The "New Marshall Plan"

[Ishmael]

This is a spin off of

This thread.

The spokes people for the new 'jobs for jihadists' mantra are starting to mouth the phrase "new Marshall Plan." Really? Are they ignorant of history or do they think we are?

Let's start with a general observation, actually a basic fact. NO business is going to invest in ANY nation that does not have a stable government. It's just that simple, they aren't going to piss the investors money away. And no business investment means no jobs.

Looking back at the original Marshall Plan and why it worked. It worked because the enemy, the Axis powers, were thoroughly defeated. Any means of organized resistance were crushed. Further, government stability was guaranteed by the presence of large armies of occupation. Full control of the occupied nations political and civil future was firmly established. Private industry could safely invest in the rebuilding of those nations infrastructure and industry. And this required a long term commitment of occupying forces.

Our best chance of achieving anything resembling a Marshall Plan in the Middle East was in Iraq and that opportunity was pissed away when the occupying forces were withdrawn. The results of that decision are in the news daily.

So my fellow Litizen's, exactly how is this jobs program going to be implemented? Exactly how does one go about building a vibrant and growing economy with a vibrant and growing jobs market in nations with unstable governments and the inability to control their own territory?

Surely you folks out there that think that jobs are the answer to jihad have some ideas as to how this is going to be done. So let's hear those ideas.

Ishmael

 

[cowslinger64]

Lol... You nitpicked and cherry-picked a contestants words on a Chris Matthews interview.. And doubled down on the derp.

Chris would have you saying you love Obama two minutes in..

 

[Busybody]

Muslims have trillions from OIL

Fuck em

If they start shit, NEUTRON them

 

[Ishmael]

Muslims have trillions from OIL

Fuck em

If they start shit, NEUTRON them

Before you start your rants let's see if the supporters of this notion have any positive input. It's one thing to have an idea, it's quite another to make it into a reality.

Ishmael

 

[islandman]

I'm not clear on who Ishmael is addressing in the OP.

Is there a link to a roll-call posted somewhere I missed?

 

[Ishmael]

~snip~

Surely you folks out there that think that jobs are the answer to jihad have some ideas as to how this is going to be done. So let's hear those ideas.

Ishmael

I'm not clear on who Ishmael is addressing in the OP.

Is there a link to a roll-call posted somewhere I missed?

Something unclear about that paragraph?

Ishmael

 

[islandman]

Something unclear about that paragraph?

Ishmael

Yes.

Who are the "supporters of this notion" on Lit. to which you refer?

 

[Ishmael]

Yes.

Who are the "supporters of this notion" on Lit. to which you refer?

Anyone who cares to reply in support of the idea. That should be clear to even someone as dense as you.

Ishmael

 

[Busybody]

Forget the plan,it's too late

Are you reading what's going on in Italy

Did you read that ISIS is gonna send 500,000 refugees to flood Europe

It is all out war,bloody and protracted

Only question is

Will it be fought in Europe.....or will Europe take it to the ME....Italy is begging the UN for help.....that means.....it's gonna be fought in Europe

It's lost

 

[Ishmael]

Forget the plan,it's too late

Are you reading what's going on in Italy

Did you read that ISIS is gonna send 500,000 refugees to flood Europe

It is all out war,bloody and protracted

Only question is

Will it be fought in Europe.....or will Europe take it to the ME....Italy is begging the UN for help.....that means.....it's gonna be fought in Europe

It's lost

Just stop it, OK? Everyone that cares to know has read the headlines.

The official line is that we are NOT at war with Islam and that the jihadists are merely some misguided, unemployed, youths. And that the solution to all our problems are jobs programs.

Now there must be some folks that believe, and support, that notion. And if there aren't, and no one posts in this thread in support, well, we know something from that as well................don't we?

Ishmael

 

[cowslinger64]

Just stop it, OK? Everyone that cares to know has read the headlines.

The official line is that we are NOT at war with Islam and that the jihadists are merely some misguided, unemployed, youths. And that the solution to all our problems are jobs programs.

Now there must be some folks that believe, and support, that notion. And if there aren't, and no one posts in this thread in support, well, we know something from that as well................don't we?

Ishmael

We know that you're a fucking moron... here's the transcript of OBAMAs speech.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/politics/transcript-obama-syria-isis-speech/

 

[islandman]

Anyone who cares to reply in support of the idea. That should be clear to even someone as dense as you.

Ishmael

Has anyone done that yet?

If no, how will you spend the rest of your evening?

 

[eyer]

I think these excerpts from another "Marshall Plan" are more pertinent...

...the Movement must plan and struggle to obtain "the keys" and the tools of this process in carry out [sic] this grand mission as a 'Civilization Jihadist' responsibility.

The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.

…A mission as significant and as huge as the settlement mission needs magnificent and exhausting efforts. With their capabilities, human, financial and scientific resources, the Ikhwan will not be able to carry out this mission alone or away from people and he who believes that is wrong, and God knows best. As for the role of the Ikhwan, it is the initiative, pioneering, leadership, raising the banner and pushing people in that direction. They are then to work to employ, direct and unify Muslims’ efforts and powers for this process. In order to do that, we must possess a mastery of the art of “coalitions”, the art of “absorption” and the principles of “cooperation.”

Excerpted from An Explanatory Memorandum On the General Strategic Goal for the Group In North America 5/22/91 by the Muslim Brotherhood...

...entered as evidence in the 2008 Holyland Terror Funding Trial. Federal investigators found the document in the home of Ismael Elbarasse, a founder of the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, during a 2004 search. Elbarasse was a member of the Palestine Committee, which the Muslim Brotherhood had created to support Hamas in the United States.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Muslim_Brotherhood_Logo.png​

Gee willikers, ma...

...what's them swords doing in that seal? And what's that word? And why are you wearing that hood over your head?

It means "And prepare", son; it's taken from sūrat l-anfāl or "spoils of war", the 8th "chapter" of the Quran. It kind of goes along with the good Brothers' slogans of "Islam is the Solution" and "God is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of God is our highest hope. God is great!" All of which collaborate the good Brothers' primary objective everywhere they operate of introducing Sharia law as "the basis for controlling the affairs of state and society", and their stated second objective of unifying "Islamic countries and states, mainly among the Arab states, and liberating them from foreign imperialism"...

...now, hurry up and go clean your neck, little Johnny. Our guests will be here shortly.

Awww, ma...

 

[Disgustipated]

*jobs for jihadists* is just another dumbass term you thought was going to catch on line your *ShuckNJiveCare*

You truly are just a puddle of tears.

 

[PoppingTom]

Looking back at the original Marshall Plan and why it worked. It worked because the enemy, the Axis powers, were thoroughly defeated. Any means of organized resistance were crushed. Further, government stability was guaranteed by the presence of large armies of occupation. Full control of the occupied nations political and civil future was firmly established. Private industry could safely invest in the rebuilding of those nations infrastructure and industry. And this required a long term commitment of occupying forces.

You forgot one very special point: America DID nation building at that time. They had to. It was a competition with the Soviet system. Socialism was defeated because of that strategy.

 

[Ishmael]

Has anyone done that yet?

If no, how will you spend the rest of your evening?

I spent it the way I generally do, quite comfortably. And yourself? And I think my response to BB covers your 'what if' concern.

Ishmael

 

[miles]

Nobody who actually believes The Fraud's childish notion that terrorism is caused by lack of economic opportunity is going to come out and support it. It's almost as if they know they're idiots. What you can expect is the usual - accusations, personal attacks, deflections, and plain old ignorance.

 

[Ishmael]

Nobody who actually believes The Fraud's childish notion that terrorism is caused by lack of economic opportunity is going to come out and support it. It's almost as if they know they're idiots. What you can expect is the usual - accusations, personal attacks, deflections, and plain old ignorance.

And that too is knowledge.

Ishmael

 

[miles]

The Fraud lives in CYA mode and will say or do anything to deflect from his own incompetence and the truth. The country is laughing at him for his asinine statement that the Jews in France were killed "at random" - at a kosher deli. Who believes this horseshit?

 

[Ishmael]

You forgot one very special point: America DID nation building at that time. They had to. It was a competition with the Soviet system. Socialism was defeated because of that strategy.

It's not a 'special' point at all. We had many choices as to HOW we might rebuild Germany. We could have made it another GDR (that would have saved the Soviets a ton of money on that wall).

But I'll throw out a reason we took the path we took that is probably of more importance than your 'special' point.

"Impoverished nations make for shitty consumers." - Ishmael

 

[Busybody]

another reason why it worked

is

cause the Germans and the US were essentially of the same faith/values/ideology etc

they were battlefield enemies but for all intents and purposes

KINDRED SPIRITS

 

[Sean]

Let's start with a general observation, actually a basic fact. NO business is going to invest in ANY nation that does not have a stable government. It's just that simple, they aren't going to piss the investors money away. And no business investment means no jobs.

Yep, no oil company, for instance, is ever going to invest in a place where there is violence and insurrection. No sirree.

 

[Disgustipated]

Yep, no oil company, for instance, is ever going to invest in a place where there is violence and insurrection. No sirree.

A major plant blew up in socal yesterday and gas prices have already spiked.

Because Obama.

 

[richard_daily]

I spent it the way I generally do, quite comfortably. And yourself? And I think my response to BB covers your 'what if' concern.

Ishmael

So yet again, you're fighting a strawman. Does it make you feel good?

There are probably some violent violent video games out there that would be a more productive use of your time. I'm sure you could get some suggestions on which ones are the most "rah rah USA USA USA!!"

 

[RobDownSouth]

So yet again, you're fighting a strawman. Does it make you feel good?

There are probably some violent violent video games out there that would be a more productive use of your time. I'm sure you could get some suggestions on which ones are the most "rah rah USA USA USA!!"

Have you noticed the increase in strawman arguments recently?

It seems Ishmael and AJ are absolutely fixated on criticizing some nebulous (i.e. non-existant) folks opposed to their positions. Funny how they never seem to be able to name specific people ("You can look it up!")