President Obama's energy policies result in 5 1/2 year low for oil

[Busybody]

Which of Obama's energy policies, as referenced above, directly resulted in, or even tangentially influenced, the current low price of oil?

Been over two weeks. No answer from our gracious host.

he WILLED it and it was SO

 

[Busybody]

Which of Obama's energy policies, as referenced above, directly resulted in, or even tangentially influenced, the current low price of oil?

Been over two weeks. No answer from our gracious host.

Policy?

I will tell you HIS POLICY

His POLICY was in 2009 to LEND/GIVE about $4 billion to PETROBAS to DRILL off of FLORIDA,

while DENYING US COMPANIES of drilling rights


about ONE MONTH after his huge campaign donor SOROS invested a few billion in PETROBAS

1%

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

Turns out that, so far, in all of Google there aren't even any Salon Articles or RationalWiki citations claiming that Obama enacted any policies that were intended to or had the effect of increasing oil production.

He has better priorities than that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Which of Obama's energy policies, as referenced above, directly resulted in, or even tangentially influenced, the current low price of oil?

Been over two weeks. No answer from our gracious host.

Doesn't matter...happened on his watch, he did it.

 

[Busybody]

Yes

True

But not responsive to thread intent

Your response, in effect says it all

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes

True

But not responsive to thread intent

Your response, in effect says it all

Doesn't matter...happened on his watch, he gets credit.

Sorry RWCJ....can't have it both ways, oil is at an all time low because Obama.

 

[Que]

Doesn't matter...happened on his watch, he gets credit.

Sorry RWCJ....can't have it both ways, oil is at an all time low because Obama.

This suggestion of yours is an acceptable circumlocution. Robbie hadn't thought of that. The judges would have also accepted a clip of Obama saying "Under my administration, oil production and the burning of fossil fuels is greater than ever!" Because that would also be true.

The thread title is not true. Had he said, "On Obams's watch fuel prices have plummeted.' this would also work.

Robbie is not creative enough to make that leap though.

 

[Que]

He has better priorities than that.

This supports my contention that Robbie's thesis is fatally flawed, in that his policies have priorities that are "better" (as you suggest) than the sort of policies that would have led to increased production and therefore the lower prices and increased consumption we are seeing.

It would be directly against Obama's stated energy policies to cause oil prices to fall through increases in production for environmental reasons.

Odd that you get this and Phrodeau a devout worshiper of Gaia does not.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Doesn't matter...happened on his watch, he gets credit.

Sorry RWCJ....can't have it both ways, oil is at an all time low because Obama.

Pshaw, double standards are coin of the realm in Wingnut Nation.

 

[phrodeau]

This supports my contention that Robbie's thesis is fatally flawed, in that his policies have priorities that are "better" (as you suggest) than the sort of policies that would have led to increased production and therefore the lower prices and increased consumption we are seeing.

It would be directly against Obama's stated energy policies to cause oil prices to fall through increases in production for environmental reasons.

Odd that you get this and Phrodeau a devout worshiper of Gaia does not.

You still can't quite put your finger on those "stated energy policies" you claim stifle oil production.

 

[Que]

You still can't quite put your finger on those "stated energy policies" you claim stifle oil production.

I have said that the private sector on private land out of reach of (most) Federal policies have more than overcome any effect of Obama's policies the other direction such as restricting acreage that was previously available for exploration, and slow walking permits.

If you would like to debate that, start a thread saying that none of Obama's policies have had the goal or effect of curtailing production.

This is the thread for how they have lowered prices and thereby encouraged fossil fuel consumption. Something I am surprised you are not decrying. Is that what you hoped he meant by an "All of the above energy policy?"

 

[phrodeau]

I have said that the private sector on private land out of reach of (most) Federal policies have more than overcome any effect of Obama's policies the other direction such as restricting acreage that was previously available for exploration, and slow walking permits.

If you would like to debate that, start a thread saying that none of Obama's policies have had the goal or effect of curtailing production.

This is the thread for how they have lowered prices and thereby encouraged fossil fuel consumption. Something I am surprised you are not decrying. Is that what you hoped he meant by an "All of the above energy policy?"

Where was acreage restricted? Which permits were delayed?

You keep saying the same thing over and over again, without backing up your spurious claims.

Here are some actual facts, which you can ponder and try to find a way to spin as somehow curtailing production.

Onshore, nearly 36.1 million acres of federal land were under lease to oil and gas companies last year. Of that land, over 12.6 million acres were actively producing oil and gas – the highest acreage under production since 2008. Last year, the Interior Department’s Bureau of Land Management (BLM) held 30 separate oil and gas lease sales, offering 5.7 million acres for lease by industry, the most in a decade.

Even as sales have gone up, processing time for onshore drilling permits has gone down – last year, it took an average of 194 days to process an APD, down from 228 in 2012 and faster than any time since 2005.

Offshore, the Interior Department’s Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) offered 59 million acres for lease by industry in the Gulf of Mexico last year, and industry submitted bids on 3 percent of these acres, resulting in $1.3 billion in high bids. The current Five Year Offshore Oil and Gas Leasing Program includes 15 potential lease sales in six planning areas that comprise some of the richest and most promising areas for oil and gas exploration and development.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014...tion-part-president-obama-s-all-above-energy-

 

[mikey2much]

A lot of people are working against their interest

American oil producers usually shut down wells until the price goes up, yet they keep producing as the price falls this time.

OPEC caved in to the desires of Saudi Arabia and said they would not cut production in the face of falling prices.

And Russia, who has rattled our cage a few times lately, is facing a dire situation with few good choices.

This could be a form of economic warfare. This could be my man OBAMA kicking some commie ass. He just does his best shit in a very low key sort of way.

My man President OBAMA, the Commander in Chief, kicking Russia's ass without firing a shot. Saving the world from the evil designs of the right and the commies, or this could be just really good shit I'm smoking tonight.

 

[Que]

American oil producers usually shut down wells until the price goes up, yet they keep producing as the price falls this time.

OPEC caved in to the desires of Saudi Arabia and said they would not cut production in the face of falling prices.

And Russia, who has rattled our cage a few times lately, is facing a dire situation with few good choices.

This could be a form of economic warfare. This could be my man OBAMA kicking some commie ass. He just does his best shit in a very low key sort of way.

My man President OBAMA, the Commander in Chief, kicking Russia's ass without firing a shot. Saving the world from the evil designs of the right and the commies, or this could be just really good shit I'm smoking tonight.

His best work is so low key he has to find out about it in the paper.

 

[Disgustipated]

Obama's policy, is in opposition to the interests of American energy interests. His policy is a wacko environmental ideology, that has nothing to do with real energy production.

You've whined for years that he doesn't have a policy. Make up your mind.

 

[Que]

Where was acreage restricted? Which permits were delayed?

You keep saying the same thing over and over again, without backing up your spurious claims.

Here are some actual facts, which you can ponder and try to find a way to spin as somehow curtailing production.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014...tion-part-president-obama-s-all-above-energy-

You keep using words like "curtailing" and "stifling" to counter my contention that he has done nothing designed to "increase" production.

Production should and does increase over time in every area we explore for oil. The question is does this administration actively look to foster exploration or does it impede exploration?

I posted the Committee on Natural Resources press release on the subject before. You were not the least interested. You seem to think that the White House's, carefully massaged statement with a few cherry picked numbers is not designed to give the misunderstanding that they are encouraging, rather than discouraging production.

When you greenies were excoriating Bush/Cheney for their Haliburtan-friendly oil policy, do you now maintain that Obama is equally friendly to the oil industry, or not?

If not, then how is that a policy that encourages oil production? In what way did he shut the door on policies that you felt were overly friendly to the oil industry?

You cannot pat him on the back for conserving resources and discouraging fossil fuel usage and production, and pat him on the back for being somehow the author of an environment the encouraged the current boom.

You have to choose as I keep telling you, and you keep saying "both!"

The fact that oil is up, as Botony Boy puts it "under his watch" including to a very minor extent on federal lands is not the same as saying he encouraged it in anyway. The fact that he was not able to get in the way is not points in his favor.

With record high oil prices, every oil company on the planet was looking to ramp up drilling. The fact that a few of them made it past the hurdles is great. It does not speak to what the increase in those numbers would have been had such barriers such as increased approval times were not erected.

You are the one saying "how did he curtail production?" He didn't. He tried to- as I stated. He failed. You want to give him credit for sucking at obstruction.

You keep inverting the argument. The argument remains, "What policy of the Obama administration had the effect or even the stated goal of increasing production?" The answer to that is "There were no such policies."

He doesn't have to succeed at cutting production to have had no policies designed to increase production. For his purposes had he succeeded in slowing the rate of increase of production over projections, that would have been a victory. He was overwhelmed by events he had no control over.

Had all the wells dried up, as they will by 2019 or 2021, you would not be blaming him for that, and you would be excusing him for all the wells that were never drilled. When replacement wells that were never drilled are not pumping under the next administration, I seriously doubt you will look back and say Obama should have approved more permits than he did.

There was one and only one statement of pro-oil policy that I could find, but no follow-up since. He is supposed to be approving some permitting for oil exploration (but not drilling yet) off of the east coast. That is a step in the right direction, but has no bearing at all on current prices, which was the point of Robbie's failed, undefended thesis.

 

[Busybody]

Doesn't matter...happened on his watch, he gets credit.

Sorry RWCJ....can't have it both ways, oil is at an all time low because Obama.

Libya becomes terrorist

Russia lost

ISIS born

Benghazi

IRS

Fast n Furious

etc

HIS WATCH

 

[Busybody]

WELL, THEY PROMISED “CHANGE.” Dems change tune after mocking GOP for ‘drill, baby, drill.’



Back when gas topped $4 a gallon, Republicans chanted “drill, baby, drill” at rallies across the country — arguing more domestic drilling would increase supplies, reduce dependence on foreign oil and boost the U.S. economy.

Democrats, almost universally, mocked the GOP plan. In 2012, President Obama called it “a slogan, a gimmick, and a bumper sticker … not a strategy.”

“They were waving their three-point plans for $2-a-gallon gas,” Obama told a laughing audience during an energy speech in Washington. “You remember that? Drill, baby, drill. We were going through all that. And none of it was really going to do anything to solve the problem.”

“‘Drill, baby, drill’ won’t lower gas prices today or tomorrow,” Rep. Janice Hahn, D-Calif., echoed on the floor of Congress in 2012. “But it will fuel our addiction to fossil fuel.”


Today, Democrats are singing a different tune, as increased domestic drilling has led to a record supply of domestic crude, put some $100 billion into the pockets of U.S. consumers and sent world oil prices tumbling.


They fought the law (of supply and demand) and the law won.

 

[Busybody]

didn't you LIBZ say that it takes TEN YRS from drilling to market?

so lets all say THANK YOU PRES BUSH!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6C0dgfIQAAa9G2.png

 

[Busybody]

Which of his state policies that have the effect of curtailing production did he reverse in order to cause the increase in production and earn him this acclaim?

are we #still waiting?

 

[Que]

are we #still waiting?

Phrodeau keeps sticking his head above the parapet with one conflicted position after another. I am certain he sees no inconsistencies in his diametrically opposed positions, but at least he articulates one.

Not so with our ever-congenial host.

He shows up whenever he thinks someone has scored a point in the general direction of "Why yes, Obama DID cause low oil prices while not encouraging drilling!"

When that gets hammered back over the net, he goes and makes an alt.

I think this thread is even more of an embarrassment to him than you would think. The premise is pretty dumb, even for Robbie.

He could have just said on page one..."OK, maybe he didn't cause the increase, but he didn't get in the way much either, so THERE!"

Two weeks and not a single sentence uttered in behalf of his thesis. Hell, I've written two on his behalf. They are weak, even as fig leafs, but they are all that is available. He should take them and say thanks.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Libya becomes terrorist

Russia lost

ISIS born

Benghazi

IRS

Fast n Furious

etc

HIS WATCH

Most of which are non issue for anyone other than the bat shit RW....but yea, if your lot can blame him for everything that happens on planet Earth while he is POTUS, at least be consistent about it.

 

[phrodeau]

Phrodeau keeps sticking his head above the parapet with one conflicted position after another. I am certain he sees no inconsistencies in his diametrically opposed positions, but at least he articulates one.

Not so with our ever-congenial host.

He shows up whenever he thinks someone has scored a point in the general direction of "Why yes, Obama DID cause low oil prices while not encouraging drilling!"

When that gets hammered back over the net, he goes and makes an alt.

I think this thread is even more of an embarrassment to him than you would think. The premise is pretty dumb, even for Robbie.

He could have just said on page one..."OK, maybe he didn't cause the increase, but he didn't get in the way much either, so THERE!"

Two weeks and not a single sentence uttered in behalf of his thesis. Hell, I've written two on his behalf. They are weak, even as fig leafs, but they are all that is available. He should take them and say thanks.

Where was acreage restricted? Which permits were delayed?

 

[Busybody]

Most of which are non issue for anyone other than the bat shit RW....but yea, if your lot can blame him for everything that happens on planet Earth while he is POTUS, at least be consistent about it.

You mean

Russia LOST

ISIS born

IRS

Libya=terrorist state

isn't really an issue?

yes, I know, the NIGGER DEFENSE team is in offense mode against us all....but really