At least 11 Dead in Paris

[Sean]

That ignores the French tradition of offensive satire and cartoons as a way of changing their culture. Charlie Hebdo was offensive to almost everyone, but that was a normal part of French political debate. Before the attack, Charlie Hedbo's circulation was small. It won't be now.

Satirical criticism of their rulers and the Catholic church was widespread before the French Revolution of 1789, and offensive satire is valued in France almost as much as the Declaration of Independence is in the US.

Most French satire is more subtle than Charlie Hebdo, which was at the extreme edge of what was acceptable.

The satire that was possible in France would not have been acceptable in the UK because our traditions are different. Our satire has more humour, is gentler, and rarely produces an angry reaction. Some people satirised by UK cartoons have asked for copies (or bought the original) of the cartoon criticising them. That had happened with a few Charlie Hebdo cartoons but most targets found the cartoon too cruel (and usually accurate!).

For the most part is was racist and unfunny. That doesn't mean they don't have the right to publish it without fear of getting their heads blown off.

 

[oggbashan]

Satire was pretty much as effective as the Maginot Line.

The Maginot Line was effective. It just wasn't long enough.

And the Maginot Line was satirised while it was being built, as a politicians' solution to saving money on Defence. It cost too much, took too long to build, used too many troops to man it, and didn't exist where it was most needed.

The gap opposite Belgium was where France had traditionally been invaded, right up to the First World War.

As Napoleon Bonaparte commented, when offered a military plan to defend France's borders that spread the troops thinly along the whole length:

"What are you trying to do? Stop smugglers?"

 

[about_average]

I hate hatred no matter from where it comes. I'm not exactly sure which Cristian leaders to whom you are referring, however, they are not taking hostages and cutting people's heads off with a knife.

I would think such people would be high on the radar of anyone who lost a loved one that day, but I'm talking about Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell (thankfully now dead).
And no, they haven't personally had anyone killed as far as I know, but they definitely said they deserved to die and Robertson has prayed for god to kill people and has no problem associating with people who have actively worked for laws to have people executed for not meeting "approved" sexual mores.

You talking about...the most Reverend...Jeremiah Wright...??

Yeah, Jeremiah Wright is a national leader with a huge donations to his organization.

 

[Wrong Element]

So I'm a "human piece of filth?" But you don't make personal attacks, you just cry when anyone does it to you.

You seem to think that you can post nonsense like calling Wrong Element a terrorist and not have anyone disagree with you or rightfully mock that viewpoint because it is so asinine that it defies belief.

LOL, and what difference does having me on ignore make when you still read my posts like you just did.

Oh, I've been called worse. It appears I offended him by mentioning the business in Colorado Springs -- a thread I started about 24 hours after the incident, which until then had gone unmentioned on this site, and which AJ apparently believes was a bald man taking revenge on a barber shop. That's possible, just not where I'd place my own bet.

I continue to maintain that there's something loose with your screws if, any time there's a terrorist incident anywhere in the world (even outside the United States), literally your first thought is "How do we blame this on Obama?"

 

[RobDownSouth]

I've gotta believe that every time there's a crisis anywhere in the world, mouthbreathers like AJ, Vetty, and Ish start collectively brainstorming "how can we spin this to put the blame on Obama?"

I continue to maintain that there's something loose with your screws if, any time there's a terrorist incident anywhere in the world (even outside the United States), literally your first thought is "How do we blame this on Obama?"

Ayup.

I created a handy little flowchart to document the wingnut thought process...
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/Soonyigump/AJFlowchart_zps045ed77c.jpg

 

[Ramone45]

I would think such people would be high on the radar of anyone who lost a loved one that day, but I'm talking about Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell (thankfully now dead).
And no, they haven't personally had anyone killed as far as I know, but they definitely said they deserved to die and Robertson has prayed for god to kill people and has no problem associating with people who have actively worked for laws to have people executed for not meeting "approved" sexual mores.

Yeah, Jeremiah Wright is a national leader with a huge donations to his organization.

I know you don't want to hear this, but right now, we have bigger fish to fry.

 

[PullnPray]

I'm sorry for your cousin, and all those killed by the despicable acts in 2001. But do you have the same attitude about the two American national Christian leaders (and the people who continue to funnel money to their organizations) that said all those people deserved to die, that the US deserved the attacks?

I'll never understand this impulse among so many liberals to create a moral equivalence between Islam and Christianity. Islam is culpable for more suffering and cruelty in the world today than Christianity has been in a long, long time. For every Pat Robertson, there are a million Muslims who believe even scarier things. In the US, we debate gay marriage. In Muslim countries, they debate whether homosexuals should be put to death or merely imprisoned. In the US, our religious wackos occasionally kill an abortion doctor. In Muslim countries, 13-year-old gangrape victims are occasionally taken to soccer stadiums where they are stoned to death in front of 1,000 spectators as punishment for their sexual impurity.

 

[cjh]

I'm confused.

Do words predictably incite crazy violence and are therefore a cause of the violence, or is speech a cherished freedom regardless of the crazies?

 

[Que]

I'm confused.

Do words predictably incite crazy violence and are therefore a cause of the violence, or is speech a cherished freedom regardless of the crazies?

I lean towards let the words flow, and let the crazies fall where they may. I have to believe that though there are, perhaps, millions worldwide likely cheering the attack and believing it to be justified, I do not believe there are millions worldwide that are capable of putting aside their basic humanity and killing another human in cold blood, whatever they think their eternal reward might be.

It takes pathology, not just indoctrination to get someone to do this.

That said, it is troubling that in this attack and in Boston it was brothers, so not just a randomly cobbled together cell of psychopaths. That suggests a pathology of nurture, not an organic pathology of nature. If so, that is concerning.

 

[Busybody]

I'm confused.

Do words predictably incite crazy violence and are therefore a cause of the violenceQUOTE]

Only if Palin or the TEAT PARTY use it

 

[richard_daily]

I lean towards let the words flow, and let the crazies fall where they may. I have to believe that though there are, perhaps, millions worldwide likely cheering the attack and believing it to be justified, I do not believe there are millions worldwide that are capable of putting aside their basic humanity and killing another human in cold blood, whatever they think their eternal reward might be.

It takes pathology, not just indoctrination to get someone to do this.

That said, it is troubling that in this attack and in Boston it was brothers, so not just a randomly cobbled together cell of psychopaths. That suggests a pathology of nurture, not an organic pathology of nature. If so, that is concerning.

For a self proclaimed "smart guy" you're having trouble using the word pathology correctly...

 

[Busybody]

For a self proclaimed "smart guy" you're having trouble using the word pathology correctly...

Algeria blamed

or is it

All that JIZZ

Little Girl, Strapped With Suicide Bomb, Explodes In Busy Market in Nigeria, Killing 16, Injuring More Than 20


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There is no reasoning with people who would do this.


(Reuters) - A bomb strapped to a girl aged around 10 years old exploded in a busy market place in the Nigerian city of Maiduguri on Saturday, killing at least 16 people and injuring more than 20, security sources said.

“The explosive devices were wrapped around her body and the girl looked no more than 10 years old,” a police source said.

Maiduguri, the capital of northern Borno state, lies in the heartland of an insurgency by Islamist militant group Boko Haram, and is often hit by bomb attacks.

A Nigerian security source said the bomb went off at 12:15 p.m. The girl was killed and the bodies of at least 16 victims were counted in one hospital by mid-afternoon, civilian joint task force member Zakariya Mohammed told Reuters.

 

[richard_daily]

I'll never understand this impulse among so many liberals to create a moral equivalence between Islam and Christianity. Islam is culpable for more suffering and cruelty in the world today than Christianity has been in a long, long time. For every Pat Robertson, there are a million Muslims who believe even scarier things. In the US, we debate gay marriage. In Muslim countries, they debate whether homosexuals should be put to death or merely imprisoned. In the US, our religious wackos occasionally kill an abortion doctor. In Muslim countries, 13-year-old gangrape victims are occasionally taken to soccer stadiums where they are stoned to death in front of 1,000 spectators as punishment for their sexual impurity.

This sure sounds like a man waging a Christian holy war to me.

God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.

George W Bush.


And these are a fraction of the lives cost due to his lies...

On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh, I've been called worse. It appears I offended him by mentioning the business in Colorado Springs -- a thread I started about 24 hours after the incident, which until then had gone unmentioned on this site, and which AJ apparently believes was a bald man taking revenge on a barber shop. That's possible, just not where I'd place my own bet.

I continue to maintain that there's something loose with your screws if, any time there's a terrorist incident anywhere in the world (even outside the United States), literally your first thought is "How do we blame this on Obama?"

I said bald man?

Really???

Did I blame Obama? No I didn't; I pointed out which school of thought he ascribes to.

 

[Busybody]

the so called Colorado shit has been debunked 800 times

but the NIGGER will keep HARPING on it

 

[Busybody]

the so called Colorado shit has been debunked 800 times

but the NIGGER will keep HARPING on it

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1135179

dag nab it

FUCK FACTS

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

...

What is the response of Western governments, particularly in the United States — the leader of the free world, whose government was formed for the primary purpose of protecting our God-given fundamental liberties, including the right to free expression?

The response has been . . . collaboration with Islamist governments in their sharia-supremacist project to supersede the First Amendment.

Snug among her “Istanbul process” partners in Turkey, then–Secretary Clinton lamented that — despite energetic Obama-administration efforts — the campaign to muzzle “Islamophobia” (irrational fear of the Religion of Submis – er, I mean, Peace) had been hampered by a legal inconvenience: Throughout American history, free speech had been deemed “a universal right at the core of her democracy.”

But there was, she declared, a way around the First Amendment, a way around the parchment promises of law. The United States government would “use some old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming so that people don’t feel they have the support to do what we abhor.”

Was that clear enough? Since we can’t make the law prohibit critical examination of Islam, we hereby endorse coercion.

It wasn’t long afterwards that four American officials, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, were murdered by jihadists in a terrorist attack on Benghazi. Almost all of the terrorists are still on the loose, but Secretary Clinton, President Obama, and their underlings took pains to blame the attack, falsely, on an anti-Islamic video. In particular, they choreographed a high-profile jailing and prosecution of the video producer. The exercise was portrayed to Islamists the world over as a demonstration of new American priorities: Free expression must submit to sharia repression. The future, after all, “must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam,” as our president proclaimed.

Don’t tell me about how Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama “condemn terrorism in the strongest possible terms.” They “condemn” it in the most vapid words. Islamic-supremacists don’t hear the words. They hear the groveling.

Yes, it was the terrorists alone who carried out mass-murder in France. But their war against civilization has essential support: Islamist leaders who vow to conquer us, and Western leaders who don’t think we are worth defending.

Andrew C. McCarthy, NRO

 

[RobDownSouth]

I see the Chief is still tryin' to urge us to get with the pogrom.

 

[Busybody]

Stfu...ignorant stooge
....

 

[Busybody]

I see the Chief is still tryin' to urge us to get with the pogrom.

We need one vs Muslims

 

[RobDownSouth]

We need one vs Muslims

I'm old enough to remember when you Jews were against pogroms. How times have changed!

 

[Busybody]

I'm old enough to remember when you Jews were against pogroms. How times have changed!

We. Weren't kiiling worldwide globally

 

[richard_daily]

We. Weren't kiiling worldwide globally

It's a little early to be drinking, no?

 

[Busybody]

It's a little early to be drinking, no?

We. Weren't kiiling worldwide globally

Nor telling EVERYONE daily and globally we will kill you

 

[Que]

For a self proclaimed "smart guy" you're having trouble using the word pathology correctly...

You are having trouble with the phrase "self proclaimed." Unless you were under the impression that I am a BobsDownSOuth alt?

How smart do you feel falling for yet another BobsDownSouth fabrication, Dick?

Has Zumi showed up to call you a "basic bitch" yet for you typo? Fingers crossed?