Conservatives can NEVER answer this... if your child needs a liver transplant...

[LJ_Reloaded]

If your kid needs a $250,000 liver transplant and your insurance company refuses you, 95% of Conservatives won't have the money to save their child's life. Not even if they sell their house.

Of course everyone here will claim they're closely related to the Koch brothers and they could afford to fly their kids to the hospital in one of their five custom designed Gulfstream jets, but seriously. I mean the real 95% of the populace, Conservative or otherwise.

If the government offers them welfare money to save their kid's life, they're gonna take it. Why? Because there is no option #3. If your kid needs a liver transplant they're gonna be long dead before your Gofundme quest is finished, and few churches out there have the cash to make that happen in short order.

If you ain't got the cash, you're taking welfare aid. Period. There is no option #3. Take the weflare or bury your kid.

And that, folks, is how a Democrat is made.

 

[Assologist]

Your question is based on the false premise that there is only one option- taking the government money. These scenarios happen fairly frequently, and most people faced with something like this find that there is private charitable aid, money from relatives and friends, funding via social media campaigns, corporate donations, faith based charities, funds from second mortgages, funds from small investment accounts, bake sales, car washes, etc. etc. It is never a requirement that the initial medical costs be paid in full up front. People usually take years to pay, and some seek bankruptcy protection.

As for your signature- since you actually put that in print- about Chris Kyle being a mass murderer, a racist, and a psychopath- Kyle was a Navy SEAL who was deployed to protect Marines and Soldiers at war, and he was extremely effective at it. By killing ONLY armed opposition to the American troops, Chris Kyle was an American Hero. That you could actually declare in print he was those things, while celebrating his murder at the hands of the psychopath Eddie Ray Routh, whom he was attempting to help, speaks volumes to your lack of sanity, and your frame of reference as a true radical.

 

[GiggLeGasm]

One of my very first patients was a little 9 month old girl named Flomarie. She was in liver failure and had only left the hospital for 2 weeks of her entire short life. By the time I met her, she needed to have a liter of fluid removed from her body every other day so that she could still breath because her body was processing so little waste independently. They did this by puncturing her side and inserting something like a little straw.. it had to be so painful for her.

When we gave her medications, and there were many, they went into a feeding tube with the smallest amount of water possible. She didn't have room in her belly for too much.

She had the brightest smile you could ever want to see.. big, round, dark brown eyes that could light up your entire day. When she would laugh, her mouth would open in a perfect little heart-shaped eruption of bubbling joy. When she slept, the peaceful look of true contentment would settle upon her. She had a full head of silky black hair that she would play with in two of her fingers while she sat cradled in her mother's lap.

And her parents were the so gracious. they trusted, shared their fear and sadness, allowed us to witness their moments of joy with their dying child. Sometimes they would need us to hold them... while they held her. They were determined to celebrate her life, knowing that it was almost over. For Flomarie's short, beautiful life, they lived as a family in the room across from the nurse's station, going home to work, clean their clothing, and maintain whatever their extended family could't help with.

I'm sure the financial cost was more than I could practically perceive; but so was their human struggle.

 

[duranman]

Thank the Lord for the British NHS I say....

 

[PrincepsCyberius]

Two Fallacies.

Introduction -- Truth: As a disinterested observer, but a lover of truth, I'll note that there are at least two fallacies in this argument, one rhetorical and the other logical.

Rhetorical fallacy -- The Straw-man: As an attorney and an educator, I deal regularly with people from all parts of the political and ideological spectra. I do not know a single conservative who would begrudge government intervention to the tune of $250,000 to save a child's life. It happens all the time in even the most conservative places with the blessing of conservative leaders. How much do you think it costs, say, to save a trapped child from an abandoned mine shaft or an old well? Your argument is simply based on a false premise and, therefore, a nullity.

Logical fallacy -- False Dichotomy: Given that the first premise renders your entire argument a nullity, it hardly seems necessary, but I'll point out that it is also based on a false dichotomy. In reality in a situation like this, there are regularly more than two options: private charity, loans, teaching hospitals, etc. While I'm sure you are right, that all but the psychopathically libertarian would accept government assistance before allowing any child to die, I know people who would, out of there own sense of propriety and pride, explore those other options before going "on the dole."​

Conclusion: Illogical Equals Illegitimate: You do a disservice to your end of the political spectrum by making intellectually vacuous arguments like this. Unfortunately, I see this more and more in politics, primarily (although certainly not exclusively) from the Left. This lack of valid political discourse from the Left may be one reason why the Right appears to be in ascendance of late. Next time, don't embarrass yourself and your point of view by making such a transparently fallacious argument.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Your question is based on the false premise that there is only one option- taking the government money. These scenarios happen fairly frequently, and most people faced with something like this find that there is private charitable aid, money from relatives and friends, funding via social media campaigns, corporate donations, faith based charities, funds from second mortgages, funds from small investment accounts, bake sales, car washes, etc. etc. It is never a requirement that the initial medical costs be paid in full up front. People usually take years to pay, and some seek bankruptcy protection.

Perhaps, then, you'd like to explain how Nataline Sarkisyan died?

Oh yeah, because
nothing of what you said is actually true.

As for your signature- since you actually put that in print- about Chris Kyle being a mass murderer, a racist, and a psychopath- Kyle was a Navy SEAL who was deployed to protect Marines and Soldiers at war, and he was extremely effective at it. By killing ONLY armed opposition to the American troops, Chris Kyle was an American Hero. That you could actually declare in print he was those things, while celebrating his murder at the hands of the psychopath Eddie Ray Routh, whom he was attempting to help, speaks volumes to your lack of sanity, and your frame of reference as a true radical.

I'm glad that murderous, racist fuck Chris Kyle is dead.

That you support him says you're a fucking psychopath as well. Or at least a chickenshit enabler.

America was an invading force in Iraq. You know what Americans would do if Iraqis invaded us... right? Oh, don't even bother sputtering out an answer, coward, you've got nothing to say to that.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

blah blah blah

You have no actual counter argument, dude. My point stands.

 

[BotanyBoy]

America was an invading force in Iraq. You know what Americans would do if Iraqis invaded us... right?

That doesn't make what he said untrue.....you hysterical fuckin' retard.

 

[Bonafide_Blonde]

Thank the Lord for the British NHS I say....

I agree. I was there and the British NHS totally took excellent care of a medical emergency. It was amazing -- they never even asked for an insurance card or any money. (I did offer to pay and eventually I and Blue Cross did pay them but only a fraction of what it would have cost at home.)

I am confused by the original poster here. I agree with many things he says, but I don't get the Chris Kyle thing. And yes, I also agree we had no business killing people in Iraq either. I guess I am a dichotomy as well. These are complex issues for one thread.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I agree. I was there and the British NHS totally took excellent care of a medical emergency. It was amazing -- they never even asked for an insurance card or any money. (I did offer to pay and eventually I and Blue Cross did pay them but only a fraction of what it would have cost at home.)

I am confused by the original poster here. I agree with many things he says, but I don't get the Chris Kyle thing. And yes, I also agree we had no business killing people in Iraq either. I guess I am a dichotomy as well. These are complex issues for one thread.

Yea unfortunately the right wing of America insist that we pay 3x as much for shittier health care....because freedom, and fiscal responsibility. Don't ask I haven't a clue as to their reasons for such fucking stupid but they insist on pay more to get less.

The Chris Kyle thing is purely LJ's hatred of the military because partisan stupid.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

That doesn't make what he said untrue.....you hysterical fuckin' retard.

Yes it does, you knuckle dragging oxygen thief. Chris Kyle was an invader. If he were an Iraqi sniping people in the US we'd have nuked his ass and his home country.

 

[Assologist]

Introduction -- Truth: As a disinterested observer, but a lover of truth, I'll note that there are at least two fallacies in this argument, one rhetorical and the other logical.

Rhetorical fallacy -- The Straw-man: As an attorney and an educator, I deal regularly with people from all parts of the political and ideological spectra. I do not know a single conservative who would begrudge government intervention to the tune of $250,000 to save a child's life. It happens all the time in even the most conservative places with the blessing of conservative leaders. How much do you think it costs, say, to save a trapped child from an abandoned mine shaft or an old well? Your argument is simply based on a false premise and, therefore, a nullity.

Logical Premise -- False Dichotomy: Given that the first premise renders your entire argument a nullity, it hardly seems necessary, but I'll point out that it is also based on a false dichotomy. In reality in a situation like this, there are regularly more than two options: private charity, loans, teaching hospitals, etc. While I'm sure you are right, that all but the psychopathically libertarian would accept government assistance before allowing any child to die, I know people who would, out of there own sense of propriety and pride, explore those other options before going "on the dole."​

Conclusion: Illogical Equals Illegitimate: You do a disservice to your end of the political spectrum by making intellectually vacuous arguments like this. Unfortunately, I see this more and more in politics, primarily (although certainly not exclusively) from the Left. This lack of valid political discourse from the Left may be one reason why the Right appears to be in ascendance of late. Next time, don't embarrass yourself and your point of view by making such a transparently fallacious argument.

Well stated.

 

[Assologist]

That doesn't make what he said untrue.....you hysterical fuckin' retard.

Exactly.

 

[Assologist]

I agree. I was there and the British NHS totally took excellent care of a medical emergency. It was amazing -- they never even asked for an insurance card or any money. (I did offer to pay and eventually I and Blue Cross did pay them but only a fraction of what it would have cost at home.)

I am confused by the original poster here. I agree with many things he says, but I don't get the Chris Kyle thing. And yes, I also agree we had no business killing people in Iraq either. I guess I am a dichotomy as well. These are complex issues for one thread.

BB has a good point- the duality of man... One can be against the war, AND for the troops' well being.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes it does, you knuckle dragging oxygen thief. Chris Kyle was an invader. If he were an Iraqi sniping people in the US we'd have nuked his ass and his home country

That has nothing to do with what his job was and the fact that he did it.....you're wrong, now suck on that and enjoy your wrongness.

 

[Assologist]

I'm glad that murderous, racist fuck Chris Kyle is dead.

That you support him says you're a fucking psychopath as well. Or at least a chickenshit enabler.

America was an invading force in Iraq. You know what Americans would do if Iraqis invaded us... right? Oh, don't even bother sputtering out an answer, coward, you've got nothing to say to that.

I'm sorry, did you say something...(yawn)

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

That has nothing to do with what his job was and the fact that he did it.....you're wrong, now suck on that and enjoy your wrongness.

I'm 100% flawlessly right. Period. Suck on that you little bitch.

Chris Kyle's job was being a racist invading shithead and he died a pathetic racist shithead.

CHRIS KYLE IS DEAD HOORAYYYYYYYYYY
http://i.imgur.com/IRwi6X9.jpg

I'm right, he's dead, I'm right, he's dead, I'm right, he's dead, I'm right, he's dead, suck it bitch

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm sorry, did you say something...(yawn)

Close your ears and run away you little bitch.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm 100% flawlessly right. Period. Suck on that you little bitch.

No I'm sorry...you were wrong as wrong can be.

Chris Kyle's job was being a racist invading shithead and he died a pathetic racist shithead.

I'm right, he's dead, I'm right, he's dead, I'm right, he's dead, I'm right, he's dead, suck it bitch

You're entitled to your opnions....but that doesn't change the fact he did what he did, no matter how badly you want it otherwise.

Besides what's wrong with invading? Shit's fun.

 

[Ishmael]

Typical LT, start a stupid thread, gets his ass handed to him, then posts a screen stretcher with some stupid ass comment.

Aside from the rhetorical and logical errors in your post there is one more to be addressed;

What gives anyone the moral right to demand that your neighbor pays for your personal dilemma at the point of a gun? That's exactly what you are doing when you demand that the taxpayer foot your medical bills. That is not charity, either direct or by proxy, it's armed robbery.

Ishmael

 

[Conager]

No I'm sorry...you were wrong as wrong can be.



You're entitled to your opnions....but that doesn't change the fact he did what he did, no matter how badly you want it otherwise.

Besides what's wrong with invading? Shit's fun.

I smiled.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Typical LT, start a stupid thread, gets his ass handed to him, then posts a screen stretcher with some stupid ass comment.

Aside from the rhetorical and logical errors in your post there is one more to be addressed;

What gives anyone the moral right to demand that your neighbor pays for your personal dilemma at the point of a gun? That's exactly what you are doing when you demand that the taxpayer foot your medical bills. That is not charity, either direct or by proxy, it's armed robbery.

Ishmael

No it's not, it's called social responsibility.... just because you want to live in a 3rd world shit hole doesn't mean the rest of us want to turn the US into one for you.

^^ self contradiction at it's finest......talks about limited government, but won't move to a place where there is one because every singe one of them is a shit hole and most importantly, because he want a huge massive controlling government.....just his favored version of it.

Talks about fiscal responsibility/conservatism.....happy to pay 2.7x the price tag for an inferior product, to prove a political point. You're a true testament to your kind of scum Ish....

I smiled.

It would be a lot funnier if we started to get something other than a GOP defense contract for our efforts though....like some god damn oil or something.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

No I'm sorry...you were wrong as wrong can be.



You're entitled to your opnions....but that doesn't change the fact he did what he did, no matter how badly you want it otherwise.

Besides what's wrong with invading? Shit's fun.

You belong in an insane asylum.

And he did what he did - which was DIE. At the hands of an unstable man that only a fucking idiot would bring to a gun range. HE DIED LIKE THE IDIOT HE WAS.

Darwin Award, baby.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You belong in an insane asylum.

Medical professionals say otherwise so I'm running around the woods with high powered weaponry.......looking for cartels to fuck with

You really enjoy just being wrong as a pig fucker don't you?

And he did what he did - which was DIE. At the hands of an unstable man that only a fucking idiot would bring to a gun range. HE DIED LIKE THE IDIOT HE WAS.

Darwin Award, baby.

Your opinions don't change the fact nutty buddy.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Medical professionals say otherwise...you really enjoy just being wrong as a pig fucker don't you?



Your opinions don't change the fact nutty buddy.

What, are you saying he didn't die?
Are you saying he didn't bring a mentally unstable guy to a gun range?
Are you saying that same dude didn't kill him after he brought him to the gun range?

I'm flawlessly right, dude. If you think I'm wrong, go talk to Chris Kyle. Oh wait, he's dead. Nevermind! I'm right again!

Now keep alert, those men in white jackets are looking for you.