These feminists need to be running the feminist movement, not the current leaders.

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://feignedaffections.tumblr.com/post/116524099985/alright-antifems

Click the link to see the entire thread. These are the kinds of feminists that I absolutely adore.

 

[eyer]

DO NOT CLICK that link, folks...

...it's just a collage of LJ selfies jerkin' it to Saved by the Bell reruns.

 

[badbabysitter]

actually, I'm curious... who are the leaders of the feminist movement?

 

[DesEsseintes]

actually, I'm curious... who are the leaders of the feminist movement?

You missed the vote too? I love these crumbs LJ occasionally drops from the High Table of Global Feminism. I imagine him holding Camille Paglia and Germaine Greer enthralled with his tales of derring-do against the evil velvet fist of patriarchy.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You missed the vote too? I love these crumbs LJ occasionally drops from the High Table of Global Feminism. I imagine him holding Camille Paglia and Germaine Greer enthralled with his tales of derring-do against the evil velvet fist of patriarchy.

The feminists who have actual political power are the ones running the movement.

These simplest and most obvious things soar over the average Litster's head.....

 

[badbabysitter]

The feminists who have actual political power are the ones running the movement.

These simplest and most obvious things soar over the average Litster's head.....

that's not an answer

name them

I'm actually curious who these leaders, all snark aside, I want to know who the MRA think the leaders of the feminist are

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

that's not an answer

It is an answer.

name them

I'm actually curious who these leaders, all snark aside, I want to know who the MRA think the leaders of the feminist are

Ah, let's see

The National Organization for Women, which opposes joint custody and advocates for a lot of other radical bullshit

Anita Sarkeesian, whose fraudulent sexism tropes bullshit is now talking over anyone who opposes her

The Duluth Model project, which defines domestic violence as something only men do - and it's the de facto law of the land

The feminist groups that fight to protect paternity fraud
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-02-paternity-usat_x.htm

The feminist groups who kept it legal for women to rape men in the US and India

The feminist groups that disrupt men's rights seminars in your home country
http://metronews.ca/news/ottawa/1000093/protesters-shut-down-u-of-o-professors-mens-rights-talk/

And the feminists who disrupt battered men meetings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

The feminists who control the mainstream discourse and spread endless megatons of lies about men's rights and who face no counter message in the mainstream media whatsoever
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/jewelry-party/2755299
http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have
http://www.cracked.com/funny-8503-mens-rights/
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/
http://www.splcenter.org/
http://time.com/134152/the-toxic-appeal-of-the-mens-rights-movement/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theriault-/elliot-rodger-shooting_b_5386818.html

Note that all opposition to these groups above are underground websites with no mainstream media presence

Is that enough names and organizations for you or do you want to move the goalposts now and say I didn't answer you or some similarly deluded chickenshit bullshit?

 

[DesEsseintes]

It is an answer.


Ah, let's see

The National Organization for Women, which opposes joint custody and advocates for a lot of other radical bullshit

Anita Sarkeesian, whose fraudulent sexism tropes bullshit is now talking over anyone who opposes her

The Duluth Model project, which defines domestic violence as something only men do - and it's the de facto law of the land

The feminist groups that fight to protect paternity fraud
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-02-paternity-usat_x.htm

The feminist groups who kept it legal for women to rape men in the US and India

The feminist groups that disrupt men's rights seminars in your home country
http://metronews.ca/news/ottawa/1000093/protesters-shut-down-u-of-o-professors-mens-rights-talk/

And the feminists who disrupt battered men meetings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

The feminists who control the mainstream discourse and spread endless megatons of lies about men's rights and who face no counter message in the mainstream media whatsoever
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/jewelry-party/2755299
http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have
http://www.cracked.com/funny-8503-mens-rights/
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/
http://www.splcenter.org/
http://time.com/134152/the-toxic-appeal-of-the-mens-rights-movement/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theriault-/elliot-rodger-shooting_b_5386818.html

Note that all opposition to these groups above are underground websites with no mainstream media presence

Is that enough names and organizations for you or do you want to move the goalposts now and say I didn't answer you or some similarly deluded chickenshit bullshit?

I'm a feminist, and I haven't heard of any of these people. Seems to me you've been chilling with the wrong feminists, LJ.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm a feminist, and I haven't heard of any of these people. Seems to me you've been chilling with the wrong feminists, LJ.

The National Organization for Women?

You've never heard of them?

In any case there are good feminists out there and I make it a point to post about them.

 

[badbabysitter]

It is an answer.


Ah, let's see

The National Organization for Women, which opposes joint custody and advocates for a lot of other radical bullshit

they oppose laws that would make the primary money maker to be the guardian and prefers the primary caregiver to do so./.. that's not "radical" that's common sense

Anita Sarkeesian, whose fraudulent sexism tropes bullshit is now talking over anyone who opposes her

how exactly are her tropes fraudulent... and how exactly is she talking over people who oppose her... give an example....her having an opinion does not she's talking over anyone

The Duluth Model project, which defines domestic violence as something only men do - and it's the de facto law of the land

the Duluth model is not a leader.. a leader implies a person of organization

The feminist groups that fight to protect paternity fraud
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-02-paternity-usat_x.htm

one...no feminist organization is named... two... the article is thirteen years old... why not give us an update

The feminist groups who kept it legal for women to rape men in the US and India

you mean the imaginary ones? and are you going to keep lying about India?

The feminist groups that disrupt men's rights seminars in your home country
http://metronews.ca/news/ottawa/1000093/protesters-shut-down-u-of-o-professors-mens-rights-talk/

And the feminists who disrupt battered men meetings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

how are they leaders? never heard of them

The feminists who control the mainstream discourse and spread endless megatons of lies about men's rights and who face no counter message in the mainstream media whatsoever
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/jewelry-party/2755299
http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have
http://www.cracked.com/funny-8503-mens-rights/
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/
http://www.splcenter.org/
http://time.com/134152/the-toxic-appeal-of-the-mens-rights-movement/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theriault-/elliot-rodger-shooting_b_5386818.html

omg... its the right wing mainstream media myth...too funny...." we're the victims, we never lie"

Note that all opposition to these groups above are underground websites with no mainstream media presence

AvoiceforMen is an underground website? the leader has appeared on 20/20, Fox News, the BBC, the CBC...that's not underground

Is that enough names and organizations for you or do you want to move the goalposts now and say I didn't answer you or some similarly deluded chickenshit bullshit?

it was one name... two groups.. and you didnt actually prove any of your points

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

It is an answer.


Ah, let's see



they oppose laws that would make the primary money maker to be the guardian and prefers the primary caregiver to do so./.. that's not "radical" that's common sense

http://ancpr.com/2006/03/28/now-ny-speaks-on-joint-custody-bill/
NOW NYS has always favored primary caregiver presumption legislation to ensure stability and continuity of care for children.

What is the primary caregiver presumption? Why, that's the Tender Years Doctrine, that fine piece of FEMINIST legal fiction that says the mother is the presumed most fit caregiver for the child.

how exactly are her tropes fraudulent... and how exactly is she talking over people who oppose her... give an example....her having an opinion does not she's talking over anyone

Male power fantasy... fraudulent.
Female objectification... hypocritical. (Men in games get objectified, too, and unlike females, males get slaughtered by the truckload. And if women were making games, it would be exactly the same.)
TONS of cherry picked examples (ignoring BIG and highly popular egalitarian examples like Mass Effect and Elder Scrolls)
Plus she said she admitted she didn't even play a lot of the games she critiqued.

the Duluth model is not a leader.. a leader implies a person of organization

It is a leader because it is a standard setter. And it is also an organization. It even has a website - duluthmodel.org.

So far we have three named organizations.

one...no feminist organization is named... two... the article is thirteen years old... why not give us an update

Why should I? The article is credible enough, unless you want to dismiss USA Today as a right wing rag like you do everything else. Hell, you believe Anita Sarkeesian without a second thought...

you mean the imaginary ones? and are you going to keep lying about India?

I'm not lying about India. I already cited this for you.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...er-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

http://kafila.org/2013/03/08/gender-just-gender-sensitive-not-gender-neutral-rape-laws/

how are they leaders? never heard of them

They are leaders because they control the popular discourse concerning sexism. Counter voices rarely or never get air time against this bunch.

omg... its the right wing mainstream media myth...too funny...." we're the victims, we never lie"

Oh, please. The PLUTOCRATS have just as much unopposed power as the feminists. You guys ARE like the right wingers. Look how y'all demonized Gamergate. Oh that's a GREAT example of how much power feminists have - the death threats and ugliness thrown at Gamergate gets no press at all. You have feminists saying kill gamers and that they'll drown their own gamer children and nobody in the media talks about that except Gamergate.
http://i.imgur.com/bR54Lsa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eur3Jsq.jpg
^^^ this is proof that feminists have all the power in the media. Ever notice how these people never got censured or even talked about except by the anti-feminist Tumblr/Twitter underground?

Then there's the death threats by feminists against 10 year old boys. That never got any press.
http://i.imgur.com/ksuIjO0.jpg

AvoiceforMen is an underground website? the leader has appeared on 20/20, Fox News, the BBC, the CBC...that's not underground

Ah you found ONE counter example. I bet you think it outweighs all the other examples I posted.

Again, challenge accepted and met.

 

[badbabysitter]

http://ancpr.com/2006/03/28/now-ny-speaks-on-joint-custody-bill/
NOW NYS has always favored primary caregiver presumption legislation to ensure stability and continuity of care for children.

What is the primary caregiver presumption? Why, that's the Tender Years Doctrine, that fine piece of FEMINIST legal fiction that says the mother is the presumed most fit caregiver for the child.

you know who else agrees with this> the AMA, the APA, and most divorce lawyers

did you even know that in between 80 to 90% of cases, the father doesnt even vie for custody

so why should the courts side with someone who 80 to 90% of the time doesnt even want the kid in the first place.. it's called precedent.. it's how the law works.. why it certainly isnt fair to 10 to 20% of men that actually want thier kids ( who by the way typically gain custody 50% of the time)

Male power fantasy... fraudulent.

bullshit...it's the conrerstone of most games.... why does God of War have a muscle bound kick ass superguy, instead of Martin Short.... because players want to be the badass, not the guy that works at the dry cleaners

unless you can show me that joe everyman and joe kickasssuperstud are treated equally in gaming... then your arguement falls flat

Female objectification... hypocritical.

In a COD game , one of the multiplayer missions involves a rescuing a damsel in distress.. who is used literally as an object...it's not a man in distress, the woman has no lines.. she is literally an object

(Men in games get objectified,

too, and unlike females, males get slaughtered by the truckload.[/QUOTE]

its male power fantasy fufillment.. kill the bad guys rawwwwwwwrrrrrr I'm a studdddd rawwwwrrrrrrrr

And if women were making games, it would be exactly the same.)

but women are, and they're not... ever played Portal... how many people died in that.. and you're playing as a woman too



Women are making games for one.. you should know about a couple of them at least, you jumped on the badwagon of the lies and attacks on Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn

TONS of cherry picked examples (ignoring BIG and highly popular egalitarian examples like Mass Effect and Elder Scrolls)

which she actually does adress.. but you're getting your talking points about her from the MRA and gamergate which has no interest in actually learning facts

Plus she said she admitted she didn't even play a lot of the games she critiqued.

but she is on record stating that she watched those same games being played, I watch my hubby all the time play his games... does this mea if my hands arent on the controller I cant have an opinion?

but you'll take as gospel on video games Christina Hoff Summers who by her own admission...has never played a video game in her life

It is a leader because it is a standard setter. And it is also an organization. It even has a website - duluthmodel.org.

it has a website.. i can give you bread websites.. bread are also not people or a movement

So far we have three named organizations.

you named NOW, Anita Sarkeesian, and a website

Why should I? The article is credible enough, unless you want to dismiss USA Today as a right wing rag like you do everything else. Hell, you believe Anita Sarkeesian without a second thought...

dude, you dont believe Anita Sarkeesian without a second thought.. in fact, Sarkeesian wouldnt even be considered a figure if she hadnt been attacked in the first place.. you dont want a woman with a different opinion then you getting popular.. then go on a rant on ever gamergate and MRA site around and tell them to stop sending threats and posting libel about them

I'm not lying about India. I already cited this for you.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...er-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

did you even read the article.. its about trying to ensure women that are victims of sexual assault dont get prosecuted for the crime... sheesh... how exactly is this a bad thing?

http://kafila.org/2013/03/08/gender-just-gender-sensitive-not-gender-neutral-rape-laws/

and the second one kind of glosses over that it's still legal to rape a woman if she's your wife and over the age of 15... that's awesome of them

speaking of India... why have you not posted anything about sections 376 and 377 which make it illegal for two consenting men to have sex with each other

I've asked you this before and you've never responded... or do male rights only apply to straight men?

They are leaders because they control the popular discourse concerning sexism. Counter voices rarely or never get air time against this bunch.

a law in India which allows you to rape your wife, and forbids men to be gay... is not a feminist leader or movement

Oh, please. The PLUTOCRATS have just as much unopposed power as the feminists. You guys ARE like the right wingers. Look how y'all demonized Gamergate. Oh that's a GREAT example of how much power feminists have - the death threats and ugliness thrown at Gamergate gets no press at all.

mainly because most of it's been shown to be people being mean on the internet, and not death and rape threats, massacre threats, detailed plans to murder people, hacking websites, distributing information illegal... shit the list goes on... but please...show me some random mean words on the internet... gamergate wouldnt have a shitty reputation if it didnt do shitty things on a constant basis

Again, challenge accepted and met.

not even fucking remotely


if you got stabbed in the eye , you'd declare victory because you didnt get stabbed in the other

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Badbabysitter and LT, are you two secretly dating? You seem to really enjoy arguing with each other and I can imagine you occasionally logging off to fuck.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

you know who else agrees with this> the AMA, the APA, and most divorce lawyers

did you even know that in between 80 to 90% of cases, the father doesnt even vie for custody

so why should the courts side with someone who 80 to 90% of the time doesnt even want the kid in the first place.. it's called precedent.. it's how the law works.. why it certainly isnt fair to 10 to 20% of men that actually want thier kids ( who by the way typically gain custody 50% of the time)

It's also called prejudice. Men win 50% of the time now because divorce lawyers worked hard to strike down the Tender Years Doctrine. Doesn't sound like they agree with the bullshit you just spouted.

bullshit...it's the conrerstone of most games.... why does God of War have a muscle bound kick ass superguy, instead of Martin Short.... because players want to be the badass, not the guy that works at the dry cleaners

The same reason why they have badass women. Red Sonja in a chainmail bikini = objectification, Conan in loincloth = not objectification because of some phony theory called "male power"? This is why Anita Sarkeesian is out of her mind.

unless you can show me that joe everyman and joe kickasssuperstud are treated equally in gaming... then your arguement falls flat

No, my argument stands regardless. Male characters die in games by the thousands in any given battle situation, women characters don't.

In a COD game , one of the multiplayer missions involves a rescuing a damsel in distress.. who is used literally as an object...it's not a man in distress, the woman has no lines.. she is literally an object

So? A lot of men DIE rescuing these women. I'd rather be objectified than deemed expendable.

Women don't go on rescue missions for men, ESPECIALLY male strangers in video games. Female developers don't write games like that any more than male developers do. If you ever see a woman character rescuing a male stranger in a game, get a lottery ticket. They also almost never do that in real life, either. Women rescuing male strangers is an absolute rarity in any culture, in any time in history.

The exceptions to this are pretty close to extinct-in-the-wild but what few there are, are notable: you can play a female in Mass Effect or Elder Scrolls and save a lot of male strangers along the way.

Let me repeat this for you: it is better to be objectified than to be deemed expendable. Games depict men as expendable just as surely as they deem women as objects.

its male power fantasy fufillment.. kill the bad guys rawwwwwwwrrrrrr I'm a studdddd rawwwwrrrrrrrr

That's bullshit. Nobody has any problems plowing through females in Mass Effect or Elder Scrolls. Male power fantasy is also bullshit again, because




wait for it




female gamers like to mash through piles of enemies, too!!

But that's not called female power fantasy because you'd be blaspheming the great Anita Sarkeesian

Women are making games for one.. you should know about a couple of them at least, you jumped on the badwagon of the lies and attacks on Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn

Their games sucked. And FYI there were many female developers before these two.

which she actually does adress.. but you're getting your talking points about her from the MRA and gamergate which has no interest in actually learning facts

She doesn't address the fact that there are super popular games that CONTRADICT her bullshit theories.

but she is on record stating that she watched those same games being played, I watch my hubby all the time play his games... does this mea if my hands arent on the controller I cant have an opinion?

She only catches snippets.

And she admitted to not even being a gamer as late as 2010. She's not even a fan of videogames.

She's like Fox News trying to get up to speed on global warming. Her analysis of gaming was just about that accurate - it came from outright ignorance and prejudice. IOW she's no less of a talking point spewing hack than the WORST MRA out there.

but you'll take as gospel on video games Christina Hoff Summers who by her own admission...has never played a video game in her life

I haven't quoted her at all. Next?

it has a website.. i can give you bread websites.. bread are also not people or a movement

The actual feminist organization Duluth Model exists and it has a website as proof of its existence, and this organization peddles a philosophy that says only men are abusers, and the organization's take on domestic violence is now in effect the law of the land.

Please, try to keep up.

you named NOW, Anita Sarkeesian, and an organization

Fixed your post.

dude, you dont believe Anita Sarkeesian without a second thought.. in fact, Sarkeesian wouldnt even be considered a figure if she hadnt been attacked in the first place..

Wrong. She's a feminist, that automatically guaranteed her dominance in the political discourse. Now her fraudulent crap is being taught in schools.

you dont want a woman with a different opinion then you getting popular..

Ah yes you believe that if a male said what Sarkeesian said, I wouldn't say anything.

You are truly, madly, deeply insane. I hate male feminists more than I hate female feminists. Idiot.

then go on a rant on ever gamergate and MRA site around and tell them to stop sending threats and posting libel about them

When you go on a rant and tell feminists to stop doing shit like
http://i.imgur.com/bR54Lsa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eur3Jsq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ksuIjO0.jpg

Oh, wait, you've never denounced a feminist for anything.

did you even read the article.. its about trying to ensure women that are victims of sexual assault dont get prosecuted for the crime... sheesh... how exactly is this a bad thing?

It's not about that at all. It's about making sure women get away with committing rape.

and the second one kind of glosses over that it's still legal to rape a woman if she's your wife and over the age of 15... that's awesome of them

http://kafila.org/2013/03/08/gender-just-gender-sensitive-not-gender-neutral-rape-laws/

Representatives of women’s groups, democratic and human rights groups and activists are alarmed about major lacunae in current legislative protection to women, upheld by the Standing Committee report, and we insist on the following:

The Accused Must Be Male.

Feminists in India clearly say that they only want men to be accused of rape, and that women cannot possibly commit rape. It's right there in black and white.

speaking of India... why have you not posted anything about sections 376 and 377 which make it illegal for two consenting men to have sex with each other

This is about laws that make it legal for women to commit rape. Please keep up.

I've asked you this before and you've never responded... or do male rights only apply to straight men?

Have you ever browsed my Tumblr account? I just finished a long flamewar with MRAs and Conservatives over Indiana's anti-gay bullshit law. I've also gotten into it with people over this in real life, including my own damned family.

My response is in deeds, not words.

mainly because most of it's been shown to be people being mean on the internet, and not death and rape threats, massacre threats, detailed plans to murder people, hacking websites, distributing information illegal... shit the list goes on... but please...show me some random mean words on the internet... gamergate wouldnt have a shitty reputation if it didnt do shitty things on a constant basis

Really, you don't say?
http://i.imgur.com/lYBjxhL.jpg
It seems that a few anti-Gamergate feminists are upset over the tidal wave of DOXXING Gamergaters by anti-GG forces.

Your people have sent Gamergate people death threats IN THE US MAIL:
http://i.imgur.com/w2FTGEM.png
http://i.imgur.com/KPsCxjG.png

Oh and there was that death threat sent to a 10 year old boy by anti-GG forces, which I showed you above.

Oh and Brianna Wu is known for making false claims.
http://i.imgur.com/NGpS7dy.png

From you I expect excuses about all this, or you'll just keep evading all this documented proof of death threats, doxxing and harassment by anti-Gamergate forces.

Again... challenge met.

You just stabbed yourself in the eye.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Badbabysitter and LT, are you two secretly dating? You seem to really enjoy arguing with each other and I can imagine you occasionally logging off to fuck.

I'd throw her in a room with Vetteman and let them kill each other.