Why do you hate the NRA?

[Ishmael]

Simple enough question.

Do you even know what they do and/or have done?

Ishmael

 

[sufisaint]

They don't fight hard enough to protect my second amendment rights...

 

[phrodeau]

They made Josh Welch a lifetime member.

 

[Lancecastor]

Ish is jockeying for his very own Golden Ring of Freedom jacket.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Simple enough question.

Do you even know what they do and/or have done?

Ishmael

I don't hate the NRA.

I do however dislike a lot of their arguments in favor of the need for military grade weaponry for "hunting". You don't need a semi-automatic AR-15 with holographic sights to hunt deer. In fact, the AR-15 isn't even legal for deer hunting in a lot of states because it's simply under-powered for that use. You're much better off with a 30-06 Springfield or a 30-30 if you're actually going to hunt with a firearm.

That said, it's a great weapon for self defense at distance, close quarters, not so much. Personally I'll keep my Beretta CX4 Storm for close quarters over an AR-15 any day of the week. I prefer the larger 9mm projectile and slower muzzle velocity. I'm not going to be shooting at someone 100 yards away in self defense.

In order of preference for home defense: I would choose my Handgun > Shotgun > rifle/carbine. Honestly, my wife would probably go for the carbine first because she's more comfortable with it and the very low amount of recoil.

 

[doctor_insanus]

They keep the rubes scared, and make the gun manufacturers a shitload of money. They've bought one political party, and have intimidated the other into complete inaction.

They're very, very good at what they do... vile as it might be.

 

[Que]

I don't hate the NRA.

I do however dislike a lot of their arguments in favor of the need for military grade weaponry for "hunting". You don't need a semi-automatic AR-15 with holographic sights to hunt deer. In fact, the AR-15 isn't even legal for deer hunting in a lot of states because it's simply under-powered for that use. You're much better off with a 30-06 Springfield or a 30-30 if you're actually going to hunt with a firearm.

That said, it's a great weapon for self defense at distance, close quarters, not so much. Personally I'll keep my Beretta CX4 Storm for close quarters over an AR-15 any day of the week. I prefer the larger 9mm projectile and slower muzzle velocity. I'm not going to be shooting at someone 100 yards away in self defense.

In order of preference for home defense: I would choose my Handgun > Shotgun > rifle/carbine. Honestly, my wife would probably go for the carbine first because she's more comfortable with it and the very low amount of recoil.

The have never advanced the argument you are advancing on their behalf.

I hate the NRA because they spend the bulk of their income on solicitations for more income.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Simple enough question.

Do you even know what they do and/or have done?

Ishmael

I give the fuckers $50 and they send me $60 in requests for more money.



Follow-up question: Why do you hate the free market?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

All a real man needs is a sharp stick to hunt a deer.



Make sure it's not a moose, wapiti or grizz or you're on the sort-end of the stick Jeremiah.

 

[cowslinger64]

The have never advanced the argument you are advancing on their behalf.

I hate the NRA because they spend the bulk of their income on solicitations for more income.

Written by NRA Pres David Keene, he seems to disagree with you.

http://bearingarms.com/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-love-to-hate/

snip:

AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.

 

[Que]

I give the fuckers $50 and they send me $60 in requests for more money.



Follow-up question: Why do you hate the free market?

I had that discussion with the NRA rep at the last gun show I went to. He wanted to sign me up. At a discount, no less. I explained that since I like their fine work I wouldn't want to cut into fund-raising by costing them the inevitable postage and printing costs in far excess of my dues.

I can only imagine that if you ever give in to their twice weekly appeals for more money you would get even more. Who are these people that are giving them money with every appeal? Alzheimer's patients?

I am also annoyed that like most websites these days there is nothing to read. Just a bunch of video clips of other people reading things much slower than I read.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I still give them money to keep their enrollment numbers up to lobby on my behalf, but just the minimum.

 

[Que]

Written by NRA Pres David Keene, he seems to disagree with you.

http://bearingarms.com/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-love-to-hate/

snip:

AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.

How is him stating that 94% of buyers do so for a non-hunting purpose advancing the argument that UD is failing at?

The second amendment might protect hunters guns but it has fuck-all to do with hunting. Because hunters (obviously) are gun owners they are welcome under the NRA tent and their needs and concerns are addressed but it is not a second amendment issue.

You could ban all hunting in any given state if you wished. The NRA might well engage in lobbying on the behalf of those hunters but they are not going to be arguing that the second amendment guarantees the right to hunt.

 

[Que]

I still give them money to keep their enrollment numbers up to lobby on my behalf, but just the minimum.

I considered that, but I really, really hate junk mail. I do like The Rifleman, though. I started reading it and joined the NRA long before I owned a firearm or had ever shot one.

 

[sufisaint]

I don't hate the NRA.

I do however dislike a lot of their arguments in favor of the need for military grade weaponry for "hunting". You don't need a semi-automatic AR-15 with holographic sights to hunt deer. In fact, the AR-15 isn't even legal for deer hunting in a lot of states because it's simply under-powered for that use. You're much better off with a 30-06 Springfield or a 30-30 if you're actually going to hunt with a firearm.

That said, it's a great weapon for self defense at distance, close quarters, not so much. Personally I'll keep my Beretta CX4 Storm for close quarters over an AR-15 any day of the week. I prefer the larger 9mm projectile and slower muzzle velocity. I'm not going to be shooting at someone 100 yards away in self defense.

In order of preference for home defense: I would choose my Handgun > Shotgun > rifle/carbine. Honestly, my wife would probably go for the carbine first because she's more comfortable with it and the very low amount of recoil.

The right of the people deer hunt shall not be infringed... another Bill Clinton non inhaling and that's not sex lie... The nra let that imported ban pass for manufactors not it's members...and that false interpretation still exists for those who want a foot in the door...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I considered that, but I really, really hate junk mail. I do like The Rifleman, though. I started reading it and joined the NRA long before I owned a firearm or had ever shot one.

I joined because lobbying is more effective than voting.

That's what happens in a top-down government.

 

[cowslinger64]

How is him stating that 94% of buyers do so for a non-hunting purpose advancing the argument that UD is failing at?

The second amendment might protect hunters guns but it has fuck-all to do with hunting. Because hunters (obviously) are gun owners they are welcome under the NRA tent and their needs and concerns are addressed but it is not a second amendment issue.

You could ban all hunting in any given state if you wished. The NRA might well engage in lobbying on the behalf of those hunters but they are not going to be arguing that the second amendment guarantees the right to hunt.

You said they have never advanced what he claimed... their president said they are good for hunting. You think he's not using his opinion on the matter to advance the cause? That's all I was saying here. You were wrong. It's ok, not your first time.

I'm not anti-gun. I've owned them and hunted. I also don't think automatic weapons should be so easily bought.. at the very minimum there should be a background check...and some weapons are really better off not being owned, IMO.

 

[Que]

You said they have never advanced what he claimed... their president said they are good for hunting. You think he's not using his opinion on the matter to advance the cause? That's all I was saying here. You were wrong. It's ok, not your first time.

I'm not anti-gun. I've owned them and hunted. I also don't think automatic weapons should be so easily bought.. at the very minimum there should be a background check...and some weapons are really better off not being owned, IMO.

Automatic weapons are not "easily bought." You have to buy a federal permit for each and every one. And they are not cheap.

Finding "hunting," "NRA," and "AR15" in a sentence does not "prove me wrong." Just because he shows (correctly) the limited hunting uses of an AR15 to counter the idiotic anti-gun rhetoric that there are none, does not mean he was saying that the reason for AR15s is hunting. He says the opposite of that in that paragraph.

 

[cowslinger64]

Automatic weapons are not "easily bought." You have to buy a federal permit for each and every one. And they are not cheap.

Finding "hunting," "NRA," and "AR15" in a sentence does not "prove me wrong." Just because he shows (correctly) the limited hunting uses of an AR15 to counter the idiotic anti-gun rhetoric that there are none, does not mean he was saying that the reason for AR15s is hunting. He says the opposite of that in that paragraph.

Thanks Vette....I'm not looking for your opinion of what the guy said. You were wrong. You have such difficulty with that.

Easily enough bought.. that was my pernt there edith. I DID SAY "so easily bought", but of course you know what I was saying better than I do.

 

[Que]

"Not anti-gun."

Knows all the "automatic" weapons and "It's about hunting, dammit!" straw-men.

:nods:

 

[cowslinger64]

"Not anti-gun."

Knows all the "automatic" weapons and "It's about hunting, dammit!" straw-men.

:nods:

Never claimed that, of course.... but then again, you seem to know what everyone else is thinking. Too bad you couldn't use your powers to get off the couch so I wouldn't have to support your unemployed ass with my taxes....

 

[Que]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bHRAYGo0-c

 

[RobDownSouth]

Never claimed that, of course.... but then again, you seem to know what everyone else is thinking. Too bad you couldn't use your powers to get off the couch so I wouldn't have to support your unemployed ass with my taxes....

He certainly seems to enjoy telling his political opponents what they "really believe".

#AscriptionAgain
now watch him attempt to accuse me of ascribing something

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The have never advanced the argument you are advancing on their behalf.

I hate the NRA because they spend the bulk of their income on solicitations for more income.

The fuck they haven't. Keene was quoted in this thread advocating for their use as hunting weapons.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Simple enough question.

Do you even know what they do and/or have done?

Ishmael

I don't like them because they say/do stupid shit to embarrass gun owners all the time. Like MOAR GUNZ= LESS CRIME!! level of dip shit.

I don't hate the NRA.

I do however dislike a lot of their arguments in favor of the need for military grade weaponry for "hunting". You don't need a semi-automatic AR-15 with holographic sights to hunt deer. In fact, the AR-15 isn't even legal for deer hunting in a lot of states because it's simply under-powered for that use. You're much better off with a 30-06 Springfield or a 30-30 if you're actually going to hunt with a firearm.

I've never herd them argue in favor of mil spec weaponry for hunting.

Since when was an AR-15 a military spec weapon?

That said, it's a great weapon for self defense at distance, close quarters, not so much.

LOL really? LMFAO......

Only problem it might give you is over penetration depending on ammo. But stoner rifles in .223/5.56 work just dandy in CQC.

Also why are holographic sights special? They are just big iron sights pretty much and more than useless for tons of folks who don't know how to really use a reflexive sight but want to look cool (mall ninjas) anyhow.