No Sea Rise, Chicken Little

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/new...icles/bn9/2015/5/11/sea_rise_threatens_f.html

THE PERFESSERS ARE FULLA SHIT.

Salt water intrusion is caused by harvesting too much fresh water from the ground supply. We fixed the problem here when we built a desal plant to turn salt water into fresh water and stopped pumping fresh water from the aquifer.

Tides are caused by wind and Moon NOT water levels. The low tides aren't higher than normal.

A tropical storm passed by the city a few days ago. The winds pushed sea water toward the coast because these storms blow counter clockwise.

 

[Sean]

Apart from the fact that sea level rise is actually worse than we thought and is accelerating, you're spot on there, shit for brains!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Apart from the fact that sea level rise is actually worse than we thought and is accelerating, you're spot on there, shit for brains!

But where? Occasional street flooding from storms isn't sea rise. Low places like Venice Italy would be under water all the time. Libs insist water flows up hill.

 

[trysail]

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2014_rel4/sl_ns_global.png


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[oggbashan]

But where? Occasional street flooding from storms isn't sea rise. Low places like Venice Italy would be under water all the time. Libs insist water flows up hill.

The Aqua Alta in Venice happens more frequently and to higher levels despite all the Italian agencies have tried to do to alleviate them.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02370/venice-flood-4_2370128k.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acqua_alta


The UK Environment Agency has a policy of 'managed retreat' because it can't defend all our coastline from rising sea levels. The Thames Barrier has to be closed more often than the forecast frequency when it was built. By the end of this century it will be too low.

Sea levels are rising. The argument about WHY and whether human activity has contributed to the rise are irrelevant to the recorded increase.

Ask the Marshall Islanders:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/01/pacific-islands-climate-change

 

[trysail]

The Aqua Alta in Venice happens more frequently and to higher levels despite all the Italian agencies have tried to do to alleviate them...

...Sea levels are rising. The argument about WHY and whether human activity has contributed to the rise are irrelevant to the recorded increase.

ht tp://www.the guardian.com

Venice is not a good example because subsidence plays a not-insignificant part in its flooding.

Subsidence is, in fact, a frequent contributor in many instances that are cited as examples. That is certainly true on the East Coast of the U.S.

Propagandists conveniently forget to mention it choosing to ignore its role.

The Garudian (sic) is a particularly poor source of information on the topic because of its publicly admitted bias.

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[FGB]

OK.

I will say this about that.

Sea level rises and falls for several reasons in different places.

Take High Island, Texas for an example. When In was a little kid only Hurricanes would put water over highway 87. Today high Tide or any little storm will in places.

This is due to several things.

Huge amounts of Oil and water pumped out of the ground in the fifties, sixties & seventies. It looked like a pine tree farm of oil pumping units!

Then there is the natural ebb and flow of water level...Several thousand years ago the tide line was twenty miles inshore. Eighty thousand years ago it was around the Jasper Texas area.

Generally speaking ,YES I think sea is rising and/or some land is sinking.

If it is soon to start coming in your front door does it really matter why?

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Venice seems like a poor example for rising sea levels. I don't know about in general or other specific places but Venice is sinking so while it may be a combination of both, I don't think it is wise to use it to espouse rising levels.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Venice seems like a poor example for rising sea levels. I don't know about in general or other specific places but Venice is sinking so while it may be a combination of both, I don't think it is wise to use it to espouse rising levels.

Most of us recognize the effects of tsunami and ice, almost no one notices the ocean creep. You'd think, with all that water devouring the land rain would make things much worse.

I think a better case can be made for global warming causing women to get uglier.

 

[Que]

Those that talk about this happening in the present test are as misguided as phrodeau whining about how hot it is in Topeka on any given day. The sea MAY rise but the best guess by the most extremist alarmist is a HALF AN INCH so far.

1/2 and inch is not responsible for any of the claimed effects.

PS: Global warming has no effect on tectonic plates either so it gets no credit for earthquakes. Used to be when you had a flood you blamed it on what it was- weather.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It seems to me academia needs a cause to exploit, and global warming fills the bill where no real science exists. That is, its all perfessers have to play with in our time, and its bogus. Real science demonstrates its stuff, the bull shit is all kinda mysterious and hidden in fog. Its not like perfessers have dead whores in White Chapel and a mystery monster, they cant produce any dead whores!

 

[Que]

The problem is there is a lot of grant money if you tie it to "Climate Change" nee "Global Warming," and it is not a defined field. Lots of actual scientists have work that would be useful to understanding these complex systems, but the is not field of study that the religionists would have you believe. It is not eve known what parameters are worth studying.

If some parameter is subject to wild, non man-caused fluctuations what would be the point of studying man's minor impact on that particular piece?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The problem is there is a lot of grant money if you tie it to "Climate Change" nee "Global Warming," and it is not a defined field. Lots of actual scientists have work that would be useful to understanding these complex systems, but the is not field of study that the religionists would have you believe. It is not eve known what parameters are worth studying.

If some parameter is subject to wild, non man-caused fluctuations what would be the point of studying man's minor impact on that particular piece?

One more time. Until lately perfessers hadda tie their work to something demonstrable for the money to keep flowing. Now Party membership is what matters.

 

[oggbashan]

Venice seems like a poor example for rising sea levels. I don't know about in general or other specific places but Venice is sinking so while it may be a combination of both, I don't think it is wise to use it to espouse rising levels.

Venice was mentioned in post #3.

The Acqua Alta episodes are caused by a combination of high tide and strong wind from a particular direction funnelled by the shape of Venice's lagoon. Extraction of ground water on the mainland had caused Venice to sink, but the extraction has been reduced.

Other places are sinking or rising because of geological activity. For example, SE England, where I live, is sinking because of the last major Ice Age. The ice came within a few miles North of what is now London and the weight of the ice sheet pushed Scotland and England downwards, and the reaction pushed SE England up. The areas once covered by ice are gradually rising again, and SE England is sinking, like the other end of a see-saw.

Greenland's ice cover is shrinking. The thickness of Arctic ice is reducing. Glaciers are retreating. The average temperature of the open oceans is increasing which expands the sea water.

How much sea levels will rise, when, and how fast? I don't know. But any rise makes some particular localities more vulnerable. The individual geography might have more impact now e.g. changing shape of the immediate offshore seabed, but rising sea levels don't help.

 

[toubab]

Sea levels are always rising or falling. Nothing new. It's a cycle. Get over it.

 

[trysail]

Coral islands defy sea-level rise over the past century: Records from a central Pacific atoll

P.S. Kench, D. Thompson, M.R. Ford, H. Ogawa and R.F. McLean



Abstract

The geological stability and existence of low-lying atoll nations is threatened by sea-level rise and climate change. Funafuti Atoll, in the tropical Pacific Ocean, has experienced some of the highest rates of sea-level rise (∼5.1 ± 0.7 mm/yr), totaling ∼0.30 ± 0.04 m over the past 60 yr. We analyzed six time slices of shoreline position over the past 118 yr at 29 islands of Funafuti Atoll to determine their physical response to recent sea-level rise. Despite the magnitude of this rise, no islands have been lost, the majority have enlarged, and there has been a 7.3% increase in net island area over the past century (A.D. 1897–2013). There is no evidence of heightened erosion over the past half-century as sea-level rise accelerated. Reef islands in Funafuti continually adjust their size, shape, and position in response to variations in boundary conditions, including storms, sediment supply, as well as sea level. Results suggest a more optimistic prognosis for the habitability of atoll nations and demonstrate the importance of resolving recent rates and styles of island change to inform adaptation strategies.


ht tp://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2015/04/27/G36555.1.abstract?papetoc

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2015/04/27/G36555.1.abstract?papetoc



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[toubab]

Coral islands defy sea-level rise over the past century: Records from a central Pacific atoll

P.S. Kench, D. Thompson, M.R. Ford, H. Ogawa and R.F. McLean



Abstract

The geological stability and existence of low-lying atoll nations is threatened by sea-level rise and climate change. Funafuti Atoll, in the tropical Pacific Ocean, has experienced some of the highest rates of sea-level rise (∼5.1 ± 0.7 mm/yr), totaling ∼0.30 ± 0.04 m over the past 60 yr. We analyzed six time slices of shoreline position over the past 118 yr at 29 islands of Funafuti Atoll to determine their physical response to recent sea-level rise. Despite the magnitude of this rise, no islands have been lost, the majority have enlarged, and there has been a 7.3% increase in net island area over the past century (A.D. 1897–2013). There is no evidence of heightened erosion over the past half-century as sea-level rise accelerated. Reef islands in Funafuti continually adjust their size, shape, and position in response to variations in boundary conditions, including storms, sediment supply, as well as sea level. Results suggest a more optimistic prognosis for the habitability of atoll nations and demonstrate the importance of resolving recent rates and styles of island change to inform adaptation strategies.


ht tp://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2015/04/27/G36555.1.abstract?papetoc

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2015/04/27/G36555.1.abstract?papetoc



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Funny how that works. Mother Nature is a clever bitch.