Justifying a bad idea by recounting a history of bad ideas is particularly bad

[BoyNextDoor]

The Cotton letter creates the impression that Senate Republicans are rooting for negotiations to fail — which would complicate our attempt to maintain strong sanctions if negotiations end up failing.

In the aftermath of the letter, we are seeing the logic of partisan escalation. Didn’t Democrats open their own rogue negotiations with Nicaraguan dictator Daniel Ortega in the 1980s? Or sip tea with Syria’s Bashar al-Assad against the wishes of the George W. Bush administration? Of course they did. But justifying a bad idea by recounting a history of bad ideas is a particularly bad way to conduct foreign policy. It is the crutch of a partisan, not the argument of a statesman.

This is presumably the reason we have a Senate, not only a House. A six-year term should ensure an extra 30 minutes to read a document and think through its implications.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...f10b8e-c835-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html

 

[phrodeau]

Well, we can hope that after this dressing-down, Senator Cotton will spend the next five years and nine months with his mouth shut.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

What we can expect from "Extreme Conservatives, Neoconservatives, Lost Libertarians, and Koch Tea Party Republicans-

wild confrontationalism

maximum haste and a total contempt for planning or serious thought of any kind

attempts fail, even by the standards of their own logic

stubborn refusal to concede the plan has backfired even in the face of overwhelming evidence

regarding the concession of error as a form of weakness
(*gsgs comment- This explains so much about Wingnut's refusal to face basic truths!*)

"If brow-furrowing were thinking, the Republican establishment would be geniuses. If hand-wringing were prudence, GOP politicians would be exemplars of Aristotelian virtue. If tongue-clucking were eloquence, conservative elites would be orators for the ages."

-Jonathan Chait

11:38 a.m.
"The Republican Iran Letter Is the Perfect Neoconservative Fiasco"


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/iran-letter-is-perfect-neoconservative-fiasco.html

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I normally put "conservative" in quotes because today's GOP isn't conservative, they're much more neo-conservative/reactionary.

A former advisor of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s, Rexford Tugwell, skillfully uses the example of a community’s need for a new train station to illustrate the difference between liberals, radicals, conservatives, and reactionaries.

Liberals would like to rebuild the station while the trains are running; radicals prefer to blow up the station and forego service until the new structure is built.
Conservatives would prefer to keep the old station, being satisfied with it, while reactionaries would abandon the station entirely since they do not approve of trains in the first place.

The Radical Left and the Reactionary Right employ many of the same tactics, they just have different motivations.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The thing isn't always or necessarily about justifying a bad idea it's about either faked or partisan outrage. If you didn't get your shit in a knot when 'x' happened then you have less room to stand on being pissy about it now and I completely agree with that.

It seems that the outrage over Pelosi was minimal from all sides.

 

[phrodeau]

Well, we can hope that after this dressing-down, Senator Cotton will spend the next five years and nine months with his mouth shut.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/...-stopped-because-they-already-control-tehran/

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) on Sunday cited Iran’s control of their own capital, Tehran, as a reason that the country had to be stopped from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

He could have listened to me, but nooooooo.

 

[phrodeau]

Senator "Light Treason" Cotton was back on TV this morning, suggesting that the negotiations should be stopped (he actually used the expression "press the pause button"), and military action should be considered against Iran for their supposed nuclear weapons program.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wait. Don't the CIA and Mossad both agree that at their current rate Iran is going to get the nuke just slightly ahead of Bart Simpson and Dennis the Menace?

 

[oggbashan]

It was put very well on the BBC News last night:

It would be easy to sell a 'Perfect' deal to the US legislature i.e. one in which Iran surrenders, rolls over and waves its legs in the air.

But no diplomatic negotiation ever reaches a Perfect deal unless both sides have the same objective.

What will be on offer is a 'Good' deal, or a 'As Good As We Can Get' deal as the result of long, complex, detailed and very specific discussions on minor points.

That 'Good' deal is much more difficult to sell to politicians who think in soundbites and simple questions needing a "Hell Yes!" or a "Hell No!" answer.

The ratification of the treaty is going to be a long, hard and difficult task but it should be in the best interests of the US and Iran to reach a 'good' deal.

 

[Busybody]

President Bill Clinton’s words upon signing the nuclear deal with North Korea 21 years ago: "North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program,” Clinton announced then. “South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons.”

Despite Bill Clinton’s pledge of carefully monitoring, Pyongyang broke through to a nuclear bomb in October 2006, twelve years later. By comparison; a ten-year limit on the period during which Iran is allowed to develop a bomb is believed to be incorporated in the Vienna accord. Its full text of100 pages plus is still to be fully disclosed.

 

[Busybody]

a deal!

Just as Clinton had a deal.....let someone else deal with the aftermath....Hussein (half)Black Obama has a deal

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2015/07/bill-clinton-on-virtues-of-north-korean.html#links

 

[Busybody]

you all have cottpn for brains

Iranian newspaper says Iran could destroy the White House "in under 10 minutes"


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-destroy-the-white-house-in-under-10-minutes/ …

 

[phrodeau]

Iranian newspaper says Iran could destroy the White House "in under 10 minutes"


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-destroy-the-white-house-in-under-10-minutes/ …

So Senator Cotton has a middle-east counterpart.

 

[dan_c00000]

Senator "Light Treason" Cotton was back on TV this morning, suggesting that the negotiations should be stopped (he actually used the expression "press the pause button"), and military action should be considered against Iran for their supposed nuclear weapons program.

For someone who's allegedly a captain in the U.S. Army he should know a war against Iran would be a terrible idea.

 

[Busybody]

For someone who's allegedly a captain in the U.S. Army he should know a war against Iran would be a terrible idea.

yes, and a NUKE ARMED country that says DEATH TO AMERICA is better

and says this Iranian newspaper says Iran could destroy the White House "in under 10 minutes"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...er-10-minutes/ …

is better?

 

[dan_c00000]

yes, and a NUKE ARMED country that says DEATH TO AMERICA is better

and says this Iranian newspaper says Iran could destroy the White House "in under 10 minutes"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...er-10-minutes/ …

is better?

According to one war simulation is was over sooner than that.

Thanks for proving my point busy body (and destroying your own asshole this time!): fighting a war with Iran is only something really dumb people would advocate for.

 

[phrodeau]

President Bill Clinton’s words upon signing the nuclear deal with North Korea 21 years ago: "North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program,” Clinton announced then. “South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons.”

Despite Bill Clinton’s pledge of carefully monitoring, Pyongyang broke through to a nuclear bomb in October 2006, twelve years later. By comparison; a ten-year limit on the period during which Iran is allowed to develop a bomb is believed to be incorporated in the Vienna accord. Its full text of100 pages plus is still to be fully disclosed.

We all know who was responsible for North Korea getting nukes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North...tions#North_Korea_policy_under_George_W._Bush

 

[Busybody]

According to one war simulation is was over sooner than that.

Thanks for proving my point busy body (and destroying your own asshole this time!): fighting a war with Iran is only something really dumb people would advocate for.

you are a fool

 

[dan_c00000]

ow, my asshole!

Sorry busy body keep posting shit and keep getting your asshole wrecked.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/27921402.jpg

 

[Busybody]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ4o3-WUsAA9ycE.jpg