Team America World Police strike again....

[BotanyBoy]

In the middle east...and for what? No one knows.....shocking right?

U.S. to train, equip moderate Syria rebels
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/16/us/syria-rebel-training/

Let's hope the next administration isn't so gung ho' happy to keep the middle east nation building cluster fuck going for all eternity....though considering M'uricuhs compulsion to fuck around in the middle east, just because, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Que]

In the middle east...and for what? No one knows.....shocking right?

U.S. to train, equip moderate Syria rebels
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/16/us/syria-rebel-training/

Let's hope the next administration isn't so gung ho' happy to keep the middle east nation building cluster fuck going for all eternity....though considering M'uricuhs compulsion to fuck around in the middle east, just because, I'm not holding my breath.

America's compulsion to avoid sensible energy like nuke plants that don't take 20 years of permit process and drilling for our own oil. I'm convinced the military industrial complex is behind our retarded energy decisions.

 

[1sickbastard]

The politics of the region are insanely complicated.

 

[BotanyBoy]

America's compulsion to avoid sensible energy like nuke plants that don't take 20 years of permit process and drilling for our own oil.

That would make sense if we were going over there to get oil...but we aren't.

I'm convinced the military industrial complex is behind our retarded energy decisions.

Whut?

The politics of the region are insanely complicated.

All the more reason to not go randomly sticking our dick into every potential nation building scenario it can find there.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The politics of the region are insanely complicated.

Nonsense! Just ask any wingnut here, they can distill Mideast policy down to a point where it fits on a bumper sticker: Muslim BAD Murica GOOD

 

[KingOrfeo]

That would make sense if we were going over there to get oil...but we aren't.

In Syria's case, I suppose it's more about preventing the emergence of a regime that would threaten Israel.

 

[dan_c00000]

Nonsense! Just ask any wingnut here, they can distill Mideast policy down to a point where it fits on a bumper sticker: Muslim BAD Murica GOOD

Hell they don't even have to Muslim for them Rob! Remember busybody's old Brown BAD White GOOD avatars?

 

[Sean Renaud]

America's compulsion to avoid sensible energy like nuke plants that don't take 20 years of permit process and drilling for our own oil. I'm convinced the military industrial complex is behind our retarded energy decisions.

In fairness to your first point we have a lot of people who are just plain scared of nukes. It's a not in my backyard sort of thing. Irrattional but predictable.

Yes the military is behind some of our retarded decisions but I don't think it's got much to do with our energy policies.

 

[Busybody]

Hell they don't even have to Muslim for them Rob! Remember busybody's old Brown BAD White GOOD avatars?

no

show me

 

[Busybody]

Nonsense! Just ask any wingnut here, they can distill Mideast policy down to a point where it fits on a bumper sticker: Muslim BAD Murica GOOD

sounds right,


GADSTONE LINK?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yes the military is behind some of our retarded decisions but I don't think it's got much to do with our energy policies.

Well, I think the Joint Chiefs understand perfectly well that these days their principal function is to protect America's supply of imported petroleum.

 

[1sickbastard]

All the more reason to not go randomly sticking our dick into every potential nation building scenario it can find there.

I think the USoA is done with nation-building for the foreseeable future. Having an armed, non-state organization to act as a proxy, for on the ground leverage that doesn't involve US personal being shot at is not the same thing as nation building.

Nonsense! Just ask any wingnut here, they can distill Mideast policy down to a point where it fits on a bumper sticker: Muslim BAD Murica GOOD

That's politics in the USoA nowdays; If it can't fit on a bumper sticker or in #less than 140 characters, hardly anyone will understand it.

Well, I think the Joint Chiefs understand perfectly well that these days their principal function is to protect America's supply of imported petroleum.

I would think the Joint Chiefs understand the principle function of their job is the same as it's always been; professional violence at the behest of the civilian leadership.

 

[FGB]

In the middle east...and for what? No one knows.....shocking right?

U.S. to train, equip moderate Syria rebels
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/16/us/syria-rebel-training/

Let's hope the next administration isn't so gung ho' happy to keep the middle east nation building cluster fuck going for all eternity....though considering M'uricuhs compulsion to fuck around in the middle east, just because, I'm not holding my breath.

There are no good guys in Syria to support so just what are we doing?

 

[KingOrfeo]

There are no good guys in Syria to support so just what are we doing?

Something. That's the whole point; the problem of an intractable civil war in a next-door neighbor of Israel, which has attacked Israel in the past, seems too important to just stay out of it, we have to do something.

 

[phrodeau]

How odd. I guess the right to bear arms shouldn't apply to people in the middle East.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In Syria's case, I suppose it's more about preventing the emergence of a regime that would threaten Israel.

Not possible to prevent. That's like giving lynching instructions to a black panther who's neighbors with a klansman, so that they get along better.

I think the USoA is done with nation-building for the foreseeable future. Having an armed, non-state organization to act as a proxy, for on the ground leverage that doesn't involve US personal being shot at is not the same thing as nation building.

That's how every conflict we have ever been involved with since Vee-it-Nam has started. First it's the BS with "combat advisers" (SF/ASWG) then security and support...next thing you know we have another 500k troops deployed and another 10 year 800 billion dollar a year 'not a war' for NOTHING money pit.

We install a leader.....guys a fucking dick and we re-deploy for round 34

There are no good guys in Syria to support so just what are we doing?

Getting someone with the right connections....PAAAAAIIIIID like there is no tomorrow.

Something. That's the whole point; the problem of an intractable civil war in a next-door neighbor of Israel, which has attacked Israel in the past, seems too important to just stay out of it, we have to do something.

I don't understand...Israel could fucking ass rape the shit out of the entire region...prob even wreck most of Europe if they wanted yet we have to go over there and wage war any time someone talks shit to them.

I don't fucking get it. *Que vettey with 'tactical positioning' bullshit....

 

[BotanyBoy]

How odd. I guess the right to bear arms shouldn't apply to people in the middle East.

Prob because they actually have that right, way more than Americans do.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How odd. I guess the right to bear arms shouldn't apply to people in the middle East.

They're Muslims! Going around in public with no sleeves is indecent!

 

[1sickbastard]

That's how every conflict we have ever been involved with since Vee-it-Nam has started. First it's the BS with "combat advisers" (SF/ASWG) then security and support...next thing you know we have another 500k troops deployed and another 10 year 800 billion dollar a year 'not a war' for NOTHING money pit.

We install a leader.....guys a fucking dick and we re-deploy for round 34

Right. Sending in US military advisers to a (nominal) US ally during the Cold War is exactly the same as arming a indigenous paramilitary organization in a highly sectarian, post Cold War regional conflict

I know political discussions on a pornography website tend to broad, sweeping over-generalizations, but this would be more analogous to the US arming UNITA in Angola, except without the overriding backdrop of Cold War politics.

So, while I appreciate your attempt at making the comparison to US involvement in Vietnam, its not even close.

 

[1sickbastard]

They're Muslims! Going around in public with no sleeves is indecent!

Only if they're women, and they have plenty of stones for that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So, while I appreciate your attempt at making the comparison to US involvement in Vietnam, its not even close.

It was not a comparison....

I'm saying that EVERY military conflict we have entered, that I can think of, in the better part of the last century.....has started with sending in 'combat advisers' and a "oh we are just trying to help allies out a lil bit". And has either turned into a total cluster fuck that's worse or outright failure that comes back to bite us in the ass (esp in the middle east)....every single time.

Desert Storm might have been the only exception. It's the cleanest war we have ever fought....dick head fucked with out peeps, we sent them packing, it was over.

Other than that this looks like another potential 10 year Halliburton gravy train.....

 

[KingOrfeo]

I don't understand...Israel could fucking ass rape the shit out of the entire region...prob even wreck most of Europe if they wanted yet we have to go over there and wage war any time someone talks shit to them.

Because AIPAC.

And, because "Christian Zionists".

 

[1sickbastard]

It was not a comparison....

I'm saying that EVERY military conflict we have entered, that I can think of, in the better part of the last century.....has started with sending in 'combat advisers' and a "oh we are just trying to help allies out a lil bit". And has either turned into a total cluster fuck that's worse or outright failure that comes back to bite us in the ass (esp in the middle east)....every single time.

Desert Storm might have been the only exception. It's the cleanest war we have ever fought....dick head fucked with out peeps, we sent them packing, it was over.

Other than that this looks like another potential 10 year Halliburton gravy train.....

Yeah, I get that.
The US is NOT helping out any allies
the US gov't is supporting a few of the factions who current interests align with ours with small arms, light infantry weapons and trained professionals to teach them to use those weapons from camps in Turkey, Qatar & the KSA.
That's it.
There is no talk or discussion of long term support or trying to make any of these groups the dominant player around which some official state can be built.
They are expendable, disposable pawns through which the US can do some damage to ISIS.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, I get that.
The US is NOT helping out any allies
the US gov't is supporting a few of the factions who current interests align with ours with small arms, light infantry weapons and trained professionals to teach them to use those weapons from camps in Turkey, Qatar & the KSA.
That's it.

For now..and that's kind of making ourselves allies with those factions is it not?

There is no talk or discussion of long term support or trying to make any of these groups the dominant player around which some official state can be built.

There wasn't for any of the other 8-13 year long occupation 'wars' that get us NOTHING but a bunch of dead kids and a bill our grand kids MIGHT see paid down either.

They ALL started with "oh we just gonna give our homies "Moderate" rebels some gunz and stuff....because that usually winds up working for us, like never.

They are expendable, disposable pawns through which the US can do some damage to ISIS.

Oh well there is a good cause

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3349796/whac-a-mole-o.gif

No surprise M'uicuh is ready to put more money in that grand investment LOL

Hows that panned out over the last 20 years?

That's my whole point man...WTF are we doing relentlessly sticking our dick into every middle eastern internal/tribal conflict we can??

How has any story starting this way ever benefited the US or it's citizenry?

Another question I ponder is, why these particular worthless shit holes with fucked up conflict happening and not any of the other umpteen cluster fucks in Africa/SA/SEA?

 

[1sickbastard]

For now..and that's kind of making ourselves allies with those factions is it not?



There wasn't for any of the other 8-13 year long occupation 'wars' that get us NOTHING but a bunch of dead kids and a bill our grand kids MIGHT see paid down either.

They ALL started with "oh we just gonna give our homies "Moderate" rebels some gunz and stuff....because that usually winds up working for us, like never.



Oh well there is a good cause

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3349796/whac-a-mole-o.gif

No surprise M'uicuh is ready to put more money in that grand investment LOL

Hows that panned out over the last 20 years?

That's my whole point man...WTF are we doing relentlessly sticking our dick into every middle eastern internal/tribal conflict we can??

How has any story starting this way ever benefited the US or it's citizenry?

Another question I ponder is, why these particular worthless shit holes with fucked up conflict happening and not any of the other umpteen cluster fucks in Africa/SA/SEA?

Again, back to oversimplifying very complex realities.

If you want to get real simple, it ain't 1900 anymore. Isolationism worked out okay when most people still got around on foot and horseback, it took nearly a week to get across the Atlantic & the telephone was the new hot-shit communication device.

But times have changed.

Contrary to your "the Multinationals Rule EVERYTHING" perspective, nation states do have interests beyond their own borders. And the more power a given nation state has (minor power v. great power v. superpower), the more interests it has beyond it's own borders.
Now, the Levant & Mesopotamia are an area of global strategic interest. That's a fact whether you like it or not.
The USoA just throwing up it's hands and walking away so the regional players can do whatever is a piss poor way to be able to influence events in an area of global strategic interest, so like it or not there needs to be some way to stay engaged and yet limit potential exposure & liability.

If you have a better suggestion (and isolationism don't count), by all means, lets hear it.