The True Intent Of Indiana’s ‘Religious Freedom’ Bill

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The True Intent Of Indiana’s ‘Religious Freedom’ Bill, According To The People Who Helped Write It

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) and state Republican leaders have been playing damage control this week, claiming that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act is not a law that enables anti-LGBT discrimination. Meanwhile, however, the conservatives who advocated for the bill have been spurning this attempted walkback, asserting in the process that the goal was ensuring discrimination all along.

At the forefront of the conservative reaction is Micah Clark, who serves as executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana and who stood right behind Pence as he signed the bill. Speaking Monday to Tim Wildmon, head of the national American Family Association, Clark explained that conservatives should oppose any effort to clarify that the law does not legalize discrimination. “That could totally destroy this bill,” he explained.

Clark has been publicly advocating for the bill as a means for allowing anti-LGBT discrimination since December, long before the legislation was even drafted. This directly contradicts the claims made Monday by House Speaker Brian Bosma (R) and Senate President Pro Tem David Long (R) that the legislation never had anything to do with discrimination.

Eric Miller, Executive Director of Advance America, is another anti-LGBT activist who stood by Pence as he signed the bill. Advance America praised Pence for signing the bill last week, openly stating that it would allow wedding vendors to refuse to serve same-sex couples and allow Christian businesses to refuse transgender people access to restrooms. Miller was quoted as saying, “It is vitally important to protect religious freedom in Indiana. It’s the right thing to do. It was therefore important to pass Senate Bill 101 in 2015 in order to help protect churches, Christian businesses and individuals from those who want to punish them because of their Biblical beliefs!” Pence and Miller, it turns out, go way back.

More HERE.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

http://www.goodasyou.org/.a/6a00d8341c503453ef01b8d0f7a091970c-pi

 

[RjThoughts]

I'm loving how the state legislative republicans are now trying to backtrack on the law, trying to add wording so the LGBT community cannot be legally discriminated against. It's as if they heard from corporations and social media as to their fuck up!

 

[RobDownSouth]

The True Intent Of Indiana’s ‘Religious Freedom’ Bill, According To The People Who Helped Write It

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) and state Republican leaders have been playing damage control this week, claiming that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act is not a law that enables anti-LGBT discrimination. Meanwhile, however, the conservatives who advocated for the bill have been spurning this attempted walkback, asserting in the process that the goal was ensuring discrimination all along.

At the forefront of the conservative reaction is Micah Clark, who serves as executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana and who stood right behind Pence as he signed the bill. Speaking Monday to Tim Wildmon, head of the national American Family Association, Clark explained that conservatives should oppose any effort to clarify that the law does not legalize discrimination. “That could totally destroy this bill,” he explained.

Clark has been publicly advocating for the bill as a means for allowing anti-LGBT discrimination since December, long before the legislation was even drafted. This directly contradicts the claims made Monday by House Speaker Brian Bosma (R) and Senate President Pro Tem David Long (R) that the legislation never had anything to do with discrimination.

Eric Miller, Executive Director of Advance America, is another anti-LGBT activist who stood by Pence as he signed the bill. Advance America praised Pence for signing the bill last week, openly stating that it would allow wedding vendors to refuse to serve same-sex couples and allow Christian businesses to refuse transgender people access to restrooms. Miller was quoted as saying, “It is vitally important to protect religious freedom in Indiana. It’s the right thing to do. It was therefore important to pass Senate Bill 101 in 2015 in order to help protect churches, Christian businesses and individuals from those who want to punish them because of their Biblical beliefs!” Pence and Miller, it turns out, go way back.

More HERE.

But...but...this would mean that Contrifan32 is a liar! Specifically a God damned mother fucking stone cold liar!

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Another window, on how the situation developed-

http://indypolitics.org/


March 23, 2015


Saying that it was necessary to provide courts with guidance when it comes to religious freedom, the Indiana House today, 63-31, passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.


The bill was amended in committee to alleviate the concerns of businesses. It does not give an employee a cause of action against their private employer. The measure now goes back to the Senate for final approval.

 

[sr71plt]

Ever the opportunist, the governor of Virginia has spent the last couple of days in a media blitz to let companies in Indiana know they are welcome to move to Virginia.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

America isn't in luv with fags, and the tide of animosity for fags may come sooner than later.

 

[sr71plt]

That sounds great, James, as I've yet to see a prognostication by you of anything that panned out.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That sounds great, James, as I've yet to see a prognostication by you of anything that panned out.

That's because youre cock-eyed.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, I knew you didn't have any relevant answer to that.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

New York is hopping on board the Indiana travel boycott.

Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday that he was banning New York state employees from traveling to Indiana because of the passage of that state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which critics say can be used to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

"Today, I direct all agencies, departments, boards and commissions to immediately review all requests for state funded or state sponsored travel to the State of Indiana and to bar any such publicly funded travel that is not essential to the enforcement of state law or public health and safety. The ban on publicly funded travel shall take effect immediately," Cuomo said in his statement.

More HERE

 

[RjThoughts]

New York is hopping on board the Indiana travel boycott.

Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday that he was banning New York state employees from traveling to Indiana because of the passage of that state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which critics say can be used to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

"Today, I direct all agencies, departments, boards and commissions to immediately review all requests for state funded or state sponsored travel to the State of Indiana and to bar any such publicly funded travel that is not essential to the enforcement of state law or public health and safety. The ban on publicly funded travel shall take effect immediately," Cuomo said in his statement.

More HERE

And I bet he'll be putting out feelers for corporations.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Indiana's governor seems to have a long history of opposing gay rights

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) apparently previously advocated far more controversial positions on gay rights than his state's controversial new "religious freedom" law.

BuzzFeed reporter Andrew Kaczynski noted on Tuesday that the internet archiving site archiving site Wayback Machine captured Pence, a former congressman, opposing efforts to protect gays from discrimination and supporting "assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior" in 2000.
"Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual's as a 'discreet and insular minority' entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities," his website stated under the headline: "The Pence Agenda: A Guide To Renewing The America Dream."

Pence is under intense scrutiny since last week, when he signed the "religious freedom" law. Critics say the bill aims to legalize discrimination against same-sex couples, and a number of businesses and governments have since announced economic boycotts of the state. Pence dismissed these accusations, but in a defiant Tuesday press conference, he said he now wants to change the law to fix its "perception problem."

It's not a "perception problem" Governor. It's a discriminatory homophobic bigot problem.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There is something I am curious about. A few years ago, the US Congress passed the bill which is commonly known as Obamacare, and the POTUS signed it into law. Some of us objected to it and said it was a bad idea but the usual suspects proclaimed it had been passed by members of Congress who had been elected to represent The People and been signed by the president whom had also been elected by The People and that we should therefore shut up, bend over and take it.

Now we have a bill that has been passed by the legislature of Indiana, which had been elected to represent The People and signed into law by the governor, whom had also been elected by The People of Indiana.

So this is what I am curious about: Why is Obamacare something which should be accepted by all but the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Indiana is something which should be overturned. Personally, I don't care much for either of them, but they are both valid laws, assuming Obamacare withstands the most recent Constitutional challenge.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Indiana's governor seems to have a long history of opposing gay rights

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) apparently previously advocated far more controversial positions on gay rights than his state's controversial new "religious freedom" law.

BuzzFeed reporter Andrew Kaczynski noted on Tuesday that the internet archiving site archiving site Wayback Machine captured Pence, a former congressman, opposing efforts to protect gays from discrimination and supporting "assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior" in 2000.
"Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual's as a 'discreet and insular minority' entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities," his website stated under the headline: "The Pence Agenda: A Guide To Renewing The America Dream."

Pence is under intense scrutiny since last week, when he signed the "religious freedom" law. Critics say the bill aims to legalize discrimination against same-sex couples, and a number of businesses and governments have since announced economic boycotts of the state. Pence dismissed these accusations, but in a defiant Tuesday press conference, he said he now wants to change the law to fix its "perception problem."

It's not a "perception problem" Governor. It's a discriminatory homophobic bigot problem.

Did the website include the punctuation error I have bolded?

 

[RjThoughts]

There is something I am curious about. A few years ago, the US Congress passed the bill which is commonly known as Obamacare, and the POTUS signed it into law. Some of us objected to it and said it was a bad idea but the usual suspects proclaimed it had been passed by members of Congress who had been elected to represent The People and been signed by the president whom had also been elected by The People and that we should therefore shut up, bend over and take it.

Now we have a bill that has been passed by the legislature of Indiana, which had been elected to represent The People and signed into law by the governor, whom had also been elected by The People of Indiana.

So this is what I am curious about: Why is Obamacare something which should be accepted by all but the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Indiana is something which should be overturned. Personally, I don't care much for either of them, but they are both valid laws, assuming Obamacare withstands the most recent Constitutional challenge.

Because the ACA does NOT legalize discrimination against LGBT's, or any minority for that matter!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Because the ACA does NOT legalize discrimination against LGBT's, or any minority for that matter!

Actually, it does. It requires certain persons to pay for the medical insurance of certain other persons, whether they like it or not.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Actually, it does. It requires certain persons to pay for the medical insurance of certain other persons, whether they like it or not.

That's not discrimination, moron.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Actually, it does. It requires certain persons to pay for the medical insurance of certain other persons, whether they like it or not.

You got problems with #ThosePeople getting health insurance? Hmmm?

 

[Sean Renaud]

There is something I am curious about. A few years ago, the US Congress passed the bill which is commonly known as Obamacare, and the POTUS signed it into law. Some of us objected to it and said it was a bad idea but the usual suspects proclaimed it had been passed by members of Congress who had been elected to represent The People and been signed by the president whom had also been elected by The People and that we should therefore shut up, bend over and take it.

Now we have a bill that has been passed by the legislature of Indiana, which had been elected to represent The People and signed into law by the governor, whom had also been elected by The People of Indiana.

So this is what I am curious about: Why is Obamacare something which should be accepted by all but the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Indiana is something which should be overturned. Personally, I don't care much for either of them, but they are both valid laws, assuming Obamacare withstands the most recent Constitutional challenge.

Because discrimination is illegal. We had these fights in the 60's and have no reason to go back over them.

 

[RjThoughts]

Actually, it does. It requires certain persons to pay for the medical insurance of certain other persons, whether they like it or not.

No, that's not discrimination. These are real examples:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBSr7chWQAAe1y6.jpg:large

 

[Sean Renaud]

Actually, it does. It requires certain persons to pay for the medical insurance of certain other persons, whether they like it or not.

That's called being part of a community.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Because discrimination is illegal. We had these fights in the 60's and have no reason to go back over them.

Some discrimination is illegal and some is not. Persons in Indiana with religious convictions against homosexuality cannot now be compelled to transact business with homosexuals. This is not illegal there, although it would be illegal in CA and some other states.

For what it's worth, I think it's a dumb law and, if I lived in Indiana, I would try to overturn it, but it is not the only dumb law on the books.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Some discrimination is illegal and some is not. Persons in Indiana with religious convictions against homosexuality cannot now be compelled to transact business with homosexuals. This is not illegal there, although it would be illegal in CA and some other states.

For what it's worth, I think it's a dumb law and, if I lived in Indiana, I would try to overturn it, but it is not the only dumb law on the books.

As well they should be. That should be an illegal form of discrimination and if for some odd reason the law needs to change.

No it's not the only dumb law on the books and as we come across them they should all be ended. But this is one that is showing up now.

 

[RjThoughts]

Some discrimination is illegal and some is not. Persons in Indiana with religious convictions against homosexuality cannot now be compelled to transact business with homosexuals. This is not illegal there, although it would be illegal in CA and some other states.

For what it's worth, I think it's a dumb law and, if I lived in Indiana, I would try to overturn it, but it is not the only dumb law on the books.

Republicans are trying to backtrack from the law, want to add wording to it, like is on the Federal law, calling LGBT a protected minority.