Cuba.

[Ishmael]

So the administration is tracking to 'normalize' relations with Cuba.

Why bother?

The reason for not doing so is that Cuba still hasn't paid the US owners of the property they 'nationalized.'

The people live in abject poverty and the US embargo is blamed for this. Strange, Cuba can, and does, do business with any other nation on the face of the Earth and their economy is still for shit. Why? They don't have anything to sell that will support their economy. Sugar and cigars just aren't going to pay the bills.

They've tried international tourism and that isn't getting it done either. Prior to the revolution Cuba was getting by, even starting to prosper, by selling drugs, prostitution, and gambling. Of course the corruption that came along with that was one of the reasons for Castro's revolution to begin with.

I'm ambivalent on the subject. It just isn't worth the press that it's getting and I think that the views of those that think Cuba is a Carribean shit hole is all the fault of the US are gong to be dashed on the rocks of reality soon enough.


Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This man has never met a thug or tyrant that he could not find common ground with.

 

[Ishmael]

This man has never met a thug or tyrant that he could not find common ground with.

Well, we have a history of doing business with thugs and tyrants so no big deal there.

I think he sees this as a much needed foreign policy 'win.' Like I said, I see it as pretty much a non-event.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, we have a history of doing business with thugs and tyrants so no big deal there.

I think he sees this as a much needed foreign policy 'win.' Like I said, I see it as pretty much a non-event.

Ishmael

He should be taking out Castro like he took out Mubarek, Momar, Assad and Iraq*.

The only problem is, he doesn't have a worse option waiting in the wings...



Maybe he can get the Hispanic Republicans to move back and pick up Florida for the Cherokee.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Will we still have to close Guantanamo?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Will we still have to close Guantanamo?

Well, if we simply open the gates, worse is in the wings and Obama would rather have 'those people' in charge that a thug who keeps order...

 

[Ishmael]

Will we still have to close Guantanamo?

That isn't going to happen. Gitmo serves a more important purpose than the mere housing of tourists.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That isn't going to happen. Gitmo serves a more important purpose than the mere housing of tourists.

Executive memo...



The applause and approval of the Muslim world; no brainer.

Ending the embargo get the second Nobel Prize from the rest of the world.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Baseball would get immediately better. So, there's that.

 

[Adre]

So the thread is about nothing. Okay.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Baseball would get immediately better. So, there's that.

The games would go from three to four hours?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

The games would go from three to four hours?

Their shade tree mechanics can build a car from used hubcaps.

 

[Disgustipated]

Well, we have a history of doing business with thugs and tyrants so no big deal there.

I think he sees this as a much needed foreign policy 'win.' Like I said, I see it as pretty much a non-event.

Ishmael

Cool thread, bro! Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Their shade tree mechanics can build a car from used hubcaps.

Wait'll they discover Gorilla tape - water proof.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Wait'll they discover Gorilla tape - water proof.

200 mph tape is faster.

 

[Leigh81]

Cuba is a great cheap place to holiday. Maybe not for you Americans.
Just make sure you stay at an place that's European owned so you get better food. Best nightclub I've ever been to was there. Ayala Disco which is all in a cave.

L

 

[Ishmael]

Cuba is a great cheap place to holiday. Maybe not for you Americans.
Just make sure you stay at an place that's European owned so you get better food. Best nightclub I've ever been to was there. Ayala Disco which is all in a cave.

L

Really? I suspect that the food is going to high quality no matter who owns the resort. I love Cuban cuisine, it's what I miss the most about Miami.

As far as partying goes, all of the Latins know how to party. Miami's Calle Ocho, Mexico City, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Bogata, The night life is great.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

He should be taking out Castro like he took out Mubarek, Momar, Assad and Iraq*.

The only problem is, he doesn't have a worse option waiting in the wings...



Maybe he can get the Hispanic Republicans to move back and pick up Florida for the Cherokee.

The Cherokee are already here, bro.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Perhaps they could lift the Cuban trade embargo that's been in place for 50 years.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

As clearly none of you know or can remember, I have been indicating that this was on for more than a year now.

Everything about the modern world of mass media is about what is 'left out' of the news, rather than what is in it.

The truth about this strategy concerning Cuba is nothing that any of you know about. Ask Andy Garcia, though; he knows.

If, there was any single person here who could remember what I have been saying all along - I would expand. Because otherwise, unless you have been properly 'backgrounded' on the subject a lot of what people assume they know is just designed by official spin to take them further away from the real story. The subject of Cuba is frought with serious and severe problems and you will only find out if stuff 'breaks out' into headlines. Meanwhile, it will be media micro-managed as all hell.

The public of the United States knows nothing, is told nothing, and makes decisions based on nonsense.

It's a seriously dangerous geopolitical situation with many DIFFERENT, competing interests, and at minimum three major world powers - China, Israel, and the United Kingdom - trying to take a stake in the future. There have been major covert strategies 'worked' by all three, and the one you wouldn't believe is the worst by far, IS the WORST and has been involved in murder to get its way.

And then you have the big money corporations - BP, Exxon, Sheldon Adelson and his Singapore sovereign fund partners, as well as Miami crime networks, and tax haven industry shadowy figures that operate out of places like the Dutch Antilles - all being 'used' as soft money partners so that nothing shows up on official government budgets. At stake is oil, gas, casinos, leverage in South America, money laundering, and another conduit for QE out of the US and into London and Tel Aviv. And none of all of that has any constituency with the voting taxpayer in the United States.

There have been people end up in big green wheelie bins burned to a cinder over this - and recently.

Not a good affair and NPR and similar are trotting out Sixties' era whiners about how they lost 'their' properties in Cuba. Nobody in today's move, gives a fuck about them.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

You cannot afford Washington lobby-ists.

And your votes go into machines made in Singapore and Tokyo. Not too dissimilar to the machines Adelson uses in his casinos.

So much for your fucking votes. That is, unless you think you can make money in a casino!

The modern politician is a specialist who can make it seem that he is speaking for you, when decisions are made.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

When Cuban refugees now reach the US, do we return them?



In order to curry favor with the Castro regime? He wants his people, the Mexicans don't...

 

[Que]

When Cuban refugees now reach the US, do we return them?



In order to curry favor with the Castro regime? He wants his people, the Mexicans don't...

Send some of the to LA. They speak the language and they can explain to the new residents the eventual joys of socialism.

Did you hear? The health care system that cannot treat basic conditions of their leader is actually far superior to the US system. I can't wait for single payer and doctors on salary for $20 a month.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I give a certain amount of credit to the Israel lobby, they sometimes get their way but they are the most noticeable of the ones that exist.

The others are just as self-interested and play just as much hard-ball. And they are much better are 'not being seen or heard.'

'You,' don't have a chance.

Put it this way though - BP is going to kick someone's arse here. And that is merely because you fined them a lot of money for being ignorant selfish greedy harmful bastards. They are going to skewer some politicians and some government officials though just to show you that 1. the US doesn't come close to being 'the world's most powerful any-fucking-thing!' and 2., just because they can.

May I remind you, BP is not a Saudi co-op thing... It's allegiances as far as oil source lie almost, er, on the opposite side!

Push the oil price down, eh.

Well, let's see what happens.

This is such a phenomenally subtle game going on here...

The media hasn't got it at all...

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I got this from a North Korean hacker, so I'm not going to take blame or responsibility for it and I will delete it after a while:

(has now been deleted, as per above).