'female' Porn Writers

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yesterday I read the first chapter of an 'URBAN EROTIC TALE' written by a popular and prolific black 'female' author. Her prose is powerful but I wonder if she's female, she writes like a male. That is, the violence and sex are over the top extreme, and all the characters are minors. By the end all are dead, knocked up, addicted to crack, and have AIDS or all of the above. I read the book in the past.

Are you able to spot frauds?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So I found another AMAZON Kindle download about urban erotica, and it reads like a female wrote it: The principal character is a fashion designer, all her good friends are fags, her girl friends are 'ho-bags' and she's in love with an Adonis who gets all the white pussy in town. No crude language at all. It has a soap opera tone the other lacks. And its boring...to me.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Yeah, pretty much always can.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Yesterday I read the first chapter of an 'URBAN EROTIC TALE' written by a popular and prolific black 'female' author. Her prose is powerful but I wonder if she's female, she writes like a male. That is, the violence and sex are over the top extreme, and all the characters are minors. By the end all are dead, knocked up, addicted to crack, and have AIDS or all of the above. I read the book in the past.

Are you able to spot frauds?

Back in your cage JBJ.

The more and more I read, female erotic fiction gets closer to male writing Don't flaunt your chauvinism.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Back in your cage JBJ.

The more and more I read, female erotic fiction gets closer to male writing Don't flaunt your chauvinism.

Go hate somewhere else, PILOT.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

If you go to a 'casino' today, compared to say if you went to one at the time of Beau Brummell, it would look like a parody.

Porn writing today consists of a great amount of parody that seeks to pass itself off as the authentic item.

No doubt there are actual female writers of authentic porn, no question. But there is a vast overhang of dubious work which comes across to those who read a lot of fiction, whether porn fiction or any fiction - and who read extensively - as highly inauthentic. And some of this is clearly from male writers pretending to be females, and some of it is from females brought up in a post-feminist anti-scholastic though otherwise pretentiously 'academic' world. This kind of work is filled with cliche but claims to be anything but cliched - and therefore relies on ignorant people for judgement about it.

And then there are actual females who write stylistically a kind of risque chick-appeal category of story, and even push a few limits too, and this material regularly falls into what is today classed as 'porn' - but it is not porn.

Those authentically female porn writers with an authentic 'porn' voicing, are rare. Some of them, use male pseudonyms.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I don't write porn and I don't write "more-or-less erotic" fiction, which I hate. I write erotica. I think women are better at it. Occasionally when I need some help I will contact male friends and say You have to help me porn this scene up. I'll say Two Girls, One Guy, go. They give me ideas. Would I think of a cum swap on my own? Probably not, but I'll write it more erotically and hotter than any guy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If you go to a 'casino' today, compared to say if you went to one at the time of Beau Brummell, it would look like a parody.

Porn writing today consists of a great amount of parody that seeks to pass itself off as the authentic item.

No doubt there are actual female writers of authentic porn, no question. But there is a vast overhang of dubious work which comes across to those who read a lot of fiction, whether porn fiction or any fiction - and who read extensively - as highly inauthentic. And some of this is clearly from male writers pretending to be females, and some of it is from females brought up in a post-feminist anti-scholastic though otherwise pretentiously 'academic' world. This kind of work is filled with cliche but claims to be anything but cliched - and therefore relies on ignorant people for judgement about it.

And then there are actual females who write stylistically a kind of risque chick-appeal category of story, and even push a few limits too, and this material regularly falls into what is today classed as 'porn' - but it is not porn.

Those authentically female porn writers with an authentic 'porn' voicing, are rare. Some of them, use male pseudonyms.

I research the subject adnauseum, in hopes of capturing a plausible depiction of sex KNOWING there is no common, standardized experience. And I know females bring to sex sundry attitudes and expectations with every encounter. And plenty lie their asses off. Even Mother Nature washes her hands of the encounter once the sperm is delivered, she contracted for one tablespoon of semen at the door of the uterus.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

OMG Females are worse than males about awful lesbian sex. I'm amazed to read that females are clueless with other females. I laughed. Youd assume gals know where clits are NO.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

If you go to a 'casino' today, compared to say if you went to one at the time of Beau Brummell, it would look like a parody.

Porn writing today consists of a great amount of parody that seeks to pass itself off as the authentic item.

No doubt there are actual female writers of authentic porn, no question. But there is a vast overhang of dubious work which comes across to those who read a lot of fiction, whether porn fiction or any fiction - and who read extensively - as highly inauthentic. And some of this is clearly from male writers pretending to be females, and some of it is from females brought up in a post-feminist anti-scholastic though otherwise pretentiously 'academic' world. This kind of work is filled with cliche but claims to be anything but cliched - and therefore relies on ignorant people for judgement about it.

And then there are actual females who write stylistically a kind of risque chick-appeal category of story, and even push a few limits too, and this material regularly falls into what is today classed as 'porn' - but it is not porn.

Those authentically female porn writers with an authentic 'porn' voicing, are rare. Some of them, use male pseudonyms.

So you are just as sexist and crazy as JBJ.

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[GoldenCojones]

If you go to a 'casino' today, compared to say if you went to one at the time of Beau Brummell, it would look like a parody.

Porn writing today consists of a great amount of parody that seeks to pass itself off as the authentic item.

I write porn, at least by my definition of it. I'll admit that I'm not a connoisseur and probably don't know "authentic porn" from a hole in the ground, but I know what turns my crank and that is what I write. Is that a parody? Is it a humorous or satirical imitation of a serious piece of literature or writing? Since I don't try to imitate any serious piece of literature or writing, I don't think it fits that description.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I write porn, at least by my definition of it. I'll admit that I'm not a connoisseur and probably don't know "authentic porn" from a hole in the ground, but I know what turns my crank and that is what I write. Is that a parody? Is it a humorous or satirical imitation of a serious piece of literature or writing? Since I don't try to imitate any serious piece of literature or writing, I don't think it fits that description.

Don't take these people seriously. That means they win.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

You are harsh, JBJ. Not necessarily 100% incorrect, but harsh. : )

But that's not to say there aren't males who need a few lessons on anatomy and neural connections.

Carnal Flower - you will not get an argument from me about the better, more stylish writers of erotica; on the whole the women are better.

This is a kind of a typical JBJ thread - I think he tends to depict what appears tendentious but is often just the uncomfortable reality for 90% of the cases or 90% of the times.

I mean, people are going to generalize about noir but then, Raymond Chandler was really a total individual, so was Spillane; both happened to be males.

For me Virginia Woolf writes as well as any man ever did or any writer for that matter, ever.

Who is going to say that Mary Shelley was ever identifiably 'female' in her writing; I can't see it myself. She was just plain outright, a really damn good writer.

"The Story of 'O'" is definitely porn as far as I'm concerned, but then, it has this whole stylistic integrity that marks it out as also genuine erotic literature - definitely written by a woman as far as authorities on the work say these days.

If JBJ is saying there is a lot of claimed 'female' porn which just isn't and which betrays itself as having been written by a male - then I agree. If he's also saying a lot of women attempting to write in the traditional vogue of 'porn' cannot carry off the traditional porn styles, well okay to that too.

'A lot of' is different to 'all of,' though.

And today there is some blurring of typical polar 'styles' or 'attitudes' let's call them maybe, via the current GLBT range of ideas and voicings.

Is there such a thing as 'quality hardcore old-school porn' written by a woman?

That's assuming you want to say 'hardcore old-school' is not 'just' chauvinism...

I'm open to what others think about it.

Fuck me - I only just found out what 'shipping' is or means! And I have a female friend who has been in the cartoon entertainment industry for at least five years - and she never used the term to me (that I took notice of, anyway!!) And she knows I write 'adult content' material.

A lot of women are way more innovative than men. Especially when it comes to words and phrases.

 

[oggbashan]

I thought that the idea that writing has to show the sex of the author died in the early 19th Century. Women wrote under male pen names because of prejudice then existing.

If a man wants to write 'female' fiction under a female pen name, or a woman wants to write under a male pen name, I can't see a problem. Written porn seems to be enjoyed more by women than men. Video porn is the other way around.

Many modern readers will read a variety of genres, not just the stereotypical masculine or feminine books.

In the UK at least, women buy far more books than men. Some are bought as presents - for men.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You are harsh, JBJ. Not necessarily 100% incorrect, but harsh. : )

But that's not to say there aren't males who need a few lessons on anatomy and neural connections.

Carnal Flower - you will not get an argument from me about the better, more stylish writers of erotica; on the whole the women are better.

This is a kind of a typical JBJ thread - I think he tends to depict what appears tendentious but is often just the uncomfortable reality for 90% of the cases or 90% of the times.

I mean, people are going to generalize about noir but then, Raymond Chandler was really a total individual, so was Spillane; both happened to be males.

For me Virginia Woolf writes as well as any man ever did or any writer for that matter, ever.

Who is going to say that Mary Shelley was ever identifiably 'female' in her writing; I can't see it myself. She was just plain outright, a really damn good writer.

"The Story of 'O'" is definitely porn as far as I'm concerned, but then, it has this whole stylistic integrity that marks it out as also genuine erotic literature - definitely written by a woman as far as authorities on the work say these days.

If JBJ is saying there is a lot of claimed 'female' porn which just isn't and which betrays itself as having been written by a male - then I agree. If he's also saying a lot of women attempting to write in the traditional vogue of 'porn' cannot carry off the traditional porn styles, well okay to that too.

'A lot of' is different to 'all of,' though.

And today there is some blurring of typical polar 'styles' or 'attitudes' let's call them maybe, via the current GLBT range of ideas and voicings.

Is there such a thing as 'quality hardcore old-school porn' written by a woman?

That's assuming you want to say 'hardcore old-school' is not 'just' chauvinism...

I'm open to what others think about it.

Fuck me - I only just found out what 'shipping' is or means! And I have a female friend who has been in the cartoon entertainment industry for at least five years - and she never used the term to me (that I took notice of, anyway!!) And she knows I write 'adult content' material.

A lot of women are way more innovative than men. Especially when it comes to words and phrases.

Let me say it other ways with observations I've made:

In college I took a sex behavior course. During the lecture about anal sex a young woman was heard to groan and characterize anal sex as digusting and perverted. Her boyfriend then said, YOU DIDNT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT LAST NIGHT?

I once had a secretary who complained about the quality of men available for dating. She rejected every suggestion that she date some of our workmen. I'M NOT THAT DESPERATE she told me. Then I caught her in a car with 5 Mexican laborers and a case of beer. It was a fortuitous encounter but she was in the backseat with two of the men, and three were in the front seat with the beer.

All I wanna know is: WHATS THE NAME OF THE GAME PEOPLE PLAY? I wanna write authentic sex scenes NOT make pretend scenes. As for ignorant lesbians, anatomical ignorance is a common complaint lesbians make about their gal-pals....unless theyre lying.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When I came home from Vietnam a woman I knew asked me: IS WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ORIENTAL WOMEN TRUE? I replied: Yes! Strangest thing you ever saw.

 

[CharleyH]

Yesterday I read the first chapter of an 'URBAN EROTIC TALE' written by a popular and prolific black 'female' author. Her prose is powerful but I wonder if she's female, she writes like a male. That is, the violence and sex are over the top extreme, and all the characters are minors. By the end all are dead, knocked up, addicted to crack, and have AIDS or all of the above. I read the book in the past.

Are you able to spot frauds?

Interesting question, JBJ.

I've known more male writers writing as females than reverse, but yes, aside from a couple of really great male writers I know on Lit, I think I might be able to spot a fraud.

For example, one big obvious, or indicator for me, with men writing as women, is that men tend to focus on the size of tits and cocks and body measurements. It's not typically a concern of women. Women aren't content to give measurements. They will find more poetic ways of description.

This is not evidence, per se, but it's just one indicator that I've noticed. As for the book you are reading? I couldn't say. Haven't read it.

 

[Mushrom]

If you go to a 'casino' today, compared to say if you went to one at the time of Beau Brummell, it would look like a parody.

I have to ask, Beau Brummell the 18th century fashion icon, or the 1960's Folk Rock band of the same name? *grin*

There are many different forms of erotica, and I realize that a great many of them are simply "Mary Sue's" for the author. Primarily most write to please themselves, and hope that somebody else would enjoy it also. This is why most tend to write very similar stories over and over again.

Myself, I do not complain about what others write. If I do not like a story I simply move on, I do not whine about how bad they are. And I have read quite a few ladies that are actually very good. Ann Douglas being a classic example.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I have to ask, Beau Brummell the 18th century fashion icon, or the 1960's Folk Rock band of the same name? *grin*

There are many different forms of erotica, and I realize that a great many of them are simply "Mary Sue's" for the author. Primarily most write to please themselves, and hope that somebody else would enjoy it also. This is why most tend to write very similar stories over and over again.

Myself, I do not complain about what others write. If I do not like a story I simply move on, I do not whine about how bad they are. And I have read quite a few ladies that are actually very good. Ann Douglas being a classic example.

Sure. It finally dawned on me that most best selling writers crank out the same popular stuff until they get too sexy and add dollops of shit to their recipes.

Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings wrote two excellent porn stories that are obviously written by a female. THE PARDON is a tale of a pardoned killer who comes home to find a new member to his family. His old lady keeps sleeping with her friend, and her husband has to share a bed with the new kid.

GAL YOUNGUN is a tale about a rich older woman who marries a younger man who brings home a teenager to share his bed with.

http://www.nytimes.com/movies/movie/19102/Gal-Young-Un/overview

In the movie the teen is a housekeeper but not in the book. In the book she's a destitute pretty girl.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Cruel2BKind...

What are you defining 'porn' to be exactly?

I realise there has been a recent - although not a current - popular or fashionable sensibility that goes along the lines of well, anything goes in either gender or a variegated gender identity and is equivalently 'valid.'

It's nonsense though, when sex experts and sex psychologists - of whom I have actually undertaken formal training under one world-leading of the latter (I don't think too many others could say that!) - look at qualitative and numerical research on who is actually doing the 'pronouncements...'

Real researchers have done such research and analysis.

If can't turn a phrase, whether it relates to dicks cunts clits or umbrellas, then, you aren't a good writer. Period.

A poor writer, trying to write from different gender perspective just compounds their flaws of expression, communication, emotional carriage, and logical content.

It's not a parody if you're not 'serious.' Boccaccio was not serious. The Decameron is still great erotic literature and probably pornographic too.

It's a parody when you copy elements of something you 'think' is the actual method, or the whole actual method - but really, it isn't.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CRUELLA is a 20 year old knowitall embarrassment to her family.

 

[robertreams]

You are all nuts! Why can't a man or a woman write whatever they want? Why is a book written in the female first person POV by a man, a fraud? Maybe he is merely a writer. If any of us are ay good, shouldn't we be able to write good believable male or female characters? If I couldn't write competently as a man or a woman, I wouldn't be on here criticizing others. What a bunch of chauvinists! I for example, am male, but have never used a cock measurement or a bra size in a story. What would a man or a woman find exciting about 36B. I once role played the role of a
20ish woman with a young man who had no clue. I had such fun.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You are all nuts! Why can't a man or a woman write whatever they want? Why is a book written in the female first person POV by a man, a fraud? Maybe he is merely a writer. If any of us are ay good, shouldn't we be able to write good believable male or female characters? If I couldn't write competently as a man or a woman, I wouldn't be on here criticizing others. What a bunch of chauvinists! I for example, am male, but have never used a cock measurement or a bra size in a story. What would a man or a woman find exciting about 36B. I once role played the role of a
20ish woman with a young man who had no clue. I had such fun.

Calm down, Bobby, no one suggested gals should cave to North Koreans. I suggested that males and females write porn differently and males try to fake their real sex.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I sort of agree with you Mr JBJ. If an author as no gender specified I'd take a good guess.

Male writers come across as more confident and assured, on the low end of the spectrum, and ridiculously egotistical and in love with themselves on the high end.

Calm down, Bobby, no one suggested gals should cave to North Koreans. I suggested that males and females write porn differently and males try to fake their real sex.

 

[AMoveableBeast]

I don't write porn and I don't write "more-or-less erotic" fiction, which I hate. I write erotica. I think women are better at it. Occasionally when I need some help I will contact male friends and say You have to help me porn this scene up. I'll say Two Girls, One Guy, go. They give me ideas. Would I think of a cum swap on my own? Probably not, but I'll write it more erotically and hotter than any guy.

The only thing I find strange about this comment, Carnal Flower, is that of your favorite authors listed on this site, of which I am one (and flattered to be), exactly all of them are male.

For the record, I don't care what gender the writer is, nor, if they do a good enough job, do I ever even consider it.