An Honest Discussion Pt. II

[Ishmael]

A post by Toubab inspired me to try again.

His Post.

In his post he quoted Tavis Smiley who said;

"Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” PBS host Tavis Smiley said “uprisings and riots” are the “new normal” and “will happen a lot more” unless America addresses poverty in the inner city which he said is becoming a national security problem.

Smiley said, “What do we see in Baltimore and Ferguson and beyond, racism, poverty and militarism. So Poverty is clearly connected to this. My sense is that this is going to become the new normal. These kinds of uprisings and riots will happen a lot more if we can’t get serious about jobs, jobs, jobs with a living wage for all fellow citizens.”

For the most part I agree with Mr. Smiley's observation. All except that "living wage" part at the end and whether I agree or not depends on exactly what he means.

Let's start with some observations. The American urban black, and those in suburbia around large cities, are as ignorant as ignorant can be. They can barely speak intelligible English much less hold down a job that requires skill and/or communication. So it really doesn't matter if there are jobs available, they are essentially unemployable.

The reasons for the ignorance are two-fold. The first is that the public education system is an abysmal failure, especially in those blighted areas. The second is a cultural attitude. You hear comments from the pupils such as, "That's "whiteys shit, we don't need that shit." A total failure to realize that education is the ONLY way out of poverty. It doesn't seem to matter whether the people running the education system(s) are black or not.

Meanwhile the government has decided to flood the job markets with upwards of 10 million 'immigrants' who are also unskilled. But they are motivated to travel and work any job to get by. This is NOT going to play out well for the black community.

Add to that the fact that those who watch these sort of things prognosticate that upwards of 30% of the labor force are going to be replaced by robots and computers within the next 20 years. This is not good for ANYONE! Especially anyone without a serious education.

Welfare and the various social safety nets are going to change dramatically in the not to distant future. Not out of any 'meanness' on anyone's part, but out of the fiscal realities that will face the nation in the future.

And yet everyone wants to point fingers, list the problems, and no one wants to step up, speak to the problem and propose a solution, a solution that is going to take some "tough love" in order to work.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

For racist shit stains like me its a wet dream come true.

 

[toubab]

A post by Toubab inspired me to try again.

His Post.

In his post he quoted Tavis Smiley who said;

"Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” PBS host Tavis Smiley said “uprisings and riots” are the “new normal” and “will happen a lot more” unless America addresses poverty in the inner city which he said is becoming a national security problem.

Smiley said, “What do we see in Baltimore and Ferguson and beyond, racism, poverty and militarism. So Poverty is clearly connected to this. My sense is that this is going to become the new normal. These kinds of uprisings and riots will happen a lot more if we can’t get serious about jobs, jobs, jobs with a living wage for all fellow citizens.”

For the most part I agree with Mr. Smiley's observation. All except that "living wage" part at the end and whether I agree or not depends on exactly what he means.

Let's start with some observations. The American urban black, and those in suburbia around large cities, are as ignorant as ignorant can be. They can barely speak intelligible English much less hold down a job that requires skill and/or communication. So it really doesn't matter if there are jobs available, they are essentially unemployable.

The reasons for the ignorance are two-fold. The first is that the public education system is an abysmal failure, especially in those blighted areas. The second is a cultural attitude. You hear comments from the pupils such as, "That's "whiteys shit, we don't need that shit." A total failure to realize that education is the ONLY way out of poverty. It doesn't seem to matter whether the people running the education system(s) are black or not.

Meanwhile the government has decided to flood the job markets with upwards of 10 million 'immigrants' who are also unskilled. But they are motivated to travel and work any job to get by. This is NOT going to play out well for the black community.

Add to that the fact that those who watch these sort of things prognosticate that upwards of 30% of the labor force are going to be replaced by robots and computers within the next 20 years. This is not good for ANYONE! Especially anyone without a serious education.

Welfare and the various social safety nets are going to change dramatically in the not to distant future. Not out of any 'meanness' on anyone's part, but out of the fiscal realities that will face the nation in the future.

And yet everyone wants to point fingers, list the problems, and no one wants to step up, speak to the problem and propose a solution, a solution that is going to take some "tough love" in order to work.

Ishmael

Federal, state and local governments are already spending plenty of money on schools and teachers, even in places like Ferguson and Baltimore. The problems we're seeing are not because of bad schools or bad teachers. As a Baltimore teacher wrote as quoted in another of my threads, the problem is bad students. Teachers are not miracle workers.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I cant name one spot on earth niggers in charge haven't Detroited. I love it.

 

[Ishmael]

Federal, state and local governments are already spending plenty of money on schools and teachers, even in places like Ferguson and Baltimore. The problems we're seeing are not because of bad schools or bad teachers. As a Baltimore teacher wrote as quoted in another of my threads, the problem is bad students. Teachers are not miracle workers.

That is a fact, more money isn't an answer. Baltimore is spending $14,000+/pupil/yr. while turning out an inferior product. While places like Shawnee, OK spends less than $5,000/pupil/yr. and has higher SAT scores. That is pretty much the norm across the entire nation.

So you have isolated another problem and pointed out a non-solution (more money). But that gets us no closer to any real solution(s).

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Pookie, in a comment to the Ishspawn two days ago...

I find it offensive. Is Rob a racist/bigot though? I don't think so. Neither do I think you or your dad are.

Let's start with some observations. The American urban black, and those in suburbia around large cities, are as ignorant as ignorant can be. They can barely speak intelligible English much less hold down a job that requires skill and/or communication.

Would you like to revisit your position, Pooks?

This is not the first time the Serial Child Killer has mounted his soapbox to denigrate the African American race (aka #ThosePeople) as a whole.

 

[toubab]

That is a fact, more money isn't an answer. Baltimore is spending $14,000+/pupil/yr. while turning out an inferior product. While places like Shawnee, OK spends less than $5,000/pupil/yr. and has higher SAT scores. That is pretty much the norm across the entire nation.

So you have isolated another problem and pointed out a non-solution (more money). But that gets us no closer to any real solution(s).

Ishmael

The solution, if you are speaking of problems in the inner cities, and if you are speaking even more specifically about blacks in the inner cities, has to come from within the black community itself. It cannot come from elsewhere. It's time for everyone to understand and acknowledge that fact.

 

[eyer]

And yet everyone wants to point fingers, list the problems, and no one wants to step up, speak to the problem and propose a solution, a solution that is going to take some "tough love" in order to work.

Bullcrap...

...choruses of voices foretold what this nation would become, thousands have succinctly addressed the root causes that've have made the USSA the nation of men it is today.

The only solution to rebirthing a new USA is that the federal government, in every way except for the authority and responsibility the Constitution specifically empowers it with, must be completely fumigated. P. E. R. I. O. D.

And that ain't going to happen...

...until something goes really postal.

The republic is lost, only the USSA stands...

...we're on its roller coaster of death-culture ride now.

You gonna "step up" and sabotage its tracks, pops?

 

[Ishmael]

The solution, if you are speaking of problems in the inner cities, and if you are speaking even more specifically about blacks in the inner cities, has to come from within the black community itself. It cannot come from elsewhere. It's time for everyone to understand and acknowledge that fact.

Obviously that is a large part of it. LBJ's "war on poverty" resulted in the wholesale destruction of the black family unit. So there is that to deal with as well.

But that does not mean that we, as individuals, and the government don't have roles to play. In some cases taking away benefits, in other cases providing benefits based on certain behaviors.

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

Obviously that is a large part of it. LBJ's "war on poverty" resulted in the wholesale destruction of the black family unit. So there is that to deal with as well.

But that does not mean that we, as individuals, and the government don't have roles to play. In some cases taking away benefits, in other cases providing benefits based on certain behaviors.

Ishmael

That's the "white man's burden" way of looking at things.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Let's start with some observations. The American urban black, and those in suburbia around large cities, are as ignorant as ignorant can be. They can barely speak intelligible English much less hold down a job that requires skill and/or communication. So it really doesn't matter if there are jobs available, they are essentially unemployable.

I would explain to you just how offensive this is, but as an American Urban Black I am too ignorant to string a sentence together.

You really are a shitty human being.

 

[Lancecastor]

Hopefully the robots will be white?

 

[toubab]

Hopefully the robots will be white?

Damn things may replace all of us before it's over. And they'll probably be gray.

 

[Lancecastor]

Gray power!

Baby Boomer robots will result in Take It Easy by the Eagles playing ad infinitem.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I would explain to you just how offensive this is, but as an American Urban Black I am too ignorant to string a sentence together.

You really are a shitty human being.

Bottom line: Black failure is overwhelming.

 

[Ishmael]

I would explain to you just how offensive this is, but as an American Urban Black I am too ignorant to string a sentence together.

You really are a shitty human being.

There are exceptions, and you are one, but on the whole I'm correct, regardless of your taking offense. The examples are all over YouTube, in print, and now on the nightly news casts. They are ignorant, uneducated to any appreciable degree. And I hope you aren't confusing 'ignorant' with 'stupid', I'm not.

And rather than expending the time and effort being offended maybe your time would be best spent considering solutions. And I hope you do. As for me? I don't like what I see. So many wasted lives. Lives without hope, lives thinking that crime is the answer to all their woes.

I agree with Mr. Smiley about jobs being the answer. Not the entire answer, but a part of it. But the fact remains that to get a job you have to be capable of doing the job. Without education you are relegated to menial labor at best and menial labor doesn't pay very well.

Ishmael

 

[Wrong Element]

FINALLY, someone is willing to tell it like it is about the innate criminality and stupidity of black Americans! I doubt any of us would ever be exposed to these opinions if not for Ish.

 

[Ishmael]

Hopefully the robots will be white?

Maybe some president can issue a executive order ordering all robots to be painted black and then go before the public and proclaim he/she solved the black unemployment problem. It would certainly be consistent with the mind set of a LOT of politicians.

Ishmael

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

There are exceptions, and you are one, but on the whole I'm correct, regardless of your taking offense. The examples are all over YouTube, in print, and now on the nightly news casts. They are ignorant, uneducated to any appreciable degree. And I hope you aren't confusing 'ignorant' with 'stupid', I'm not.

And rather than expending the time and effort being offended maybe your time would be best spent considering solutions. And I hope you do. As for me? I don't like what I see. So many wasted lives. Lives without hope, lives thinking that crime is the answer to all their woes.

I agree with Mr. Smiley about jobs being the answer. Not the entire answer, but a part of it. But the fact remains that to get a job you have to be capable of doing the job. Without education you are relegated to menial labor at best and menial labor doesn't pay very well.

Ishmael

I should be seeking solutions? You have no idea what I do in my day to day life. Go fuck yourself and don't even attempt to speak with me again.

 

[SuprSalor]

FINALLY, someone is willing to tell it like it is about the innate criminality and stupidity of black Americans! I doubt any of us would ever be exposed to these opinions if not for Ish.

He said nothing about the "innate" and "stupidity" of black Americans. People are to quick to point fingers and yell "Racist!" whenever someone points out the obvious inequality that many urban blacks have. My thoughts are that education is the key to a decent living wage job. But the real problem starts at home. It seems as if a large, if not a majority, percentage of the urban black parents won't stress the need for a good education which can be available to anyone and instill the discipline needed. This actually goes across all racial spectrums when dealing with that type of environment.

 

[Ishmael]

I should be seeking solutions? You have no idea what I do in my day to day life. Go fuck yourself and don't even attempt to speak with me again.

So much for honest discussion then.

Ishmael

 

[BoyNextDoor]

So much for honest discussion then.

Ishmael

How about you start with your honest solution?

 

[Disgustipated]

So much for honest discussion then.

Ishmael

She was honest with you, you stupid fuck. You chose to ignore her words and that's not unexpected from you.

Anything coming from a white trash dirtball like you about urban blacks is a very unfunny joke.

You lie about patents you own and studying cancer research to try to hide the fact you're an uneducated hillbilly distilling your own hooch and drinking boxed wine.

Do fuck off and take your almost as ignorant spawn with you to hell.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There are exceptions, and you are one, but on the whole I'm correct, regardless of your taking offense. The examples are all over YouTube, in print, and now on the nightly news casts. They are ignorant, uneducated to any appreciable degree. And I hope you aren't confusing 'ignorant' with 'stupid', I'm not.

Cherry pickin' and grinnin' at it's finest.

 

[Ishmael]

As long as some want to be 'offended', I'll tell you what offends me.

The absurdly high school drop out rate in the black community and the teen pregnancies that go with it. The absurdly high percentage of single parent households in the black community. The over the top crime rate and most especially the black on black murder rate. And of course the incarceration rate among young black men that goes with the crime. And the unbelievable black unemployment rate with black teen unemployment running over 43%.

And I'm offended by jerks on the street and on TV telling me that that's all my fault.

And most especially I'm offended by the moronic assholes that come in here and call me a racist for even daring to talk about the FACTS. Not opinion, not prejudicial urban legends, but absolute FACTS that anyone who cares to can look up for themselves.

You can try to change the subject but you can't change the facts.

Ishmael