Federal Gas User Fee should be raised.

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's time to improve our infrastructure.

 

[AZMotherLover]

It's time to improve our infrastructure.

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[SgtSpiderMan]

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You're welcome to disagree but the set up we have now means higher taxes. The user fee can't cover the cost of roads so money is being pulled from taxes.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're welcome to disagree but the set up we have now means higher taxes. The user fee can't cover the cost of roads so money is being pulled from taxes.

So you support flat taxes that crush the poor?

You do realize gas taxes = damn near everything taxes right?

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's time to improve our infrastructure.

What do you mean by "Gas user fee?" Are you referring to the excise tax on gasoline and, presumably, diesel fuel? A fee would be a charge for using a ferry or a toll road or bridge.

The excise tax on a basic necessity such as gasoline is highly inflationary and somewhat regressive

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Great idea! Email it to the GOP Congress today.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

So you support flat taxes that crush the poor?

You do realize gas taxes = damn near everything taxes right?

Actually, a flat tax would only bad for the poor if you don't exempt all wages below a certain dollar amount (for everyone). Those on the low end of the income scale would pay zero or a very small amount of income tax. Those who are doing well financially would pay (for example) 14% income tax on all income above that amount with no upper limit. No differentiation between sources of that income. Capital Gains would be taxed at the same rate as the weekly paycheck of the blue collar worker (above the low level threshold).

Example:
Income exemption: $30,000 per year for single taxpayer ($60K for a married or civil union couple). Additional allowances for dependent children.
Single wage earner makes up to $30,000, they pay zero income tax.
Single wage earner makes $30,001, they pay $0.14 income tax.
Single wage earner makes $3,000,000, they pay $415,800 in income tax (14% income tax on 2,970,000, they get their $30,000 exemption just like everyone else).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Actually, a flat tax would only bad for the poor if you don't exempt all wages below a certain dollar amount (for everyone).

Well wouldn't be much of a flat tax with all those fucking free loaders then now would it?

The price of gas effects EVERYTHING....raising taxes on it would hurt the poor the most and there is no way for them to escape it.

Want to fix roads? Raise the cost of tags or fines for speeding or w/e. There are so many other ways we could get so much more revenue generation, moar gas tax can't be anything other than fucking retarded luburhul derp.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Mandate a 10% reduction in the Defense budget (should be pretty easy with no large amount of troops fighting Dubya's wars anymore) and reallocate the money to infrastructure, specifically the Interstate highway system. Voilà (or "Wallah" in query-speak), problem solved.

 

[Busybody]

how bout we wall LIBZ/DUMZ into a coupla States and WALL EM IN.....infrastructure em in

 

[Curmudgeonly]

Well wouldn't be much of a flat tax with all those fucking free loaders then now would it?

The price of gas effects EVERYTHING....raising taxes on it would hurt the poor the most and there is no way for them to escape it.

Want to fix roads? Raise the cost of tags or fines for speeding or w/e. There are so many other ways we could get so much more revenue generation, moar gas tax can't be anything other than fucking retarded luburhul derp.

The solution to all of the ills of the Statist's Utopia is always...yet another program...a carve-out...and exception...a rebate...a tax credit....

...to undo the unjust damage they do to the many...in an effort to fvck the few...

Every scheme...is a fix for the fallout from the last scheme...it's endless...

 

[KingOrfeo]

The solution to all of the ills of the Statist's Utopia is always...yet another program...a carve-out...and exception...a rebate...a tax credit....

...to undo the unjust damage they do to the many...in an effort to fvck the few...

Every scheme...is a fix for the fallout from the last scheme...it's endless...

So how would you fix America's crumbling infrastructure?

N.B.: Privatizing it wouldn't work.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Well wouldn't be much of a flat tax with all those fucking free loaders then now would it?

The price of gas effects EVERYTHING....raising taxes on it would hurt the poor the most and there is no way for them to escape it.

Want to fix roads? Raise the cost of tags or fines for speeding or w/e. There are so many other ways we could get so much more revenue generation, moar gas tax can't be anything other than fucking retarded luburhul derp.

Raising the cost of a tag would hurt people the same way. Any business that has a car or fleet of cars would theoretically pass that cost on to consumers if the market would allow them to.

We're also talking about this on the federal level. Would people have to register their cars on the state AND federal level? Would the feds just tack on extra fees for tags and let the states do all the work? Pretty much the same with speeding tickets.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Actually, a flat tax would only bad for the poor if you don't exempt all wages below a certain dollar amount (for everyone). Those on the low end of the income scale would pay zero or a very small amount of income tax. Those who are doing well financially would pay (for example) 14% income tax on all income above that amount with no upper limit. No differentiation between sources of that income. Capital Gains would be taxed at the same rate as the weekly paycheck of the blue collar worker (above the low level threshold).

Example:
Income exemption: $30,000 per year for single taxpayer ($60K for a married or civil union couple). Additional allowances for dependent children.
Single wage earner makes up to $30,000, they pay zero income tax.
Single wage earner makes $30,001, they pay $0.14 income tax.
Single wage earner makes $3,000,000, they pay $415,800 in income tax (14% income tax on 2,970,000, they get their $30,000 exemption just like everyone else).

This thread is supposed to be about fuel excise taxes, which are paid by everybody, regardless of income. You are describing a graduated income tax, which is what the current system is. A flat tax would be everybody paying the same rate, although there could be a floor.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

This thread is supposed to be about fuel excise taxes, which are paid by everybody, regardless of income. You are describing a graduated income tax, which is what the current system is. A flat tax would be everybody paying the same rate, although there could be a floor.

Paid by people who use the gasoline.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

It's time to improve our infrastructure.

what the 'government' needs to do is fire fucktards like yourself then end the ponzi plan aka pension system. use the pension system to pay for the infrastructure

 

[BotanyBoy]

Mandate a 10% reduction in the Defense budget (should be pretty easy with no large amount of troops fighting Dubya's wars anymore) and reallocate the money to infrastructure, specifically the Interstate highway system. Voilà (or "Wallah" in query-speak), problem solved.

There you go...or god forbid we touch capital gains taxes!! But sadly Obama lurvs war and wants moar....so I wouldn't count on that being too valid. Could have 700k troops over there at any time.

how bout we wall LIBZ/DUMZ into a coupla States and WALL EM IN.....infrastructure em in

Sweet, we get the west coast you guys get the dirty south

The solution to all of the ills of the Statist's Utopia is always...yet another program...a carve-out...and exception...a rebate...a tax credit....

...to undo the unjust damage they do to the many...in an effort to fvck the few...

Every scheme...is a fix for the fallout from the last scheme...it's endless...

Right...but the roads need to be fixed and you still like having public services and amenities of the 1st world.

So do we tax gas and thus everything, or do we tax specifics as far away from the indigent as possible?

Raising the cost of a tag would hurt people the same way. Any business that has a car or fleet of cars would theoretically pass that cost on to consumers if the market would allow them to.

We're also talking about this on the federal level. Would people have to register their cars on the state AND federal level? Would the feds just tack on extra fees for tags and let the states do all the work? Pretty much the same with speeding tickets.

You're right...I like Robs suggestion.....cancel space weapons we don't need, are never going to use and don't have the money for in the first place and put the money into M'uricuh. Should be a good bit of coin.

We could also stand to cancel all sorts of foreign aid so....that would generate some serious lootz.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

if only you had a job and 'earned' money

There you go...or god forbid we touch capital gains taxes!!



Sweet, we get the west coast you guys get the dirty south



Right...but the roads need to be fixed and you still like having public services and amenities of the 1st world.

So do we tax gas and thus everything, or do we tax specifics?





You're right...I like Robs suggestion.....cancel space weapons we don't need, are never going to use and don't have the money for in the first place and put the money into M'uricuh.

 

[BotanyBoy]

what the 'government' needs to do is fire fucktards like yourself then end the ponzi plan aka pension system. use the pension system to pay for the infrastructure

Good luck getting people to fight your wars, build your roads and wipe your ass for you for minimum wage-lower middle class incomes without benefits and a pension LOL

NEM- "I want all my public services for FREE!!" lol so much RW responsibility.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I can't argue with cutting the military complex down.

 

[BotanyBoy]

if only you had a job and 'earned' money

We have been over this NEM.....statistically speaking it's highly probable that I pay more in taxes than you gross. Oh and the US government sends me about 44k a year tax free AND arguably some of the best HC available in the USA on top of it all FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

Think about that next time you go cheering for WHARRRZ!!

I can't argue with cutting the military complex down.

I'm pretty sure if we sent a committee in to clean up non essential bullshit programs we could find more than enough money already being collected to do some serious infrastructure maintenance/repair/rebuilding.

HC/Education/petro/tech industries are LOADED with bullshit funding and pork garbage spending, subsidies etc. we could cut off as well.