Holocaust Remembrance

[Fata Morgana]

I've just been chatting to Tath about this in PM and am kinda surprised there was no thread (unless I'm a blind twat and missed it). We did have a bit of a discussion going the other night but I got the impression ISO probably wasn't the right place.

Anyway there have been many documentaries on here this past week and one that was shown the other night called NIGHT WILL FALL was particularly harrowing and interesting, with footage never shown in 70 years. Tath tells me he's seen it and is available for yanks to watch on HBO I think he said (Tath?).

I thought the memorial service was beautiful and touching but kinda gutted Britain didn't send anyone of weight over to represent them. Ten years ago they sent Prince Edward and Jack Straw, this time it was fuck knows who.

Anyone see it? Thoughts?

And after discussing Schindler's List with the old mucker the other night I re-watched again, the first time in years. Christ that is one stunning film and makes me sad that Liam Neeson hasn't done more to show off his acting skills recently other than silly action stuff.

 

[Fata Morgana]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/foxkitsune/o-SCHINDLERS-LIST-570_zps0eaba197.jpg

 

[Fata Morgana]

Currently reading this and it's fantastic.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/20...bruck-camp-women-sarah-helm-profoundly-moving

 

[Tathagata]

“We must remember that hate is never right and love is never wrong.”
— Roman Kent, Holocaust survivor. In his speech on the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau. January 27, 2015.

Dead people receive more flowers than the living ones because the regret is stronger than gratitude.”
— Anne Frank’s Diary



Two quotes I came across the other day.

The Anne Frank one I had never seen before

 

[Fata Morgana]

“We must remember that hate is never right and love is never wrong.”
— Roman Kent, Holocaust survivor. In his speech on the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau. January 27, 2015.

Dead people receive more flowers than the living ones because the regret is stronger than gratitude.”
— Anne Frank’s Diary



Two quotes I came across the other day.

The Anne Frank one I had never seen before

Me neither. There's a lot of truth in that. I'm always taking flowers up to my Dad and often think I should give them to my Mum whilst she's here.

 

[Fata Morgana]

How she looks now.

[http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc144/cata_o/close-up2/girl_red_coat_schindlers_list.jpg[/URL]

 

[Tathagata]

The Hitchcock Documentary was harrowing because they were trying to document HOW these people died. So rather than just show a pile of bodies they would focus on close ups, which most war photographers didn't do.
They also showed the warehouses full of hair and other things.
It is beyond comprehension.

 

[Tathagata]

How she looks now.

[http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc144/cata_o/close-up2/girl_red_coat_schindlers_list.jpg[/URL]

Still fucks me up to see her in that coat

 

[Que]

“We must remember that hate is never right and love is never wrong.”
— Roman Kent, Holocaust survivor. In his speech on the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau. January 27, 2015.

Dead people receive more flowers than the living ones because the regret is stronger than gratitude.”
— Anne Frank’s Diary



Two quotes I came across the other day.

The Anne Frank one I had never seen before

Those are some great quotes. It is so hard to see some of those images. I feel ashamed that I tend to avoid anything that is likely to show them. Reading about it is tear-jerking enough.

I saw a documentary I think it is called Nazi children or maybe Hitler's Children. In it they interviewed the children of Nazi war criminals. The children were very remorseful of their parent's roles. The most poignant was to see a happy childhood photo with an ornate gate in the background of the shot. It was taken on the grounds of an extermination camp. Their home looked completely normal and was walled off from actually seeing the camp. The gate was what their father went through each day on his way to his horrific job.

 

[Fata Morgana]

The Hitchcock Documentary was harrowing because they were trying to document HOW these people died. So rather than just show a pile of bodies they would focus on close ups, which most war photographers didn't do.
They also showed the warehouses full of hair and other things.
It is beyond comprehension.

Those rooms in Auschwitz are beyond comprehension even when you're stood in front of them. I think the one full of hair was the hardest for me. Maybe it's a vanity thing, cos I'm precious about my hair etc...dunno. My friend who I went with was most effected by the wall where they gunned people down. I know that night apparently I kept shouting Anna! in my sleep. I've never known an Anna, so I presume it was one of the names on the suitcases. I did spend ages looking at those.

There was another doc on the other night here about a British soldier who was kept there for some time. A journalist took him back and they went round the camp with him sharing his memories. This guy was 97! Spritely as fuck and could remember it all. Unbelievable. He read out the letters he wrote to his wife back in Wales telling her how much he missed her. One day he snuck a sausage to a Polish prisoner and he gave him a silver ring. He still wears it to this day. Not sure if you can get that on BBC America but it's called From Auschwitz With Love.

 

[Fata Morgana]

Still fucks me up to see her in that coat

And I never noticed until this viewing that when she hides under the bed she's in black and white. She's only in red through Schindler's eyes. Can't believe I never noticed that.

 

[spacekowboy]

Holocaust porn gives me a Woodrow.





















What, too soon?

 

[Fata Morgana]

Those are some great quotes. It is so hard to see some of those images. I feel ashamed that I tend to avoid anything that is likely to show them. Reading about it is tear-jerking enough.

I saw a documentary I think it is called Nazi children or maybe Hitler's Children. In it they interviewed the children of Nazi war criminals. The children were very remorseful of their parent's roles. The most poignant was to see a happy childhood photo with an ornate gate in the background of the shot. It was taken on the grounds of an extermination camp. Their home looked completely normal and was walled off from actually seeing the camp. The gate was what their father went through each day on his way to his horrific job.

I think I know which one you mean. I'm sure one of them was Amon Goeth's daughter.

 

[Fata Morgana]

Holocaust porn gives me a Woodrow.





















What, too soon?

Arsehole thing to say to be honest.

 

[spacekowboy]

Just trying to lighten the mood around here.

 

[Fata Morgana]

Just trying to lighten the mood around here.

It's a Holocaust thread. What do you expect?

 

[Tathagata]

And I never noticed until this viewing that when she hides under the bed she's in black and white. She's only in red through Schindler's eyes. Can't believe I never noticed that.

I always assumed that the color was deliberately "rose" colored.
A flower among the madness.
I'm not sure if that's why.

I saw a documentary I think it is called Nazi children or maybe Hitler's Children. In it they interviewed the children of Nazi war criminals. The children were very remorseful of their parent's roles. The most poignant was to see a happy childhood photo with an ornate gate in the background of the shot. It was taken on the grounds of an extermination camp. Their home looked completely normal and was walled off from actually seeing the camp. The gate was what their father went through each day on his way to his horrific job.

I saw that or something similar to that it was photos and actually a few home movies.
Basically cook outs and beer with the family and Auschwitz in the background.

 

[spacekowboy]

It's a Holocaust thread. What do you expect?

A sense of humor for one and not to be called an asshole for an off color joke for another. I mean it's a porn board that you're starting this thread on and I'm the asshole.

Oh well, whatever.

 

[Fata Morgana]

A sense of humor for one and not to be called an asshole for an off color joke for another. I mean it's a porn board that you're starting this thread on and I'm the asshole.

Oh well, whatever.

Fuck you.

 

[Bidin~Time]

Very moving thread, Fata.

(and Tath)

Many years ago, I worked with a lady who survived a concentration camp. She once showed me the tattoo on her wrist. She was beautiful inside and out, and it saddened me to think of such a sweet soul having to endure such horror. How many others just like Miss Trudy never made it out; what a loss to mankind.

 

[Brollyanna]

Perhaps we should honor the victims by fighting the prejudices that made the Holocaust possible; let's stop judging people by the color of their skin, by their religion, by their sex, by their sexuality or by their nationality.




...

 

[JohnnySavage]

I went to the Holocaust Museum here in DC a few years ago and it was a very somber and emotional visit.

 

[Tathagata]

A sense of humor for one and not to be called an asshole for an off color joke for another. I mean it's a porn board that you're starting this thread on and I'm the asshole.

Oh well, whatever.

Lots of other threads you can fluff.

 

[Tathagata]

Very moving thread, Fata.

(and Tath)

Many years ago, I worked with a lady who survived a concentration camp. She once showed me the tattoo on her wrist. She was beautiful inside and out, and it saddened me to think of such a sweet soul having to endure such horror. How many others just like Miss Trudy never made it out; what a loss to mankind.

Most of the survivors I've seen interviewed seem to be gentle people.

They are bent by sadness..I don't know how they pulled themselves back into this life after that.

 

[Fata Morgana]

Most of the survivors I've seen interviewed seem to be gentle people.

They are bent by sadness..I don't know how they pulled themselves back into this life after that.

Yeah none of them are raging are they? Me neither. I don't think I could.