Free Speech in Saudi Arabia

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People from all over the world are giving attention to the threat to free speech in Paris.

Saudi Arabia is where the whole system prevents free speech from being heard-

"Saudi authorities are ramping up their crackdown on people who peacefully criticize the government on the Internet"

Human Rights Watch recently warned that "Saudi authorities are ramping up their crackdown on people who peacefully criticize the government on the Internet." It said that judges and prosecutors are using "vague provisions of a 2007 anti-cybercrime law to charge and try Saudi citizens for peaceful tweets and social media comments."

Souad Al-Shammary

Wahhabi clergy have a worldview that insists on separating Muslims from non-Muslims. They consider a Muslim -- Sunni male -- supreme. To differentiate him from non-Muslims, they call on him to grow long beard.

Souad Al-Shammary known for her witty clarity spotted the contradiction and called the idea 'silly.'

She tweeted that "Jews, priests, Communists and Marxists" also wear beards.

How did the those in power respond to her joke ?

Saudi authorities blocked her bank account, stopped her salary, prevented her from registering one of her daughters in college.

She lost her job. She lost her pension.

They launched a smearing campaign against her on twitter and elsewhere.

A campaign of harassment was orchestrated targeting her children.

February 2013, a case was reportedly brought against her by religious clerics accusing her of insulting Islam.

She was banned from travelling since March 2013.

Arabic Network for Human Rights Information (ANHRI) condemned on Tuesday the arrest of Saudi women rights defender Souad Al-Shammary because of a tweet in which she describes Saudi society as “male-dominant.”

Al-Shammary was arrested and subject to her first interrogation session on 28 October 2014, at the Bureau of Investigation in Jeddah. Her lawyer was prevented from attending the session, said ANHRI. Authorities accused her of provoking rebellion and promoting cynicism towards religious texts and religious scholars.

January 9, 2015

Blogger Raef Badawi, gave free speech a space for expression. He was flogged after the weekly Friday prayers near Al-Jafali mosque in the Red Sea city of Jeddah.He was given 50 lashes. He is expected to have 20 weekly whipping sessions until his punishment of 1,000 lashes is complete.

He will be serving a 10-year sentence. He was forced to pay a huge fine.

Rael Badawi is the co-founder of the now-banned Saudi Liberal Network along with women's rights campaigner Suad al-Shammari, who was also accused of insulting Islam.

Loujain al-Hathloul

Maysa al-Amoudi

Saudi authorities in late December referred to the Specialized Criminal Court in Riyadh, which handles terrorism matters, the case of two Saudi women active in the campaign to allow women to drive.

Referral of the two women, Loujain al-Hathloul and Maysa al-Amoudi, appears to be based on statements they made on Twitter, not on the act of driving itself.

It follows the criminal conviction in October of three lawyers -- Abdulrahman al-Subaihi, Bander al-Nogaithan, and Abdulrahman al-Rumaih -- for tweets that officials deemed critical of the Justice Ministry.


Al-Hathloul was stopped by border guards and her passport was confiscated for more than 24 hours when she attempted to cross the border Nov. 30 with a UAE driver's license in an act of defiance.

Al-Amoudi, a UAE-based Saudi journalist, was stopped when she went to deliver food and a blanket to al-Hathloul at the border, activists and relatives said. The women were formally arrested on Dec. 1.
 
I don't know if it's Saudi Arabia, but there is a woman who is being if I recall correctly executed for stepping on the Koran. Oh dear. Deary dear. :eek:

And forget free speech there. Women can't even drive. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know if it's Saudi Arabia, but there is a woman who is being if I recall correctly executed for stepping on the Koran. Oh dear. Deary dear. :eek:

Muslims are weird about the Koran. Christians are not all that hung up about desecration of Bibles, but every copy* of the Koran is a sacred artifact. It's the only thing about Islam that might be considered idolatrous.

* In the original Arabic, that is. Any translation of the Koran is, to Muslims, not the Koran but a commentary on the Koran.
 
Muslims are weird about the Koran. Christians are not all that hung up about desecration of Bibles, but every copy* of the Koran is a sacred artifact. It's the only thing about Islam that might be considered idolatrous.

* In the original Arabic, that is. Any translation of the Koran is, to Muslims, not the Koran but a commentary on the Koran.

Muslims are Muslims for nothing. They don't believe in Messiahs. Jews and Christians do and our belief in the Messiah is why we worship. So what the hell are Muslims doing? Just perpetuating archaic and barbaric traditions for nothing.

My ex did an article on them:

A video about an anti-Islamic speaker from England who my ex avidly supports


And excerpt from a draft of one his editorials:

"No brainwashing here. I almost kicked the life out of a man for allowing his son to run and spit at me in a muslim area. I looked at the man thinking he would do something but he just gave a sinister smile that said "thats right thats what you get". I've seen muslims grooming girls in broad daylight. in 2005 i saw muslims run out their mosque pre-rallied, masked, armed and ready to attack black people. which they did. I saw a man get off from raping a child due to the fact that he was so islamic and so alienated from western society that he was seen as not culpable for his actions. I saw a girl wear the niqab in court refuse to take it off and succeed. I've seen the rotheram case, the rochdale case, the whole library of documentaries by channel 4 showing what is taught in mosques and showing the pedophile gangs. I went to school with asians who would beat up other kids for not eating halal and who supported osama bin laden and laughed at people getting their heads cut off in iraq. I have seen this "Jihad" attitude on a macro and micro level. so you trying to B.S. me about whats real and proppaganda isn't gonna run here. I've seen it. heard it, felt it.

the prophet mohamed murdered, raped, enslaved, betrayed his allies, massacred in cold blood, and was a pedophile. he laughed at his wives getting beaten. this is the man that muslims hold so dear. who they aim to live their lives after. he is scum. he lived a barbaric life only comparable to genghis khan. his teachings and legacy reflect this. I have read exerpts from the quran from http://quran.com/ it doesnt get much more universially standardized than that.

tbh i find the history and events of mohamed and his subsequent caliphates much more disturbing. I mean the koran already set the bar low. and they even broke those rules. I mean mohamed even even broke his own rules himself. and are you admitting that the koran is dangerous when written in english?

no slaves were not treated well. arabs still promoted chattel slavery. it was the ottomans that had a more lax view on what slavery was. arabs and muslims had a similar barbaric attitude towards slaves.
infact the islamic slave trade is alive and well. islam started enslaving blacks first and they will be the last to stop. i mean the very word for a black person in arabic is slave. they are the same word.

and I have read what islamic scholars many of them highly respect and what they wrote about black people and/or the Zanj. its disgusting. infact the racist attitudes the islamic world held towards blacks were what inspired the spanish which later inspired the attitude we saw during the transatlantic slave trade.

I am well aware of the current modern day islamic slave trade. I have seen the black people muslims have tied up outside. they are not highly esteemed i promise you. perhaps you should watch I am slave or look at how many black "maids" are turning up tortured and beaten to death lebanon. yet alone other darker parts of the muslim world like saudi arabia.

I am well aware of how non islamic things like female circumcision are VERY popular amongst and spreading via and in the muslim world.

I can't stand how muslims try to take advantage of peoples good nature by misleading them. you pray on ignorant audiences to lead them into an idea of islam which simply isn't true.

you can be as condescending and ostentatious as you like with your flashing of bayes theorem as if to imply your contributions are working off of a superior logic. but the truth is your not.

you provided no proof. i new you couldnt because its a lie. my points been made. unless you have actual links references and sources to prove me wrong. then don't bother responding."

:kiss:
 
No one steps on a religious item, without the premeditated intention to offend, and insult.
To knock a person over, and to step on them, is an insult, and an abuse.
Is this, what you were referring to ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/kedibiti

A Turkish woman was arrested on suspicion of blasphemy and inciting religious hatred after allegedly stepping on Holy Quran and then posting the picture on Twitter, media reported on Wednesday.

The arrest came after Melih Gokcek, Ankara’s controversial mayor from the ruling Islamic-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP), launched a criminal complaint against the 38-year-old-woman, who uses the Twitter handle @kedihbiti (cat lice).
The woman, who has over 5,000 followers and describes herself as “an atheist who respects only humans”, allegedly shared a picture showing a pair of red high heels on a copy of the Quran, Dogan news agency reported.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2014/10/turkish-woman-arrested-for-stepping-on-the-quran/In

(The meme, that if you insult someone's religious book, you will magically be punished instantly, is amusing. Then, again, kharma does its thing, when it chooses to...)

A woman was arrested in Turkey this week after she posted a photo on Twitter of red-stilettoed feet standing on the Quran.

The unnamed woman in her mid-30s was taken into custody in Istanbul on Tuesday on suspicion of blasphemy and inciting religious hatred, Agence France Presse reported. She was released after questioning.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/turkey-stilettos-quran-tweet_n_6035198.html
 
Muslims are Muslims for nothing. They don't believe in Messiahs. Jews and Christians do and our belief in the Messiah is why we worship. So what the hell are Muslims doing?

They're worshiping God. Messiahs are not a defining element of religious faith as such, are they?

Actually, I believe Muslims, like Jews, believe in a Messiah to come in the future (but, like the Jewish Messiah, he will not be the Son of God).
 
Do we have anything, in Jesus the Christ's handwriting ? Do we have anything in Mohammed the Prophet's handwriting ? Do we have anything in Siddhartha's handwriting ?

(Human beings explore everything, everywhere. You never know what might be found.)
 
Muslims are Muslims for nothing. They don't believe in Messiahs. Jews and Christians do and our belief in the Messiah is why we worship. So what the hell are Muslims doing? Just perpetuating archaic and barbaric traditions for nothing.

My ex did an article on them:

A video about an anti-Islamic speaker from England who my ex avidly supports


And excerpt from a draft of one his editorials:

"No brainwashing here. I almost kicked the life out of a man for allowing his son to run and spit at me in a muslim area. I looked at the man thinking he would do something but he just gave a sinister smile that said "thats right thats what you get". I've seen muslims grooming girls in broad daylight. in 2005 i saw muslims run out their mosque pre-rallied, masked, armed and ready to attack black people. which they did. I saw a man get off from raping a child due to the fact that he was so islamic and so alienated from western society that he was seen as not culpable for his actions. I saw a girl wear the niqab in court refuse to take it off and succeed. I've seen the rotheram case, the rochdale case, the whole library of documentaries by channel 4 showing what is taught in mosques and showing the pedophile gangs. I went to school with asians who would beat up other kids for not eating halal and who supported osama bin laden and laughed at people getting their heads cut off in iraq. I have seen this "Jihad" attitude on a macro and micro level. so you trying to B.S. me about whats real and proppaganda isn't gonna run here. I've seen it. heard it, felt it.

the prophet mohamed murdered, raped, enslaved, betrayed his allies, massacred in cold blood, and was a pedophile. he laughed at his wives getting beaten. this is the man that muslims hold so dear. who they aim to live their lives after. he is scum. he lived a barbaric life only comparable to genghis khan. his teachings and legacy reflect this. I have read exerpts from the quran from http://quran.com/ it doesnt get much more universially standardized than that.

tbh i find the history and events of mohamed and his subsequent caliphates much more disturbing. I mean the koran already set the bar low. and they even broke those rules. I mean mohamed even even broke his own rules himself. and are you admitting that the koran is dangerous when written in english?

no slaves were not treated well. arabs still promoted chattel slavery. it was the ottomans that had a more lax view on what slavery was. arabs and muslims had a similar barbaric attitude towards slaves.
infact the islamic slave trade is alive and well. islam started enslaving blacks first and they will be the last to stop. i mean the very word for a black person in arabic is slave. they are the same word.

and I have read what islamic scholars many of them highly respect and what they wrote about black people and/or the Zanj. its disgusting. infact the racist attitudes the islamic world held towards blacks were what inspired the spanish which later inspired the attitude we saw during the transatlantic slave trade.

I am well aware of the current modern day islamic slave trade. I have seen the black people muslims have tied up outside. they are not highly esteemed i promise you. perhaps you should watch I am slave or look at how many black "maids" are turning up tortured and beaten to death lebanon. yet alone other darker parts of the muslim world like saudi arabia.

I am well aware of how non islamic things like female circumcision are VERY popular amongst and spreading via and in the muslim world.

I can't stand how muslims try to take advantage of peoples good nature by misleading them. you pray on ignorant audiences to lead them into an idea of islam which simply isn't true.

you can be as condescending and ostentatious as you like with your flashing of bayes theorem as if to imply your contributions are working off of a superior logic. but the truth is your not.

you provided no proof. i new you couldnt because its a lie. my points been made. unless you have actual links references and sources to prove me wrong. then don't bother responding."

:kiss:

So basically because your fairy tale has super heroes and there's doesn't yours is better? I guess that makes something that could be called sense in a crazy world.
 
No one steps on a religious item, without the premeditated intention to offend, and insult.
To knock a person over, and to step on them, is an insult, and an abuse.
Is this, what you were referring to ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/kedibiti

A Turkish woman was arrested on suspicion of blasphemy and inciting religious hatred after allegedly stepping on Holy Quran and then posting the picture on Twitter, media reported on Wednesday.

The arrest came after Melih Gokcek, Ankara’s controversial mayor from the ruling Islamic-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP), launched a criminal complaint against the 38-year-old-woman, who uses the Twitter handle @kedihbiti (cat lice).
The woman, who has over 5,000 followers and describes herself as “an atheist who respects only humans”, allegedly shared a picture showing a pair of red high heels on a copy of the Quran, Dogan news agency reported.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2014/10/turkish-woman-arrested-for-stepping-on-the-quran/In

(The meme, that if you insult someone's religious book, you will magically be punished instantly, is amusing. Then, again, kharma does its thing, when it chooses to...)

A woman was arrested in Turkey this week after she posted a photo on Twitter of red-stilettoed feet standing on the Quran.

The unnamed woman in her mid-30s was taken into custody in Istanbul on Tuesday on suspicion of blasphemy and inciting religious hatred, Agence France Presse reported. She was released after questioning.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/turkey-stilettos-quran-tweet_n_6035198.html

Yes, that is it. Thanks. I definitely don't condone it. I am not very supportive of Islam but I do not agree with desecration of holy or religious text. It's like spitting on a cross. Oh God forgive me for even saying that. :rose:
 
So basically because your fairy tale has super heroes and there's doesn't yours is better? I guess that makes something that could be called sense in a crazy world.

I don't know what you mean; your accusatory use of the word "you" threw me off. These are not my words, and then "fairy tale?"

Go on, I'm ready to argue this. Just articulate and elaborate.
 
I don't know what you mean; your accusatory use of the word "you" threw me off. These are not my words, and then "fairy tale?"

Go on, I'm ready to argue this. Just articulate and elaborate.

Those aren't your words? Interesting. You're very bad at deliniating what is and isn't your words. I would have assumed two things, first that words above the link are yours, and those below are being quoted. (By the way you're not supposed to post entire articles) And second that if you post something and don't offer a criticism of it that it you obviously agree with it. It's bullshit when Vette tries to pull that, "I'm just quoting people!"
 
Those aren't your words? Interesting. You're very bad at deliniating what is and isn't your words. I would have assumed two things, first that words above the link are yours, and those below are being quoted. (By the way you're not supposed to post entire articles) And second that if you post something and don't offer a criticism of it that it you obviously agree with it. It's bullshit when Vette tries to pull that, "I'm just quoting people!"

The whole text I already said it was written by someone else. I'd never just say something and fear judgement or criticism so preemptively say, not my words?

Have I ever done that? I never cop out.
I don't get why you're being so irrational and emotional. I didn't read the rest of what you said because it is a rant and you look crazy.

And it's not an entire article. It's what I was sent in a separate discussion. I don't agree or disagree but I love how he expressed himself, and it is relevant to the topic. And I can post whatever my man said if I fucking want to! :p

Why do people think internet spiels are cool? Fuck outta here.

Oh and

:kiss:


:rolleyes:
 
No, you didn't say the whole thing you wrote wasn't your own. But okay, like I said you just wrote it very awkwardly.
 
No, you didn't say the whole thing you wrote wasn't your own. But okay, like I said you just wrote it very awkwardly.

No. You are having a shit fit and didn't see what I clearly wrote. Shit ain't awkward with my post. :kiss:

And you always do the I'm-going-to-stop-directly-quoting-you thing like that hurts. Whatever lmao



And Botany Boy I don't get the use of fairy tale. I mean you get haha points sure. But it still isn't cohesive with the discussion. What do you mean by fairy tale? What is fairy tale about what you read? Because Sean said it or because you think it's...no wait. You're a grown man. I won't help you speak for yourself.
 
And the two of you failed to actually comment on any of the text. You just posted on your reservations of my intellectual capacity and the legitimacy of the text. I can't beg grown men. Drag a horse to water, it won't drink.
 
Hey lots of folks out there think their fairy tales are the right ones because they think their super hero can beat up the other super heroes.

"A religion is just a fandom that has been around a very long time."
 
And the two of you failed to actually comment on any of the text. You just posted on your reservations of my intellectual capacity and the legitimacy of the text. I can't beg grown men. Drag a horse to water, it won't drink.

I wasn't interested in the text, I was interested in why you think the inclusion of super heros makes your fairy tale better than the other fairy tale and then you claimed those weren't your words.
 
I wasn't interested in the text, I was interested in why you think the inclusion of super heros makes your fairy tale better than the other fairy tale and then you claimed those weren't your words.

What the fuck are you talking about?
Super heroes?
And I don't claim shit. They're not. What does it matter. Oh? The text doesn't matter to you? Then fuck off if you don't have anything to contribute. You're just nagging and dipshitting about if I said it or not. And you keep repeating super heroes and fairy tales like a child. That might have sufficed in former conversations on here with the other old farts on GB inoculated to idiocy and mediocrity,

but not with me. Good night Sean!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/05/c0/db/05c0dbafcf0ab8748cbd92314d8bbdc8.jpg
 
I think we can all agree that Saudi Arabia is a real shithole of a country, embiggened by oil money.
 
What the fuck are you talking about?
Super heroes?
And I don't claim shit. They're not. What does it matter. Oh? The text doesn't matter to you? Then fuck off if you don't have anything to contribute. You're just nagging and dipshitting about if I said it or not. And you keep repeating super heroes and fairy tales like a child. That might have sufficed in former conversations on here with the other old farts on GB inoculated to idiocy and mediocrity,

but not with me. Good night Sean!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/05/c0/db/05c0dbafcf0ab8748cbd92314d8bbdc8.jpg

You should really work on making your writing less confusing if you think you claimed that those weren't your words. And yes I'm having a bitch fit because I can't communicate with people who are so confusing that their own words don't say what they mean.

I don't suppose you can highlight where you claimed those were not your words? Because yes you do seem to be claiming exactly what I said.
 
hmmm-

What did Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson, say, that caught the attention Ministry of Justice ?

"The Ministry of Justice said an inmate cannot publish material if it contravenes prison policy, and this included sending it via a third party."

"The justice secretary has made it clear that it is totally unacceptable for prisoners to access social networking sites or instruct others to do so on their behalf."

Busted, in 2012

Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson, is charged with possession of a false identity document with improper intention.

Busted for drugs and assaults.

May 2013

(Now, this, is something that I saw on the American version of the BBC news.)

Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson started fundraising after the murder of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich on Wednesday.

But a Help for Heroes spokesman said a fundraising web page set up by Mr Robinson would be closed, and no EDL donations would be accepted.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22684489

The charity said it does not accept donations from any political party.

October 2014 Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson violates his parole.

27 November 2014
Mr. Tommy Robinson's real name is Stephen Lennon.

He left the EDL, in October 2013, because of the "increasingly racist elements within the group."

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson was previously jailed for 10 months, for using someone else's passport, to travel to the USA.

Lennon aka Robinson had previously been refused entry to the US, and he used the passport of Andrew McMaster to board a Virgin Atlantic flight to the USA.

Stephen Lennon, who calls himself Tommy Robinson, was sentenced in January to 18 months in prison for mortgage fraud.

Lennon aka Robinson as a "fixer" who had introduced others to fraudulent mortgage broker Deborah Rothschild. Rothschild, 44, admitted four charges of conspiring to commit fraud by false representation. A cousin of Robinson, Anjee Darcy, 31, admitted two offences of conspiring to commit fraud by misrepresentation and false accounting.

Steven Vowles, who admitted conspiring with others to obtain a mortgage by misrepresentation and transferring criminal property.

Lisa Moore, 28, admitted conspiracy to obtain a mortgage by fraudulent misrepresentation.

Yaxley-Lennon founded the EDL in 2009 after five Muslim men demonstrated in Luton against a homecoming parade by the Royal Anglian Regiment.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25110639
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25862838
 
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