Correct (American) Grammar

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The NPR Grammar Hall of Shame

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We asked for nominations for "most misused word or phrase," and they came pouring in. Weekend Edition listeners and NPR.org readers have many gripes about the grammar gaffes they see and hear every day.

From nearly 450 story comments, 500 emails and more than 900 Facebook posts we received in December, we identified 275 separate nominees. Here's a top-10 countdown of the most frequently mentioned:



10. Not answering "thank you" with "you're welcome." This one's probably more about etiquette than grammar. But responses such as "no problem," "sure" or "thank you" go against what many in the NPR audience say they were taught.

9. Saying someone "graduated college" instead of "graduated from college." A college graduates a student, not the other way around. The "from" makes a big difference.

8. The chronic misuse of "lay" and "lie." Remember, you lie down to sleep after laying your book on the bedside table. Also, tell the dog to "lie down" and sing "Lie Down Sally."

7. Referring to anything as "very unique." Either it's unique or it's not.

6. Claiming something "begs the question." You almost always mean it "raises the question." Aristotle would not know what you are talking about.

5. Ongoing confusion over "who" vs. "whom." Grammar Girl's "quick and dirty trick" is this: "When you're trying to decide whether to use 'who' or 'whom,' ask yourself if the answer to the question would be 'he' or 'him.' " If it's "he," use "who." If it's "him," use "whom." Yes, that means the song's title should be "Whom Do You Love?"

4. "Literally." We are ... tired of hearing that word, especially since the thing we say is "literally" happening often isn't. Are you literally starving or just hungry?

3. Using the word "impacted" as a synonym for "affected." Some uses just shouldn't wander over from the business world into everyday life, the audience says.

2. "So." Please, please stop starting sentences with that word!

1. "I" and "me" — the most-complained-about misuse. In an "NPR Grammar Hall of Shame," those little words would be the first entrants. We received more than 30 messages just about them. How many times a day do you hear someone say "she and me" instead of "she and I"? Or, even worse, "her and me"? It's as if Peter Pan's Lost Boys have taken over. (If you don't get that reference, listen to "I Won't Grow Up" and Wendy's failed attempts to get the lads to say "not I" instead of "not me.")

The Chicago Manual of Style offers a simple way to stop yourself from making a common "I vs. me" mistake: "Read the sentence with the personal pronoun alone." For instance, as the Manual suggests, many people would mistakenly say that the test we've created is "simple for you and I." But think about it: Would you say the test is "simple for I"? No, you would say the test is "simple for me" — and you should say it would be simple for "you and me."

Patricia T. O'Conner, author of Woe Is I, The Grammarphobe's Guide to Better English in Plain English, notes in her book how important it can be to choose correctly. " 'Trixie loves spaghetti more than I' means more than I do," she writes. " 'Trixie loves spaghetti more than me' means more than she loves me." O'Conner and her husband, Stewart Kellerman, blog at Grammarphobia.





 
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Funny little trivia. American Grammar isn't the most used in the world.
 
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2. "So." Please, please stop starting sentences with that word!

So, what would you have me use instead of so, irregardless of other concerns??
 
Dropping the word "So" without replacement would be best.

In formal narrative, yes. In discourse, no. People speak in less-than-formal modes, with many redundancies and improper connectors and all sortsa shit. So, if I want my narrative sounding like the source is my mouth and not just my clattering keyboard, I go colloquial and discursive.
 
I don't speak English, I speak Texan



PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT



The NPR Grammar Hall of Shame

http://www.npr.org/2014/12/30/372495062/the-npr-grammar-hall-of-shame-opens-with-i-and-me


We asked for nominations for "most misused word or phrase," and they came pouring in. Weekend Edition listeners and NPR.org readers have many gripes about the grammar gaffes they see and hear every day.

From nearly 450 story comments, 500 emails and more than 900 Facebook posts we received in December, we identified 275 separate nominees. Here's a top-10 countdown of the most frequently mentioned:



Hell, I don't speak English or even American. I speak Texan and we make up our own rules :D

I don't say "Whom." Have you ever really used that word in real speech? If you said "Whom" around my friends they would all piss their pants from laughing so hard.​
 
Hell, I don't speak English or even American. I speak Texan and we make up our own rules :D

I don't say "Whom." Have you ever really used that word in real speech? If you said "Whom" around my friends they would all piss their pants from laughing so hard.

You perfectly illustrate the difference between written and spoken dialects of Anglish, and formal and informal usage. We mostly don't write like we speak, and vice-versa. Speech is filled with pauses, redundancies, interruptions, slang, gestures and facial signals, tonality changes, improvisations, funny voices, all that shit.

Just out of curiosity, are you monolingual in Texican, or can you habla Spanglish, too?
 
'Raises the question' is totally contrary to 'beg the question', which means that someone has made a conclusion that lacks support.
 
Well Mr. Big From Texass, rules of grammar and usage exist to help us communicate with one another, never a strong point with Texans.
 
Well Mr. Big From Texass, rules of grammar and usage exist to help us communicate with one another, never a strong point with Texans.

Don't ya just love snowbirds? :D

Most people have no problem understanding Texan, although a lot don't like the directness. I wish the same could be said of the flocks of snowbirds we get every year who seem to think we owe them something.

Have a nice day, ya hear.
 
Rules of Grammar

Well Mr. Big From Texass, rules of grammar and usage exist to help us communicate with one another, never a strong point with Texans.
Oooh, you want to pick a fight with all Texans? Be careful what you ask for :D

As for rules of grammar. I know em, I just chose to ignore the more idiotic ones. And just so you know.

The "Equal Parts" rule of "And" means to connect "equal" types, not equally important concepts. In other words "and" should connect two nouns or two verbs, etc. but shouldn't connect a noun and a verb. Your crusade against "and" in other threads is based on a misunderstanding of the grammar rules.
 
Don't ya just love snowbirds? :D

Most people have no problem understanding Texan, although a lot don't like the directness. I wish the same could be said of the flocks of snowbirds we get every year who seem to think we owe them something.

Have a nice day, ya hear.

LOL, Yeah. Us Texans would be a lot happier if the yanks would stay home.

Go Cowboys!
 
2. "So." Please, please stop starting sentences with that word!

So, what would you have me use instead of so, irregardless of other concerns??

"So" means that I have processed what you said and I'm replying.

Hey, irregardless wasn't one of the banned words.

As far as criticizing the speech used in some regions of the USA, perhaps you should consider why you're paying for people to teach English, in those regions.
 
LOL, Yeah. Us Texans would be a lot happier if the yanks would stay home.

Go Cowboys!

So many snowbirds and so few shotgun shells. :D

Cows are female and bulls are male so it is either the Cowgirls or the Bullboys. ;)

I gave up on Pro ball when Terry Bradshaw retired. I played high school ball against him and a year of college ball with him. We hated each other until the latter happened. :rolleyes:
 
Cows are female and bulls are male so it is either the Cowgirls or the Bullboys. ;)

Yeah, but the cattle that you Texans punch (shame!) are almost all steers (Former bulls) and they are always referred to as cows, down Texas way.
 
The state of Texas is merely debris washed down from New Mexico.
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"Hey fella, what's yer name?"
"They call me Tex."
"Oh, y'all from Texas."
"No, I's from Louisiana."
"Then why do they call ya Tex?"
"Because I hate being called Louise."
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Q: How many Texans does it take to eat an armadillo?
A: Three. One to munch it, and two to hold up traffic.
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Q: How does a Texan count armadillos?
A: One diller, and two dillers, and another diller, and another...
 
In formal narrative, yes. In discourse, no. People speak in less-than-formal modes, with many redundancies and improper connectors and all sortsa shit. So, if I want my narrative sounding like the source is my mouth and not just my clattering keyboard, I go colloquial and discursive.

To show how different the way 'the people' speak in comparison to what the formal language is, just compare the language that Shakespeare used with that of the King James version of the bible. The King James version translation was completed in 1611, just a few years before Shakespeare retired. (I got the dates from wiki but the comparison was first pointed out by an English teacher.)

The Bard used the language as it was spoken, or close to it, while the translation of the bible used the formal language. They read very differently, but were written/translated at approximately the same time.

It's the same today. English changes faster than the formal rules change. I like the idea of using a casual version to talk, but it's probably a good idea for a formal version for contracts and other documents so that there is no misunderstanding. I also think that 'lawyer language' should be abolished.
 
The state of Texas is merely debris washed down from New Mexico.

Actually, the debris that makes up Texas came from the dirt piles the glaciers pushed down from Yankee land during the ice ages. It was piled up in Oklahoma and Arkansas. So ended the inland sea that was most of what is now the US of A.
 
A Texan (a Washington Lobbyist) once gave out directions to Texas from D.C., as follows: Go west until you smell it and then south until you step in it.

Not that I understood what he meant, of course. :D
 
Hey, irregardless wasn't one of the banned words.

Most dictionaries suggest that irregardless is either not a word at all, or that it should be avoided because the prefix 'irr; means the same as the suffix 'less. Therefore the prefix 'irr' adds nothing to the word regardless.

And I'm a pedantic soul.:)
 
Most dictionaries suggest that irregardless is either not a word at all, or that it should be avoided because the prefix 'irr; means the same as the suffix 'less. Therefore the prefix 'irr' adds nothing to the word regardless.

And I'm a pedantic soul.:)

Yes, but Webster's cites irregardless as a bona fide word even if my spellchecker doesn't.
 
Yes, but Webster's cites irregardless as a bona fide word even if my spellchecker doesn't.

True Elfin, but Websters is in a distinct minority. If you want to play around, try adding 'irr' to 'less' words and vice versa. The same logic (or lack of) produces some odd results.
 
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