Not another Jane Austen thread

[Cockaigne]

Don't know where else to turn. A Jane Austen fan with a question. Mr. Bingley has 5,000 a year. Mr. Darcy is twice his worth.
Where does this money come from? I understand when Ms. Austen says so and so inherited "X amount apon the death of Y", but how do her characters earn a certain amount a year? Do they have it invested somewhere?

 

[phrodeau]

Probably from land and property, which would be rented out.

 

[Cockaigne]

That makes sense. Mr. Darby has x amount of income from farms, y amount from artisans using his lands/ shops.Rentals and Re numerations. Sounds good to me. Is that how it worked in early 19th century England?
Also, How did Mrs. Bennett know what all these eligible gentlemen made.

 

[Noor]

"landed gentry"

 

[Cockaigne]

Landed Gentry

Please to excuse, but what the fuck does that mean? They were obviously keeping score somehow.

 

[Super-Surprise]

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[Noor]

"Landed gentry is a largely historical privileged British social class, consisting of land owners who could live entirely off rental income"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landed_gentry

 

[CandiCame]

Plus, doesn't Bingley own a solicitor's firm in London? It's been a long time since I read it but for some reason that's popping up. I might be wrong.

 

[Que]

Did I miss the other Jane Austin threads? Should I feel like I missed them?

 

[Noor]

Did I miss the other Jane Austin threads? Should I feel like I missed them?

never seen one here before.

 

[1sickbastard]

All these damn Jane Austen threads, Lit is lousy with'em.

 

[Libsam]

fuck jane austen and her boring ass "rich girls have problems too" stories.

 

[Cockaigne]

Landed gentry. Got it now. Thanks.
p.s. Posted on the wrong BB. Mistook this was the English Lit. board, not the Literotica board. Oh well, it happens to me sometimes. Have the lotion, a couple of tissues. All ready to go. "Let us see what's new on the Lit." And bam, Charles Dickens.
BTW, A Tale of Two Cities is not about a hottie who likes to commute!

 

[oggbashan]

Don't know where else to turn. A Jane Austen fan with a question. Mr. Bingley has 5,000 a year. Mr. Darcy is twice his worth.
Where does this money come from? I understand when Ms. Austen says so and so inherited "X amount apon the death of Y", but how do her characters earn a certain amount a year? Do they have it invested somewhere?

Gentlemen were not supposed to engage in 'Trade'. They were above such things.

They owned, usually inherited, large estates of land which were rented out to tenant farmers for an annual fee, or a percentage of the proceeds of the crops.

Some landowners employed their own staff to manage the estates and made money from the crops.

Investments in 'The Funds' - government debt - gave a secure income and was frequently used for heiress's dowries.

How did they know who earned what? Inheritance was by probated will and the details were open, and could be published in a local newssheet. e.g. Lord X died leaving 10,000 acres with an annual income of 7,500 guineas.

An agricultural depression could affect a gentleman's income drastically, and ruin tenant farmers, throwing agricultural labourers out of work - and into the Workhouse. But that would affect almost all landowners equally, so someone on 10,000 a year before the depression would still be worth more than someone on 5,000 a year before the depression.

Right up to 1914, the start of WW1, it was common for unmarried daughters to be bought a few cheap houses that would be rented out to provide them with an income - Buy to Let. That income was shown in rate returns for the local City Hall.

Some of Georgette Heyer's Regency stories focus on the difference between landed gentry incomes and those who made money from 'Trade'. For example "Bath Tangle" has a relatively poor heiress meeting a Nabob who has made massive amounts of money in India. "A Civil Contract" has an elder son who finds out that his inheritance has been wasted by his gambler father, has to seek a rich woman to restore the family fortunes. A City financier suggests a marriage with his only daughter, which would make her part of the nobility that her father could never join, in exchange for the father bailing out the nobleman's debts.

Death Duties introduced to raise money to pay for WW1, ruined the system of inherited wealth.

But in the 21st Century, Buy to Let in the UK is bringing back the idea of buying property to provide an income for children.

 

[Wings]

Landed gentry. Got it now. Thanks.
p.s. Posted on the wrong BB. Mistook this was the English Lit. board, not the Literotica board. Oh well, it happens to me sometimes. Have the lotion, a couple of tissues. All ready to go. "Let us see what's new on the Lit." And bam, Charles Dickens.
BTW, A Tale of Two Cities is not about a hottie who likes to commute!

I like you.

 

[CandiCame]

Gentlemen were not supposed to engage in 'Trade'. They were above such things.

They owned, usually inherited, large estates of land which were rented out to tenant farmers for an annual fee, or a percentage of the proceeds of the crops.

Some landowners employed their own staff to manage the estates and made money from the crops.

Investments in 'The Funds' - government debt - gave a secure income and was frequently used for heiress's dowries.

How did they know who earned what? Inheritance was by probated will and the details were open, and could be published in a local newssheet. e.g. Lord X died leaving 10,000 acres with an annual income of 7,500 guineas.

An agricultural depression could affect a gentleman's income drastically, and ruin tenant farmers, throwing agricultural labourers out of work - and into the Workhouse. But that would affect almost all landowners equally, so someone on 10,000 a year before the depression would still be worth more than someone on 5,000 a year before the depression.

Right up to 1914, the start of WW1, it was common for unmarried daughters to be bought a few cheap houses that would be rented out to provide them with an income - Buy to Let. That income was shown in rate returns for the local City Hall.

Some of Georgette Heyer's Regency stories focus on the difference between landed gentry incomes and those who made money from 'Trade'. For example "Bath Tangle" has a relatively poor heiress meeting a Nabob who has made massive amounts of money in India. "A Civil Contract" has an elder son who finds out that his inheritance has been wasted by his gambler father, has to seek a rich woman to restore the family fortunes. A City financier suggests a marriage with his only daughter, which would make her part of the nobility that her father could never join, in exchange for the father bailing out the nobleman's debts.

Death Duties introduced to raise money to pay for WW1, ruined the system of inherited wealth.

But in the 21st Century, Buy to Let in the UK is bringing back the idea of buying property to provide an income for children.

I think you're thinking of the Tim Burton movie Corpse Bride...

 

[oggbashan]

I think you're thinking of the Tim Burton movie Corpse Bride...

I had to Google it. I had heard of it, but not read about it.

I think that The Corpse Bride is based on Georgette Heyer, not the other way around.

 

[Cockaigne]

Thanks Oggbashan

Very informative. That really flushed out some of the other answers for me.

Also, long time skulker, first thead started
Bringin' some class to this board!
You are welcome Literotica

YOU

ARE

WELCOME

 

[Cockaigne]

Thanks!

I like you.

I like me, too.
Wait, that sounds a little conceited. Does that sound conceited to you? Let me try again.
Thanks. I like me, too. But only a little.
Yah, that's better.

 

[CandiCame]

I had to Google it. I had heard of it, but not read about it.

I think that The Corpse Bride is based on Georgette Heyer, not the other way around.

No, Corpse Bride is based on an old Jewish myth that dates back SUPER far. I can't remember how far, but far enough that Guitenburg can publish it all public domain and shit. I can probably find out when it was originally reported, but fairy tales are usually pretty sketchy on origin dates.

Edit: The first Google source, aka: the most research I'm willing to do for something I'm doing just to be an asshole that doesn't actually matter at all, like debate literary dates, says Corpse Bride is from the 16th century, tho it vaguely states that it could be earlier.

Georgette Heyer, on the other hand, published her first work in 1921. So if anybody was stealing ideas, it was her stealing from the jews, in an act that would have shocked noone.