Do You Use Other Writer's Stuff?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

A while back GLYNNDAH posted a tale about a couple at a movie. Its titled SHOW ME, and worth the candle.

So I'm writing a novella about a serial killer and a homicide detective who meet inside a movie theater. The detective makes amateur porn vids, is married, and picks up young men at the movies. GLYNNDAH's story made me wonder how a gal goes about picking up guys in such a place, her characters knew each other. A girl picked me up at a football game 50 years ago, so I know how that works. (Two girls sit next to the victim, and the girl closest to him strikes up a conversation.)

Our tales are similar though most of my action happens at the concession stand and at a motel, and is part of a greater story where the detective is on the trail of the killer she's sleeping with.

 

[49greg]

I definitely use other writers stuff. Sometimes it's just a small plot device that I take, modify and use, other times it's lines. I think there's only one story that I've posted here on lit where I did that. I asked the author if I could use his idea and got no answer. So I changed it up a lot to where it's quite different, but still gave him credit.

It scored low, it is after all a cheating wife, but has the most votes that I ever got, and by far the most comments. Mostly bad.

Other than that, well there's just so many ways you can put two or more people together for rumpy-pumpy-ooo-la-la. Reading other stories and their comments does give me ideas, and I have used them.

I have another story in the works that probably won't ever get done. I got the idea from another story - an older couple get waylaid by a rapist on a walk through a wooded park, she ends up enjoying it and he gets turned on too, and that leads to her seeing other men. Mine will be very different and hubby won't like it. The main part of the story will be the two of them working out what they will do afterwards. The rape scene which I have pretty much roughed out, has hubby fighting back and getting the tar beat out of him, and is quite violent. I'm not sure it's Lit material. Anyway I doubt I will ever finish it. I have asked the author if I can use that device, but got no answer.

I've got a few lines that I've seen in old movies or read in books. I'd love to use them. One in particular is from an old Dr. Kildare movie, where he's flirting with a very sexy patient. I'll change it up a little, but hopefully someone will recognize it. I think of it as more like an homage than plagiarism.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I definitely use other writers stuff. Sometimes it's just a small plot device that I take, modify and use, other times it's lines. I think there's only one story that I've posted here on lit where I did that. I asked the author if I could use his idea and got no answer. So I changed it up a lot to where it's quite different, but still gave him credit.

It scored low, it is after all a cheating wife, but has the most votes that I ever got, and by far the most comments. Mostly bad.

Other than that, well there's just so many ways you can put two or more people together for rumpy-pumpy-ooo-la-la. Reading other stories and their comments does give me ideas, and I have used them.

I have another story in the works that probably won't ever get done. I got the idea from another story - an older couple get waylaid by a rapist on a walk through a wooded park, she ends up enjoying it and he gets turned on too, and that leads to her seeing other men. Mine will be very different and hubby won't like it. The main part of the story will be the two of them working out what they will do afterwards. The rape scene which I have pretty much roughed out, has hubby fighting back and getting the tar beat out of him, and is quite violent. I'm not sure it's Lit material. Anyway I doubt I will ever finish it. I have asked the author if I can use that device, but got no answer.

I've got a few lines that I've seen in old movies or read in books. I'd love to use them. One in particular is from an old Dr. Kildare movie, where he's flirting with a very sexy patient. I'll change it up a little, but hopefully someone will recognize it. I think of it as more like an homage than plagiarism.

Erotica is pretty nearly all generic as it exists. Two people, a bed, chair, or blanket, and some Hokey Pokey.

 

[AMoveableBeast]

Erotica is pretty nearly all generic as it exists. Two people, a bed, chair, or blanket, and some Hokey Pokey.

I can't write that stuff. I get turned around.

 

[rjordan]

The only other writers I have borrowed from are journalists, though sometimes songwriters.

News stories occasionally catch my attention and spark a story. Often just the headline is enough.

I haven't consciously used anything from another fiction writer, but I wouldn't hesitate if I had something new to say about it.

rj

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I like these more exotic kinds of plots. Personally I don't think I could carry off a 'sleeping with a serial killer' thing. That's very Tarantino and demands a certain kind of mindset I do not have.

Bu-u-t... If it's any help, I can tell you about some people I knew once: 1. an older guy, independently wealthy, cultured, had a professional photographics business background but was very multi-talented/experienced - had a part-time game fishing venture and used to be part of the 'group' that would take the late Lee Marvin black marlin fishing off Broome in Western Australia; 2. a clever and slightly opinionated younger electronics engineer, glasses, leather jacket - too well-informed to be obviously nerdy although yes, a little nerdy; the female manager of an all-night restaurant (maybe 'diner,' for the US dwellers), who made porn videos on the side.

One or two or all of them were the (case still unsolved) so-called Western Australian 'Claremont Serial Killer.' Two out of the three were interviewed by police and were kept on the 'persons of interest' final shortlist. I don't know about the female.

Electronics guy always had this idea that he knew everything there was to know about women and could chat them up and further, although I always viewed him as pushy and with an exaggerated view of his abilities - ALTHOUGH, I saw him with numerous women over several years. He was what you might say at first glance not unhandsome but a touch 'mousy' or sneaky or something, as far as I'm concerned.

The woman was brunette, good-looking in a very slightly mannish way, almost always dressed like a man but was not as far as I could tell militantly lesbian at all!

The older guy was by far the most interesting of the three and I knew him quite well. For a long time I had him down as the killer - possibly a failed self-medicating psycho or schizophrenic or whatever the technical term might be, is. He was easily among the top four or five smartest people I've ever met. Had a strange relationship with his two daughters - one refused to see him/talk to him, the other doted over him and became a top city prosecuter. And she is as mad as a hatter.

All three denied to me more than once that they ALL knew each other, whereas I'd seen them talk together at night in the diner - and they knew I had been there or should have known that but always acted oblivious to the fact of it. So we're talking middle of the night to five a.m. stuff here - daylight people not around, sometimes hardly anyone around.

The two guys had very obsessive attitudes towards the ordering of anything, coffee, tea, drinks whatever, always issuing 'instructions' as to how things should be made and delivered. But other than that they were not weird particularly, and were quite interesting to talk with.

The electronics engineer helped commission the State Police's DNA testing equipment - which I later found out was doing only what's called 'spurious testing' because the government did not want to afford the proper complete equipment and set-up and term contracts with the US-based labs.

The daughter of the older guy was in the sportscar of her rich boyfriend when it went off the road near the city river-side, killing the male occupant and leaving her with some small injuries.

The older guy's daughter was a lawyer in the same law firm one of the girls who went missing and later known to be one of the serial killer's victims, worked as a young lawyer at.

The older guy used to fish early in the morning on the jetty where the daughter of a bank chairman went off the jetty in her car in the early hours, dying.

The electronics engineer's car was the same description as the vehicle into which some of the victims were seen getting into before they went missing.

All the bodies that were found were posed, as in 'for a photograph' - according to the police.

And there are numerous other small details raising questions about the three but after twenty years now, the police seem not to be any closer at all.

I knew a local University criminologist who actually asked me what I knew about the older guy and I told him bluntly I thought he was involved; the only problem being I knew for certain the criminologist was a personal friend of the older guy but on what basis I can't be absolutely sure although it was a bit too close to be an avenue for the police to learn anything from him. And he was also involved in the commissioning of the DNA equipment, which was housed at the Uni
campus in question.

This is a smallish town when it comes to science research and research funding and late night places - which is where I guess I came across these people in the first place.

How does a female pick up a young male at say, a cinema or late night eatery?

For one thing, of my 'group of three,' the older guy was calculating and super super intelligent, not any kind of 'just your average intelligence' by any means.

Was he giving ideas and instructions to the female? Possibly. Engaging in small talk with a lone male late night is very easy to achieve. I've been told by sex shop owners that it is completely transparent what most customers' kinks are because they will repeatedly go to the same sections in the magazine racks. If a guy goes to a particularly style of late night movie, then if a female picks up on the theme of the movie in even a casual conversation things 'could' go further quite easily.

No. It's not hard to pick up a single male!

It's more surprising, in my view, to pick up someone and then suspect later that they are a serial killer!! Serial killers are bad people or crazy people and you are going to have to be extraordinarily skilful, to be able to cover over that you are really bad or really crazy - to someone who is a detective with some exposure to problematic humans and some experience of them and their psychology.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The only other writers I have borrowed from are journalists, though sometimes songwriters.

News stories occasionally catch my attention and spark a story. Often just the headline is enough.

I haven't consciously used anything from another fiction writer, but I wouldn't hesitate if I had something new to say about it.

rj

GLYNNDAHs tale is useful because I don't go to movies much... I had forgotten the word CONCESSION STAND, here its called a SNACK BAR but the other is what I was raised on. And our treatments of the same things are different. In her's two lovers go to the movie, in mine a guy goes to the movie and is picked up by a woman wanting a stud for her sex vid. The audience kinda pushes them together and the woman takes it from there to a motel.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I like these more exotic kinds of plots. Personally I don't think I could carry off a 'sleeping with a serial killer' thing. That's very Tarantino and demands a certain kind of mindset I do not have.

Bu-u-t... If it's any help, I can tell you about some people I knew once: 1. an older guy, independently wealthy, cultured, had a professional photographics business background but was very multi-talented/experienced - had a part-time game fishing venture and used to be part of the 'group' that would take the late Lee Marvin black marlin fishing off Broome in Western Australia; 2. a clever and slightly opinionated younger electronics engineer, glasses, leather jacket - too well-informed to be obviously nerdy although yes, a little nerdy; the female manager of an all-night restaurant (maybe 'diner,' for the US dwellers), who made porn videos on the side.

One or two or all of them were the (case still unsolved) so-called Western Australian 'Claremont Serial Killer.' Two out of the three were interviewed by police and were kept on the 'persons of interest' final shortlist. I don't know about the female.

Electronics guy always had this idea that he knew everything there was to know about women and could chat them up and further, although I always viewed him as pushy and with an exaggerated view of his abilities - ALTHOUGH, I saw him with numerous women over several years. He was what you might say at first glance not unhandsome but a touch 'mousy' or sneaky or something, as far as I'm concerned.

The woman was brunette, good-looking in a very slightly mannish way, almost always dressed like a man but was not as far as I could tell militantly lesbian at all!

The older guy was by far the most interesting of the three and I knew him quite well. For a long time I had him down as the killer - possibly a failed self-medicating psycho or schizophrenic or whatever the technical term might be, is. He was easily among the top four or five smartest people I've ever met. Had a strange relationship with his two daughters - one refused to see him/talk to him, the other doted over him and became a top city prosecuter. And she is as mad as a hatter.

All three denied to me more than once that they ALL knew each other, whereas I'd seen them talk together at night in the diner - and they knew I had been there or should have known that but always acted oblivious to the fact of it. So we're talking middle of the night to five a.m. stuff here - daylight people not around, sometimes hardly anyone around.

The two guys had very obsessive attitudes towards the ordering of anything, coffee, tea, drinks whatever, always issuing 'instructions' as to how things should be made and delivered. But other than that they were not weird particularly, and were quite interesting to talk with.

The electronics engineer helped commission the State Police's DNA testing equipment - which I later found out was doing only what's called 'spurious testing' because the government did not want to afford the proper complete equipment and set-up and term contracts with the US-based labs.

The daughter of the older guy was in the sportscar of her rich boyfriend when it went off the road near the city river-side, killing the male occupant and leaving her with some small injuries.

The older guy's daughter was a lawyer in the same law firm one of the girls who went missing and later known to be one of the serial killer's victims, worked as a young lawyer at.

The older guy used to fish early in the morning on the jetty where the daughter of a bank chairman went off the jetty in her car in the early hours, dying.

The electronics engineer's car was the same description as the vehicle into which some of the victims were seen getting into before they went missing.

All the bodies that were found were posed, as in 'for a photograph' - according to the police.

And there are numerous other small details raising questions about the three but after twenty years now, the police seem not to be any closer at all.

I knew a local University criminologist who actually asked me what I knew about the older guy and I told him bluntly I thought he was involved; the only problem being I knew for certain the criminologist was a personal friend of the older guy but on what basis I can't be absolutely sure although it was a bit too close to be an avenue for the police to learn anything from him. And he was also involved in the commissioning of the DNA equipment, which was housed at the Uni
campus in question.

This is a smallish town when it comes to science research and research funding and late night places - which is where I guess I came across these people in the first place.

How does a female pick up a young male at say, a cinema or late night eatery?

For one thing, of my 'group of three,' the older guy was calculating and super super intelligent, not any kind of 'just your average intelligence' by any means.

Was he giving ideas and instructions to the female? Possibly. Engaging in small talk with a lone male late night is very easy to achieve. I've been told by sex shop owners that it is completely transparent what most customers' kinks are because they will repeatedly go to the same sections in the magazine racks. If a guy goes to a particularly style of late night movie, then if a female picks up on the theme of the movie in even a casual conversation things 'could' go further quite easily.

No. It's not hard to pick up a single male!

It's more surprising, in my view, to pick up someone and then suspect later that they are a serial killer!! Serial killers are bad people or crazy people and you are going to have to be extraordinarily skilful, to be able to cover over that you are really bad or really crazy - to someone who is a detective with some exposure to problematic humans and some experience of them and their psychology.

My experience with women is, if they want you they come after you, and they have their tricks to capture you. They find reasons to sit near you, they borrow change from you, they pick you for their team, they invite you to come see their new office or apartment, they recruit you to move furniture for them. And they ease you from a public space to a private place. Some are bolder...I did marriage therapy with a couple. The wife wore no panties, sat beside her husband and let me see Paradise the whole time...hubby had no clue. I was in my bosses office one day when she stands, lifts her skirt to her waist, and adjusts her panties.

Serial killers aren't usually the dolts who get caught, theyre organized and skilled at human hunting. Mine takes the time to discover the best plan and scenario for a kill. Like....pay a guy for sex, get him intoxicated, and drown him in a Jacuzzi after the cuffs are on and snug. Knock them out with a mickey then kill them with Freon gas or diethyl ether. Its the same mindset for fucking your sister in law or mother in law. So they don't often make folks suspicious or anxious, and they operate within the noise of life.

 

[lovecraft68]

I can't write that stuff. I get turned around.

Yeah, I know, I mean like, yah know, these crazy people thinking they're writing stories on a sex site.

Oh, wait, we do write stories on a sex site. Its just some don't want to admit that, it ruins their fantasy of being "real writers"

I agree that stories that are mindless "hey, let's fuck" sex don't do it for me and many others, but they do appeal to a lot of the masses here.

Imagine those idiots, getting off on the sex in a story on literotica and not fapping to the amazing genius and sublime prose of the superior authors here.

Personally I prefer a good solid story, but with some good heat to go with it. I joke to people that "My smut has depth dammit!" I work hard on telling a story and trying to get people into the characters and I believe story and tension and conflict can make the sex even hotter.

But that is because I want the sex to be hot, I am aware of the site I write on and what people ultimately want here. I want it too...guess I'm just a pervert, a bottom feeding wannabe...I'll never be a real writer.

Good story+ good sex? Win win for all, author and reader.

But the authors who go so far out of their way to show their 'writing skills' to the point you get 90% story and 10% 'smut' and the smut is obviously there only to meet the requirement of this being an erotic site and the sex is mechanical and lifeless... well, that's an insult.

people who just want to write 'real stories' ,should drop them into non erotic or novels and novellas, but wait.... no one reads those and the egos must be stroked.

Real stories with token lifeless tab A slot B sex come off as contrived , pretentious and self masturbation, appealing only to similar writers who fap over "see what I did there, see what I accomplished"

This is an erotic site, people ultimately want sex, not Hemingway, unless of course its Hemingway having hot sex.

The only thing worse than heat less mechanical sex here just to 'qualify' is the 'look how dark and twisted I can pretend to be, aren't I cool?" crowd.

because just like the heartless sex, dark for the sake of dark screams disingenuous poser.

And some people can smell that a mile away.

I write sex stories on a sex site

I'm happy to admit that, then again I don't have the self esteem issues others have. My ego need not be stroked by readers or authors, if I wrote it the way I wanted to, for me, and no one else, its enough for me.

 

[lovecraft68]

To the topic, I can honestly say no. I am sure my stories share traits with other stories simply because its so hard to come up with a premise, scenario, spin, that hasn't been done before, but I have never set out to emulate a story or part of one.

As for type of story, Alwayswantedtoo was my inspiration to try writing mother/son stories. I had no interest in them, thinking 'jeez what the hell would make a mother sleep with her kid?(sibling incest I always saw as more possible, same age, some 'place' in life, parents should no better was my take)

But his stories....he really made the implausible seem plausible and worked hard at it. His stories were slow burns that justified the taboo and featured love as well as lust and by the time they got to the end...damn.

So when I write them I keep that in mind. I have never done his ideas(that I know of) but I try to capture the 'feel' of his work.

But on the other hand what I watch influences me.

Mark and Megan from SWB have a lot of Natural born Killers in them, they are a less psychotic version of Mickey and Mallory and just happen to be related. They are irreparably broken, are only okay when together and are bat shit crazy.

Every Dog has its day was heavily influenced by True Detective. Woody played such a misogynistic d-bag that I wanted him to die in the show(a testament to how good of a part he played) and "Josh" was based on him, a cop who was a total dick.

A book I have for sale "Dark Genesis" features a female character who is a mix of the woman from I spit on your grave and Lisbeth from Girl with a dragon tattoo.

So I have used others concepts in my work, but not other authors from here.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

To the topic, I can honestly say no. I am sure my stories share traits with other stories simply because its so hard to come up with a premise, scenario, spin, that hasn't been done before, but I have never set out to emulate a story or part of one.

As for type of story, Alwayswantedtoo was my inspiration to try writing mother/son stories. I had no interest in them, thinking 'jeez what the hell would make a mother sleep with her kid?(sibling incest I always saw as more possible, same age, some 'place' in life, parents should no better was my take)

But his stories....he really made the implausible seem plausible and worked hard at it. His stories were slow burns that justified the taboo and featured love as well as lust and by the time they got to the end...damn.

So when I write them I keep that in mind. I have never done his ideas(that I know of) but I try to capture the 'feel' of his work.

But on the other hand what I watch influences me.

Mark and Megan from SWB have a lot of Natural born Killers in them, they are a less psychotic version of Mickey and Mallory and just happen to be related. They are irreparably broken, are only okay when together and are bat shit crazy.

Every Dog has its day was heavily influenced by True Detective. Woody played such a misogynistic d-bag that I wanted him to die in the show(a testament to how good of a part he played) and "Josh" was based on him, a cop who was a total dick.

A book I have for sale "Dark Genesis" features a female character who is a mix of the woman from I spit on your grave and Lisbeth from Girl with a dragon tattoo.

So I have used others concepts in my work, but not other authors from here.

I'm not speaking of plagiarism or changing names or a few words. I mean, would you take THE OLD MAN IN THE SEA and add a female in the boat with Santiago? Or make the bishop in NOTRE DAME gay? It wouldn't be the same story even if every other word were identical to the original. WEST SIDE STORY is Romeo & Juliet.

 

[Everyday_Man]

A while back GLYNNDAH posted a tale about a couple at a movie. Its titled SHOW ME, and worth the candle.

So I'm writing a novella about a serial killer and a homicide detective who meet inside a movie theater. The detective makes amateur porn vids, is married, and picks up young men at the movies. GLYNNDAH's story made me wonder how a gal goes about picking up guys in such a place, her characters knew each other. A girl picked me up at a football game 50 years ago, so I know how that works. (Two girls sit next to the victim, and the girl closest to him strikes up a conversation.)

Our tales are similar though most of my action happens at the concession stand and at a motel, and is part of a greater story where the detective is on the trail of the killer she's sleeping with.

You know, we don't get along (at least, I think we are starting too) but I think I can really dig your style. Lovecraft suggested a story to me .... do I want to read it? Yes ... am I going too, I don't know ... I'm afraid if I do I might borrow from him ... I don't think there is anything wrong with with being inspired, so long as you put your own twist on it (everyone has had the same idea) ... but, I'm too afraid I my scenes will be to close to the source.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You know, we don't get along (at least, I think we are starting too) but I think I can really dig your style. Lovecraft suggested a story to me .... do I want to read it? Yes ... am I going too, I don't know ... I'm afraid if I do I might borrow from him ... I don't think there is anything wrong with with being inspired, so long as you put your own twist on it (everyone has had the same idea) ... but, I'm too afraid I my scenes will be to close to the source.

Many of my ideas are other ideas turned upside down or backwards.

Rachmaninoff's 18th Variation from Rhapsody On a Theme Of Paganini is simply a Paganini caprice played upside down and backwards. No sane musician calls it stolen.

See if its the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c33q87s03h4

Bach did it with Vivaldi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4naiGVyeCg&feature=related

Guilmant does Handel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZVfDq0_RM

watch her feet

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not speaking of plagiarism or changing names or a few words. I mean, would you take THE OLD MAN IN THE SEA and add a female in the boat with Santiago? Or make the bishop in NOTRE DAME gay? It wouldn't be the same story even if every other word were identical to the original. WEST SIDE STORY is Romeo & Juliet.

Nope, haven't done it from a story, like I said some Tv/movies.

Guess I'm more visual in what makes me say "Oh I could so work with that!"

 

[Everyday_Man]

Many of my ideas are other ideas turned upside down or backwards.

Rachmaninoff's 18th Variation from Rhapsody On a Theme Of Paganini is simply a Paganini caprice played upside down and backwards. No sane musician calls it stolen.

Rock-mon-in-off ... I wonder if I have him in my playlist?

(I know the name form Willie Wonka, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) ... you know, writing that line on Lit sounds wrong ...

 

[LuckyGuy96]

A while back GLYNNDAH posted a tale about a couple at a movie. Its titled SHOW ME, and worth the candle.

So I'm writing a novella about a serial killer and a homicide detective who meet inside a movie theater. The detective makes amateur porn vids, is married, and picks up young men at the movies. GLYNNDAH's story made me wonder how a gal goes about picking up guys in such a place, her characters knew each other. A girl picked me up at a football game 50 years ago, so I know how that works. (Two girls sit next to the victim, and the girl closest to him strikes up a conversation.)

Our tales are similar though most of my action happens at the concession stand and at a motel, and is part of a greater story where the detective is on the trail of the killer she's sleeping with.

Being derivative is only natural. Music, movies, writing... all derivatives. In my opinion, what sets music, movies, and writing apart from similar works in the genre is the honest voice and delivery of new ideas.

 

[Everyday_Man]

Being derivative is only natural. Music, movies, writing... all derivatives. In my opinion, what sets music, movies, and writing apart from similar works in the genre is the honest voice and delivery of new ideas.

You know, I like what you said, so I'm not arguing with you ... but I think people like the difference versions, happy endings, sad endings, different things said and the different outcomes ... it's like the the 'What if' comic books.

 

[LuckyGuy96]

You know, I like what you said, so I'm not arguing with you ... but I think people like the difference versions, happy endings, sad endings, different things said and the different outcomes ... it's like the the 'What if' comic books.

I like this -- and agree. Thanks for responding!

 

[Katiecat]

Erotica is pretty nearly all generic as it exists. Two people, a bed, chair, or blanket, and some Hokey Pokey.

I can't write that stuff. I get turned around.

Yeah, I know, I mean like, yah know, these crazy people thinking they're writing stories on a sex site.

Oh, wait, we do write stories on a sex site. Its just some don't want to admit that, it ruins their fantasy of being "real writers"

I'm not sure, but I think that comment was just a hokey pokey joke...not a condemnation or denial of our collective literary smut...

Other than that...I agree with much of the rest of your post. =)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

PILOT will be in soon to demand you retract every comment posted in English because you plagiarized the alphabet.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not sure, but I think that comment was just a hokey pokey joke...not a condemnation or denial of our collective literary smut...

Other than that...I agree with much of the rest of your post. =)

It was sort of tongue in cheek, sort of real. I just feel at the end of the day some people try to delude themselves about what venue we are writing on, which is an erotica site.

So when people remark, "they can't stand those 'just sex' stories' I think they come across as a little too 'high brow'

As I admitted pure stroke stories don't do it for me personally, but they do it for many and as far as I am concerned, have at them. I won't denigrate the people who read or write them.

 

[lovecraft68]

PILOT will be in soon to demand you retract every comment posted in English because you plagiarized the alphabet.

The alphabet he helped create back when he flew pterodactyls for the stone age secret service.

 

[Everyday_Man]

Many of my ideas are other ideas turned upside down or backwards.

Rachmaninoff's 18th Variation from Rhapsody On a Theme Of Paganini is simply a Paganini caprice played upside down and backwards. No sane musician calls it stolen.

See if its the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c33q87s03h4

Bach did it with Vivaldi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4naiGVyeCg&feature=related

Guilmant does Handel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZVfDq0_RM

watch her feet

that was over an hour of my time ... but well spent.

 

[AMoveableBeast]

I'm not sure, but I think that comment was just a hokey pokey joke...not a condemnation or denial of our collective literary smut...

Other than that...I agree with much of the rest of your post. =)

This.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The alphabet he helped create back when he flew pterodactyls for the stone age secret service.

He needs to serve on a president debate panel. He'd ask questions like, DID YOU WALK TO SCHOOL?