Is Fox News for real ?

[oggbashan]

The Times today reports that war zone reporters have been sent into Birmingham (renamed 'Birming' because 'ham' is offensive to Muslims) and Solihull (renamed 'Solihalal') to find the no-go areas.

They haven't found them. They have only found people laughing at Fox News, particularly the description of Birmingham as a 'beautiful city' - which they didn't find either.

They had horrendous experiences getting in and out of Birmingham. The obstacle to their progress is called 'The M6'. There were road blocks with locals demanding money to allow the war reporters to pass unscathed. Those road blocks were called 'The M6 Toll'.

But all the reporters have survived their ordeal.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Times today reports that war zone reporters have been sent into Birmingham (renamed 'Birming' because 'ham' is offensive to Muslims) and Solihull (renamed 'Solihalal') to find the no-go areas.

They haven't found them. They have only found people laughing at Fox News, particularly the description of Birmingham as a 'beautiful city' - which they didn't find either.

They had horrendous experiences getting in and out of Birmingham. The obstacle to their progress is called 'The M6'. There were road blocks with locals demanding money to allow the war reporters to pass unscathed. Those road blocks were called 'The M6 Toll'.

But all the reporters have survived their ordeal.

I occasionally watch the FOX BUSINESS CHANNEL, and much of what they report is nonsense. Most news forums are larded with nonsense. The difference is FOX news tastes like beer and MSNBC tastes like prune juice or shit from Mooochelle's faux garden. FOX makes its gals, conservative and liberal, dress and groom sexy. Rachel Maddow looks like a gay freshman not old enough to shave.

 

[ishtat]

. The purpose of a news program is to report major stories as accurately as possible. It's not to entertain or titillate or bolster people's prejudices. .

I agree with your first point, but not your second. If news 'vendors' fail to entertain, their audience shrinks, so they must entertain to maintain revenue.

All the networks have a common fault, they all broadcast opinion as fact - as news. They are all as bad as each other in this.

I also think that most people are smart enough to discount the rubbish that Fox and all the other networks put out.

What saddens me is that there is not a single politician, in the USA, in UK, or in Murdoch's home country that has the guts to take him on and tell the world what an asshole the man is. I am convinced that if someone had the courage, they would have every other news networks on side in a heartbeat.

We basically have the media we deserve, because no-one has the balls to do the character assassination on Murdoch that he so willingly does on others.

Finally, US media is generally pretty tame compared say with the London, the French or Australian markets. You have nothing so mindbogglingly awful as the Daily Mail(London) or the Sydney Telegraph, let alone the French magazine Charlie whatsit? Despite the events of this week I am confident that magazine would never be published anywhere outside France, because it is uttely offensive to everyone. Hard to believe, but American journalism standards, including Fox compare pretty well with other countries.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

About 10 years ago the PC owner of the Tampa TRIBUNE/WFLA handed the operation over to a crew of gals, damn near killing the paper and teevee station. National pundits like George Will and Krauthammer were replaced by kids with prom-gown angst, geezer reunions, and adjunct perfessers exposing their alternative life-styles. It got so bad the mother ship hadda sell the operation to a gang of white guys or go bankrupt. I see the ST.PETE TIMES has pared several of its militant negroes and ACLU terrorists and Femi-Nazis from the editorial pages. Their crap bores readers. No one wants LADY VER 24/7.

 

[sethp]

Fox News is definitely the worst news source....maybe only rivaled by the stupid that comes from talk radio. I've found that people that watch Fox News are usually quite stupid.

Case in point, when the terror attack happened in France, I was skipping around from hnn, cnn, msnbc, CBS, abc. And fox....trying to get as much live info as possible...Fox was busy lampooning Obama...wtf? No news there...just smug assholes that I would never invite into my own home.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Fox News is definitely the worst news source....maybe only rivaled by the stupid that comes from talk radio. I've found that people that watch Fox News are usually quite stupid.

Case in point, when the terror attack happened in France, I was skipping around from hnn, cnn, msnbc, CBS, abc. And fox....trying to get as much live info as possible...Fox was busy lampooning Obama...wtf? No news there...just smug assholes that I would never invite into my own home.

You still don't get it. People don't wanna watch MSNBC and CNN. Theyre losing money and in danger of going away. And until they fire the faggots and hire folks who aren't sniffing rainbows from unicorn asses things will get worse.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Fox News is the propaganda machine of the Republican party and has been since it's inception in 1996. FN was conceived, designed, and implemented by Roger Ailes. Ailes was discovered by Richard Nixon 1967, and brought on board by Nixon to serve as his executive producer for television. Ailes served as a campaign consultant to Ronald Reagan in 1984, and to George H.W. Bush in 1988.

Ailes was hired by Rupert Murdoch to launch Fox News in 1996. The blueprint for Fox News was actually conceived in 1970. At that time, he and other Nixon aides produced a memorandum titled "A Plan for Putting the GOP on TV News." The thrust of the memo was the concept of by-passing the networks and feeding stories favorable to the administration directly to local television stations. The theory was that people wanted their thinking done for them:

Today television news is watched more often than people read newspapers, than people listen to the radio, than people read or gather any other form of communication. The reason: People are lazy. With television you just sit—watch—listen. The thinking is done for you.

The memo urged the creation of of a network to provide pro-Administration, videotape, hard news actualities to the major cities of the United States.

This is a plan that places news of importance to localities (Senators and representatives are newsmakers of importance to their localities) on local television news programs while it is still news. It avoids the censorship, the priorities, and the prejudices of network news selectors and disseminators.

The idea was that this GOP news outlet would record an interview with a Republican lawmaker in the morning, rush the tape to National Airport via truck, where it is edited into a package en route, and flown to the lawmaker's district in time to make the local news. Local stations, the writer surmised, would be happy to take the free programming. The plan is spectacularly detailed—it was no idle pipe dream. The writer estimated that it would cost $310,000 to launch and slightly less than that to run each year, sketched out a 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. schedule with shooting times, editing times, flight times, and arrival times, and estimated that the editing truck—"Ford, GMC, or IHS chassis; V8 engine; 5 speed transmission; air conditioning; Weight: 22,000GVW"—could be "build from chassis in 60 days." In other words, they were serious.

Ailes handwritten notes on the memo demonstrate his enthusiastic support for the concept. He wrote:

Basically a very good idea. It should be expanded to include other members of the administration such as cabinet involved in activity with regional or local interest. Also could involve GOP governors when in DC. Who would purchase equipment and run operation—White House? RNC? Congressional caucus? Will get some flap about news management.

Bob (Haldeman)—if you decide to go ahead we would as a production company like to bid on packaging the entire project. I know what has to be done and we could test the feasibility for 90 days without making a commitment beyond that point.

The original idea never got off the ground, but a few years later Ailes went to work for Television News Incorporated (TVN), a right-wing news service funded by Joseph Coors. TVN was designed to inject a far-right slant into local news broadcasts by providing news clips that stations could use without credit—and at a fraction of the true costs of production. TVN died in 1975, but it clearly provided the format that Ailes would implement 20 years later with the more powerful and better funded cable network.

http://gawker.com/5814150/roger-ailes-secret-nixon-era-blueprint-for-fox-news

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Fox News is the propaganda machine of the Republican party and has been since it's inception in 1996. FN was conceived, designed, and implemented by Roger Ailes. Ailes was discovered by Richard Nixon 1967, and brought on board by Nixon to serve as his executive producer for television. Ailes served as a campaign consultant to Ronald Reagan in 1984, and to George H.W. Bush in 1988.

Ailes was hired by Rupert Murdoch to launch Fox News in 1996. The blueprint for Fox News was actually conceived in 1970. At that time, he and other Nixon aides produced a memorandum titled "A Plan for Putting the GOP on TV News." The thrust of the memo was the concept of by-passing the networks and feeding stories favorable to the administration directly to local television stations. The theory was that people wanted their thinking done for them:



The memo urged the creation of of a network to provide pro-Administration, videotape, hard news actualities to the major cities of the United States.



The idea was that this GOP news outlet would record an interview with a Republican lawmaker in the morning, rush the tape to National Airport via truck, where it is edited into a package en route, and flown to the lawmaker's district in time to make the local news. Local stations, the writer surmised, would be happy to take the free programming. The plan is spectacularly detailed—it was no idle pipe dream. The writer estimated that it would cost $310,000 to launch and slightly less than that to run each year, sketched out a 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. schedule with shooting times, editing times, flight times, and arrival times, and estimated that the editing truck—"Ford, GMC, or IHS chassis; V8 engine; 5 speed transmission; air conditioning; Weight: 22,000GVW"—could be "build from chassis in 60 days." In other words, they were serious.

Ailes handwritten notes on the memo demonstrate his enthusiastic support for the concept. He wrote:





The original idea never got off the ground, but a few years later Ailes went to work for Television News Incorporated (TVN), a right-wing news service funded by Joseph Coors. TVN was designed to inject a far-right slant into local news broadcasts by providing news clips that stations could use without credit—and at a fraction of the true costs of production. TVN died in 1975, but it clearly provided the format that Ailes would implement 20 years later with the more powerful and better funded cable network.

http://gawker.com/5814150/roger-ailes-secret-nixon-era-blueprint-for-fox-news

But MSNBC still smells like old shit and no one watches it.

 

[TxRad]

But MSNBC still smells like old shit and no one watches it.

Poor JBJ. Too much koolaid.

It may smell like old shit to you but it's the actual news and not propaganda.

 

[sr71plt]

I agree with your first point, but not your second. If news 'vendors' fail to entertain, their audience shrinks, so they must entertain to maintain revenue.

True, but I stick to my definition of how a news program should be judged--on the quality of the news it covers, not on the size of its audience or even its ability to survive. And I don't think the purpose of a high-quality is to entertain. The best--NPR and BBC (usually--it can become colonialist) have to be supported. They still are the best for the function I believe news programs are supposed to perform.

All the networks have a common fault, they all broadcast opinion as fact - as news. They are all as bad as each other in this.

I think this overstates it. Yes, anyone who views/relates anything is doing so through their own biases. But, no, all "news" sources aren't all as bad as each other. And Fox is among the worst for biased reporting.

I also think that most people are smart enough to discount the rubbish that Fox and all the other networks put out.

I can't agree with this either. I think most people seek out affirmation of what they already want to believe. (And that, no, that most people seek out the fringe reporting sources just shows that most people aren't all that smart.)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Poor JBJ. Too much koolaid.

It may smell like old shit to you but it's the actual news and not propaganda.

MSNBC stinks with no help from me. The question is why cant you package it and NPR and the others so they appeal to viewers. Packard was a better car than Cadillac but it went away because it appealed to old ladies.

 

[sr71plt]

You're obviously stuck in believing that the function of news reporting is to entertain or affirm prejudices, JBJ, rather than to inform.

 

[TxRad]

You're obviously stuck in believing that the function of news reporting is to entertain or affirm prejudices, JBJ, rather than to inform.

Like I said, too much Kookaid.

 

[sr71plt]

That's where I think a whole lot of people aren't too smart. They want to be entertained at all times and they don't want to have their prejudices challenged.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You're obviously stuck in believing that the function of news reporting is to entertain or affirm prejudices, JBJ, rather than to inform.

I contend news organizations exist via advertising or subscription revenues, and when they cant pay the bills due to too few viewers management requires a better business model that makes money. Its no different from operating a café where you feature a menu with liver and Brussels sprouts, carrots & peas, and prune cocktail. That is, you hired Moochelle Obamullah for your head chef and diners fled to McDonalds.

Back in the 60s David Frost hosted THAT WAS THE WEEK THAT WAS, a fairly liberal news magazine. It was pretty funny. Today your ass would crack if you smiled. You have no sense of humor.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I also think that most people are smart enough to discount the rubbish that Fox and all the other networks put out.

God, I wish :-/

I have a friend. Smart, witty, kind. Love her dearly, she's been there for me time after time when I needed support.

And she gets her news from Fox, and believes that Obama is a secret Muslim who's planning to put her in a FEMA death camp. As best I can see, it's a little like people who grow up in abusive families and don't recognise them as abusive because they don't get to see what the alternatives look like.

 

[DeYaKen]

Remember, Fox is owned and run by Rupert Murdoch, the guy who had two of his newspapers in England shut down because they were hacking people's phones. This is the same company who has outright told its people to sway stories to present the best light for Republicans and has told their on-air women employees to wear short dresses/skirts and placed them front and center.

Just a slight correction here. It was only one (so called) newspaper that was shut down, The News of the World. Murdoch himself shut it down in an effort to deflect the hostility away from the parent company News International. The editor of NotW at the time Andy Coulson was press secretary for David Cameron (prime Minister) and is now in prison. Murdoch was implicated but it was not proved that he sanctioned the illegal acts.

Murdoch is the man largely held responsible for what is known as "Tit and Knickers" journalism

 

[Handley_Page]

The Times today reports that war zone reporters have been sent into Birmingham (renamed 'Birming' because 'ham' is offensive to Muslims) and Solihull (renamed 'Solihalal') to find the no-go areas.

They haven't found them. They have only found people laughing at Fox News, particularly the description of Birmingham as a 'beautiful city' - which they didn't find either.

They had horrendous experiences getting in and out of Birmingham. The obstacle to their progress is called 'The M6'. There were road blocks with locals demanding money to allow the war reporters to pass unscathed. Those road blocks were called 'The M6 Toll'.

But all the reporters have survived their ordeal.

I suspect that not many readers will understand this humour, Ogg, sad to say.
But I think it's damned good.

 

[redzinger]

I suspect that not many readers will understand this humour, Ogg, sad to say.
But I think it's damned good.

Yeah, and don't even mention Spaghetti Junction.

 

[DeYaKen]

Yeah, and don't even mention Spaghetti Junction.

That must be in the Italian Muslim quarter.

 

[sr71plt]

I can recommend that you not check into the Novotel Hotel "at" the Birmingham airport either for convenience to the airport or for hotel amenities.

 

[redzinger]

I was very disgruntled to discover that they don't sell houmous at Birmingham Airport Railway Station the other day, the M&S is at the actual airport.

 

[Handley_Page]

I can recommend that you not check into the Novotel Hotel "at" the Birmingham airport either for convenience to the airport or for hotel amenities.

Well, they ain't an English company.