obama care

[AshleyBeckem]

is it a good thing for you?

 

[AshleyBeckem]

is it a good thing for you?

or are you like most working American's finding the costs of health care going up quicker than pre-obama care?

 

[PeteHulbert37]

Access wasn't the issue.

Cost is relative.

Why was there no litigation reform?

Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[contrifan32]

Rob will be along soon with all kinds of dribble telling you"that they won and we lost" get over it, if you like your doctor and old health plan your a racist, that 200 million have signed up and paid, and that Santa's elves who work in that sweat shop in the North Pole now finally have health care thats as good as the rest of us who have been taking advantage of the system for years.

 

[miles]

Rob will be along soon with all kinds of dribble telling you"that they won and we lost" get over it, if you like your doctor and old health plan your a racist, that 200 million have signed up and paid, and that Santa's elves who work in that sweat shop in the North Pole now finally have health care thats as good as the rest of us who have been taking advantage of the system for years.

You left out that he prays your children will die in a fire.

 

[Que]

Access wasn't the issue.

Cost is relative.

Why was there no litigation reform?

Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Because trial lawyers are one of the biggest contributers to the Democratic party.

Because lawyer is the most common profession amongst all 535 members and none of them want to hurt another lawyer's rice bowl.

Why was the issue of insurance portability and the issue of interstate commerce not addressed. Both easily fixed?

Because again, the insurance companies that wrote a lot of the the law to their benefit give generously to both sides of the aisle.

 

[Adre]

Those of us facing a preexisting condition are happy to have it at any price. Just so happens my premium will actually decrease this coming year. It's far from perfect but it beats medical bankruptcy.

 

[Que]

Like any transfer of wealth at the point of the IRS's police power, those that benefit from the redistribution are fans.

No one complains about their "earned" income credit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

is it a good thing for you?

or are you like most working American's finding the costs of health care going up quicker than pre-obama care?

Predicted it.

Cloward-Piven

Step one: Get insurance companies to sign their death warrants in search of short-term gains.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Those of us facing a preexisting condition are happy to have it at any price. Just so happens my premium will actually decrease this coming year. It's far from perfect but it beats medical bankruptcy.

REALLY???



YOU have to worry about medical bankruptcy when you can buy and sell me many times before breakfast?

I call bullshit one way or another.

Can you clarify?

I bet not.

 

[Adre]

Like any transfer of wealth at the point of the IRS's police power, those that benefit from the redistribution are fans.

No one complains about their "earned" income credit.

And for anyone who has received tax exempt coverage from an employer I have in effect subsidized their insurance for years.

 

[Adre]

REALLY???



YOU have to worry about medical bankruptcy when you can buy and sell me many times before breakfast?

I call bullshit one way or another.

Can you clarify?

I bet not.

Just as soon as you clarify the subtle differences between sub human and less than human. Who the fuck cares what you call bullshit on?

 

[cowslinger64]

Like any transfer of wealth at the point of the IRS's police power, those that benefit from the redistribution are fans.

No one complains about their "earned" income credit.

We've been shifting the wealth to the top since Reagan. The income disparity in this country is completely out of control and ridiculous. The CEO to worker pay ratio is the highest ever and getting worse every day. The policies have benefited the top. There is little being done for the common good. Rampant greed and unbridled capitalism has hurt this country terribly. Seems dummies like you that have nothing are the ones most happy about it too..

But hey, you know Joe Plumber and all that. What a bunch of fuckin sheep you are.


Access was totally the point. People had NO access to healthcare for a variety of reasons. Pre-existing conditions was a huge one...and I am positive that those that aren't fuckin dying because they have access are REALLY happy ACA happened.. Just imagine what would have happened had the gop not completely obstructed the president. Regardless of what toubab says, waiting til you're about dead to go to the emergency room is NOT healthcare.


You really are a fucking idiot sometimes query.


And btw... ACA doesn't benefit me at all. I have good insurance through my employers and union... But something had to be done and it was. FINALLY.

 

[Que]

No. The question was merely who pays. You and others approve of the process that results in major insurance companies having banner years at the expense of more people that have had to pay more, as opposed to the very few that have paid less.

Interesting to me how often you feel the need to announce my stupidity, yet so casually reveal your own in context.

 

[cowslinger64]

No. The question was merely who pays. You and others approve of the process that results in major insurance companies having banner years at the expense of more people that have had to pay more, as opposed to the very few that have paid less.

Interesting to me how often you feel the need to announce my stupidity, yet so casually reveal your own in context.

They were having banner years all along. Skip that part? We were all paying for those without healthcare already. Who pays for your healthcare again? Since you don't work, how do you survive and how does my tax dollars help you?


The only thing I revealed is something everyone here knows and understands, except you.

Thanks for keeping it under a billion words tho.

 

[Adre]

Like any transfer of wealth at the point of the IRS's police power, those that benefit from the redistribution are fans.

No one complains about their "earned" income credit.

Would this be an example of the famous "substance" you above all others add to threads? How about refuting post #11 with some of your substance. In less than five hundred words if possible.

 

[Que]

They were having banner years all along. Skip that part? We were all paying for those without healthcare already. Who pays for your healthcare again? Since you don't work, how do you survive and how does my tax dollars help you?


The only thing I revealed is something everyone here knows and understands, except you.

Thanks for keeping it under a billion words tho.

Their profits continue their upward trajectory uninterrupted. That is by design not an anomaly. That being the case, how does that make the entirety of all of the checks written by individuals and their employers more affordable?

As I said, a few do benefit, but only at the direct expense of everyone else. Some people are fine with that. Most people that benefit from it are fine with it. A scant few who are pinched by it are fine with it. This is why those like you that are enthusiastic about it are in the minority.

There were far cheaper ways to accomplish far more. As Botany Boy puts it, enjoy your Alpo at Filet Mignon prices.

 

[Wrong Element]

or are you like most working American's finding the costs of health care going up quicker than pre-obama care?

This is false.

 

[cowslinger64]

Their profits continue their upward trajectory uninterrupted. That is by design not an anomaly. That being the case, how does that make the entirety of all of the checks written by individuals and their employers more affordable?

As I said, a few do benefit, but only at the direct expense of everyone else. Some people are fine with that. Most people that benefit from it are fine with it. A scant few who are pinched by it are fine with it. This is why those like you that are enthusiastic about it are in the minority.

There were far cheaper ways to accomplish far more. As Botany Boy puts it, enjoy your Alpo at Filet Mignon prices.

You keep skipping the fact that the costs were already there. That those profits were already there and somehow ACA makes it worse. That's ridiculous. I do not think for one second that ACA is anything perfect. Something had to be done and it was. Simple as that. Unfortunately, the party you so blindly follow are a big part of the reason it wasn't MUCH MUCH better. We could have had single payer.

People have access to healthcare. People aren't dying for lack of, and can now not wait til they are about to die to go to the emergency for care. That's a good thing. Since I work, I pay taxes and I'm fine with people in this country benefitting from that. Funny how you never bitch about corporate welfare, which is a much bigger problem. You never bitch about income disparity, which is a much bigger problem. You guys still seem stuck on trickle down being a good thing...which it isn't.


Who pays for your healthcare again?

 

[Que]

And for anyone who has received tax exempt coverage from an employer I have in effect subsidized their insurance for years.

Which is the direct result of tax and spend types that assumed they could simply double revenues by doubling nominal rates. Insurance as a benefit is one of the worst of the unintended consequences of our byzantine tax code. It was designed to get around confiscatory tax rates by having an employer pay for your health care insurance in lieu of taxable income.

Same goes with the tax deduction for home interest. There is no logical reason for that to be the case. It resulted in longer mortgages than were available before that, and in the long run the housing bubble and the crash.

The first unintended consequence of that was the fact that it was disproportionately unfair to minorities owing to lifestyle choices. Whites had a higher savings rate and lower debt to income ratios that made them better candidates for home loans. As whites took advantage of that the fact that they sent less of their money in as taxes enabled them to build wealth faster. Lowering the ratios so that more minorities would "qualify" without changing their lifestyle choices meant the beginning of the eventual end.

All of that said (you specifically asked for substance) you miss the point.

Those are not direct subsidies. Those are both examples of tax code allowing you to keep the money that you, yourself earned.

The earned income credit and the subsidies for Obama care as well as the mandated things that raise the rates for all so that those that could not get insurance previously can, directly take actual money out of one persons pocket and put it in the other persons pocket.

Sending less to the government is a benefit, but it does not accrue at the direct expense of any other citizen or group of citizens.

 

[Adre]

Which is the direct result of tax and spend types that assumed they could simply double revenues by doubling nominal rates. Insurance as a benefit is one of the worst of the unintended consequences of our byzantine tax code. It was designed to get around confiscatory tax rates by having an employer pay for your health care insurance in lieu of taxable income.

Same goes with the tax deduction for home interest. There is no logical reason for that to be the case. It resulted in longer mortgages than were available before that, and in the long run the housing bubble and the crash.

The first unintended consequence of that was the fact that it was disproportionately unfair to minorities owing to lifestyle choices. Whites had a higher savings rate and lower debt to income ratios that made them better candidates for home loans. As whites took advantage of that the fact that they sent less of their money in as taxes enabled them to build wealth faster. Lowering the ratios so that more minorities would "qualify" without changing their lifestyle choices meant the beginning of the eventual end.

All of that said (you specifically asked for substance) you miss the point.

Those are not direct subsidies. Those are both examples of tax code allowing you to keep the money that you, yourself earned.

The earned income credit and the subsidies for Obama care as well as the mandated things that raise the rates for all so that those that could not get insurance previously can, directly take actual money out of one persons pocket and put it in the other persons pocket.

Sending less to the government is a benefit, but it does not accrue at the direct expense of any other citizen or group of citizens.

Who could have predicted a longwinded non responsive answer from query? Certainly not me.

 

[Que]

You keep skipping the fact that the costs were already there. That those profits were already there and somehow ACA makes it worse. That's ridiculous. I do not think for one second that ACA is anything perfect. Something had to be done and it was. Simple as that. Unfortunately, the party you so blindly follow are a big part of the reason it wasn't MUCH MUCH better. We could have had single payer.

People have access to healthcare. People aren't dying for lack of, and can now not wait til they are about to die to go to the emergency for care. That's a good thing. Since I work, I pay taxes and I'm fine with people in this country benefitting from that. Funny how you never bitch about corporate welfare, which is a much bigger problem. You never bitch about income disparity, which is a much bigger problem. You guys still seem stuck on trickle down being a good thing...which it isn't.


Who pays for your healthcare again?

The affordable care act solves none of those problems since it was not designed to even address them. It was merely a device to make all Americans chip in to pay for the health care of a few Americans. A reasonable idea, but not what it was sold as, and not at all what you continue to erroneously believe.

There is no such thing as "corporate welfare." There is cronyism. Such as when the administration allows it's campaign donors to pay zero in corporate taxes. Even still no one gave a single penny to those corporations unless it was for a good or service rendered. They were merely allowed to keep their own money. Welfare is when money is earned by others, taken from them and given to a recipient.

But good job picking up the obfuscating buzz words of the left that wants to pretend that there is any difference between Republicans and Democrats in regards to cronyism.

 

[Que]

Who could have predicted a longwinded non responsive answer from query? Certainly not me.

So I give you succinct response with actual substance in it in direct response to your post, you whine that it is not substantive enough. You ask specifically for "substantive" post in response to a specific, numbered post. I do so and you whine.

Point out the substance in your post quoth here-in.

 

[contrifan32]

And for anyone who has received tax exempt coverage from an employer I have in effect subsidized their insurance for years.

So are you suggesting that this is some way "entitles" you to something?

 

[cowslinger64]

The affordable care act solves none of those problems since it was not designed to even address them. It was merely a device to make all Americans chip in to pay for the health care of a few Americans. A reasonable idea, but not what it was sold as, and not at all what you continue to erroneously believe.

There is no such thing as "corporate welfare." There is cronyism. Such as when the administration allows it's campaign donors to pay zero in corporate taxes. Even still no one gave a single penny to those corporations unless it was for a good or service rendered. They were merely allowed to keep their own money. Welfare is when money is earned by others, taken from them and given to a recipient.

But good job picking up the obfuscating buzz words of the left that wants to pretend that there is any difference between Republicans and Democrats in regards to cronyism.

No shit. It was to make healthcare accessible to those that had none. Which is the point.

Your anger is misplaced. You should be mad at your own party for it. I'm mad with the democrats too, because they were huge pussies allowing your party to dictate what wasn't gonna happen....which was single payer. Which is worse? A party that doesn't get anything done or the one that goes totally out of it's way to make sure that nothing gets done?

And way to skip the healthcare issue again. I sure hope you don't get sick, cause I'm pretty sure you're gonna need welfare paid with my tax dollars when the huge bill comes.