Why Why is it called "rape culture" and not "rape epidemic"?

[LadyFunkenstein]

Does anyone have a theory? I certainly do.

 

[PayDay]

...because fucktards manipulate words.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Does anyone who is even marginally intelligent have an opinion? We sank straight to the bottom with the first response so we can only go up from here.

 

[1sickbastard]

Does anyone have a theory? I certainly do.

Theory of hypothesis?

Either way, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Theory of hypothesis?

Either way, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.

Because when it comes to an epidemic, you wipe out the carriers and treat the sick. That is the method of change.

When it comes to a culture, we all are a part of it. If the culture changes, we all must change. Rapists and non Rapists are interchangeable, Because we are all a party to it. We are Equal, in work, love and rape.

I think the concept of rape culture is a tool to change or society. E are all supposed to jump on the bandwagon here, and agree to changes which aren't in our best interests.

I will bump my last thread on this

 

[Littlefinger]

Because when it comes to an epidemic, you wipe out the carriers and treat the sick. That is the method of change.

When it comes to a culture, we all are a part of it. If the culture changes, we all must change. Rapists and non Rapists are interchangeable, Because we are all a party to it. We are Equal, in work, love and rape.

I think the concept of rape culture is a tool to change or society. E are all supposed to jump on the bandwagon here, and agree to changes which aren't in our best interests.

I will bump my last thread on this

What does all of that mean, though? I mean, those who use that terminology the most are feminists and what they seem to want to do is wipe out the carriers of "rape" so to speak. What does it mean that we're all equal in work, love and rape? And what changes do "they" want to make that are not in our best interests?

 

[Que]

Because when it comes to an epidemic, you wipe out the carriers and treat the sick. That is the method of change.

When it comes to a culture, we all are a part of it. If the culture changes, we all must change. Rapists and non Rapists are interchangeable, Because we are all a party to it. We are Equal, in work, love and rape.

I think the concept of rape culture is a tool to change or society. E are all supposed to jump on the bandwagon here, and agree to changes which aren't in our best interests.

I will bump my last thread on this

Exactly so. It silences dissent. Why would anyone be against eliminating this evil from our very midst. Then it becomes whatever those that wield the power on the issue says it is.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

This feels like a LJ Reloaded thread.

 

[1sickbastard]

Because when it comes to an epidemic, you wipe out the carriers and treat the sick. That is the method of change.

When it comes to a culture, we all are a part of it. If the culture changes, we all must change. Rapists and non Rapists are interchangeable, Because we are all a party to it. We are Equal, in work, love and rape.

I think the concept of rape culture is a tool to change or society. E are all supposed to jump on the bandwagon here, and agree to changes which aren't in our best interests.

I will bump my last thread on this

Interesting analogy, though not quite apt.
Epidemics have external causes; viral or bacteriological. Very few went looking to intentionally spread polio and fewer went to intentionally contract it.
Culture has many facets. However, my limited understanding of rape is that it's about demonstrating power in one of the most physically intimate ways possible. Maybe it would clarify the topic to separate the sexual component and instead classify rape as a form of torture.
There is a cultural component to torture, but those who enjoy torturing others, while they likely have a cultural component to their psychological makeup, are usually very, very disturbed individuals which need to be removed from the rest of society.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

What does all of that mean, though? I mean, those who use that terminology the most are feminists and what they seem to want to do is wipe out the carriers of "rape" so to speak. What does it mean that we're all equal in work, love and rape? And what changes do "they" want to make that are not in our best interests?

How do you wipe out the carriers of rape? Rapists are predators. They give zero fucks about the law. Why should society shift on account of the heinous behaviors of a minority of people who give zero fucks about laws and being a decent citizen? Do you think a serial rapist will stop based on a TV commercial? Will he change if we all give up a little bit of our rights in the name of fighting rape culture? Of course he won't.

By demanding a cultural shift, you change the behaviors of everyone BUT Rapists.

But perhaps that is the point?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Interesting analogy, though not quite apt.
Epidemics have external causes; viral or bacteriological. Very few went looking to intentionally spread polio and fewer went to intentionally contract it.
Culture has many facets. However, my limited understanding of rape is that it's about demonstrating power in one of the most physically intimate ways possible. Maybe it would clarify the topic to separate the sexual component and instead classify rape as a form of torture.
There is a cultural component to torture, but those who enjoy torturing others, while they likely have a cultural component to their psychological makeup, are usually very, very disturbed individuals which need to be removed from the rest of society.

Everyone does not agree that rape is about power and not sex. I don't believe that. Yes, the University professors convinced the majority of that opinion, but I don't share it. I think that is bullshit, links be damned One can't prove it either way, so it is useless in this discussion.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

This feels like a LJ Reloaded thread.

Your marginalization of an opinion you don't like is duly noted.

 

[Littlefinger]

How do you wipe out the carriers of rape? Rapists are predators. They give zero fucks about the law. Why should society shift on account of the heinous behaviors of a minority of people who give zero fucks about laws and being a decent citizen? Do you think a serial rapist will stop based on a TV commercial? Will he change if we all give up a little bit of our rights in the name of fighting rape culture? Of course he won't.

By demanding a cultural shift, you change the behaviors of everyone BUT Rapists.

But perhaps that is the point?

Yes, how do you wipe out predators? How do you pinpoint the causes of a mind to go the direction it needs to go to feel entitled in such a way as to take advantage of someone weaker than them or to violate someone's body in such an intimate, brutal way? Are you a rapist if you've never done it but you've thought someone deserved to be raped by you or you have made plans/had fantasies about doing so? Where does the potential to become one come from? There is a theory that rape culture exists because normal people act like rape is okay and will tolerate these predatory behaviors. A man who makes jokes or exhibits predatory behavior among his buddies will be tolerated, his behavior ignored until he acts on something everyone had red flags about.

I'm not disagreeing with you, by the way. I think you bring up some very good points but I am trying to add to the discussion because I'd like to hear more of what you have to say.

 

[1sickbastard]

How do you wipe out the carriers of rape? Rapists are predators. They give zero fucks about the law. Why should society shift on account of the heinous behaviors of a minority of people who give zero fucks about laws and being a decent citizen? Do you think a serial rapist will stop based on a TV commercial? Will he change if we all give up a little bit of our rights in the name of fighting rape culture? Of course he won't.

By demanding a cultural shift, you change the behaviors of everyone BUT Rapists.

But perhaps that is the point?

Everyone does not agree that rape is about power and not sex. I don't believe that. Yes, the University professors convinced the majority of that opinion, but I don't share it. I think that is bullshit, links be damned One can't prove it either way, so it is useless in this discussion.

Okay, I honestly don't know enough about rape or rape culture to present any decent arguments for or against.

So, if the point is to change the culture for everyone BUT rapists, what is the end goal?

 

[Que]

How do you wipe out the carriers of rape? Rapists are predators. They give zero fucks about the law. Why should society shift on account of the heinous behaviors of a minority of people who give zero fucks about laws and being a decent citizen? Do you think a serial rapist will stop based on a TV commercial? Will he change if we all give up a little bit of our rights in the name of fighting rape culture? Of course he won't.

By demanding a cultural shift, you change the behaviors of everyone BUT Rapists.

But perhaps that is the point?

It is exactly the MO of the anti-gun lobby. Talk about a "culture of violence" then indict everyone in society that has never participated in violence with or without a gun.

I am only being mildly facetious when I say that when all men are emasculated, only rapists will have dicks.

It has nothing to do with reducing the incidence of rape, since as you correctly point out rapists are not abiding by law much less cultural norms. It is only about dis-empowering men in the hopes that tearing men down somehow raises the status of women. Together with your other thread that of course, means white women.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Yes, how do you wipe out predators? How do you pinpoint the causes of a mind to go the direction it needs to go to feel entitled in such a way as to take advantage of someone weaker than them or to violate someone's body in such an intimate, brutal way? Are you a rapist if you've never done it but you've thought someone deserved to be raped by you or you have made plans/had fantasies about doing so? Where does the potential to become one come from? There is a theory that rape culture exists because normal people act like rape is okay and will tolerate these predatory behaviors. A man who makes jokes or exhibits predatory behavior among his buddies will be tolerated, his behavior ignored until he acts on something everyone had red flags about.

I'm not disagreeing with you, by the way. I think you bring up some very good points but I am trying to add to the discussion because I'd like to hear more of what you have to say.

I would be interested in having the same discussion, but let's substitute a hard core felonius "thief" for rapist. Let's drop the emotional aspect of it and talk about what we need to do about the sociopaths in our society. Because that's a rapist. Especially if you think he does it for power.

Sexist jokes are not predatory. You seem to be receptivity our eroding of free speech.( I think that is the whole point.)

Sick sociopaths think that someone deserves to be raped by them... That just isn't normal. Once again you are describing someone who is fucked in the head. Look at all of the men you know. How many are rapists? How many sit around thinking that the bitch from accounting should be raped by him? Come on man, isn't your social circle better than that?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Okay, I honestly don't know enough about rape or rape culture to present any decent arguments for or against.

So, if the point is to change the culture for everyone BUT rapists, what is the end goal?

The end goal is to change society. You can never control the sociopaths so that is just a part of life. But Because of the sociopaths , we should all agree to change "innocent until proven guilty" in order to help eliminate rape culture. Do you think it will end with tape accusations? Fuck no our won't... ultimately a contrived over whether you food or did not scan that lemon at the Walmart self check out will land you in jail. All because you agreed to a single change.then you forgot about it because you got distracted by a viral cat biro.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

It is exactly the MO of the anti-gun lobby. Talk about a "culture of violence" then indict everyone in society that has never participated in violence with or without a gun.

I am only being mildly facetious when I say that when all men are emasculated, only rapists will have dicks.

It has nothing to do with reducing the incidence of rape, since as you correctly point out rapists are not abiding by law much less cultural norms. It is only about dis-empowering men in the hopes that tearing men down somehow raises the status of women. Together with your other thread that of course, means white women.

What do you suppose is the end game of empowering white women? I don't know. Consumer Class is my best guess but I am open to better ideas

 

[CandiCame]

It's called a rape culture because that takes away personal responsibility, best as I can figure. That way, you don't have 'rapists' you have 'products of their culture'. It makes it seem like you have to change the culture, that we don't already have anti-rape laws, that most men aren't already extremely opposed to rape, that rapists don't get killed it prison. The phrase also serves to identify rape victims as only cisgendered women, in some cases specifically cisgendered white women. It's something that's been coopted to fuck over trans, male victims by saying that if you aren't privileged in the culture of rape (like in that book weaponization of the penis) you can't be a rapist and therefore your victim doesn't actually deserve support or the ability to heal. The phrase exists solely to isolate certain victims and pretend that rapists don't have to be held responsible for their actions. It isn't a rape culture, it's an apologist culture.

 

[CandiCame]

It's weird to me that people act like victim blaming doesn't happen with thievery. How many times have you heard people say, "I told him driving around in that was asking to get jacked". Or "Well no shit you got robbed, you just a flatscreen box in your trash. I told your dumb ass to rip that shit up." I got robbed once, lost like $10,000 worth of shit and even tho I hid it, even tho it was all in my house and I didn't throw out the boxes, didn't do anything wrong, everyone still said, "You shouldn't have had that shit in this neighborhood if you didn't want to get robbed."

 

[Que]

What do you suppose is the end game of empowering white women? I don't know. Consumer Class is my best guess but I am open to better ideas

It isnt a cabal. White women all by themselves are a huge group. All the rhetoric that appeals to them as a group with words like empowering and the like are designed by and for people that are in that group. They want to get theirs. All other groups want to get theirs but no other group than white women other than white men is large enough and powerful enough to steal from all the others. White men in theory could but none of the out-loud, in-your-face organizing is possible. There is no good old boys club because there is always a woman taking notes. there are compliance officers, there are EEOC investigations.

None of those things happen if women in power promote women to power. Discriminating against men has a cute name, "Lean in."

The fact that these women are white is just because people tend to flock with people that look like them. They see themselves and empathize better with people that look like a cousin or a sister or an aunt of theirs.

 

[about_average]

When I hear "rape culture" I think of rapists living and acting in a culture that often looks the other way when it happens, or thinks it's "just having a bit of fun".

Changing the culture would mean that rape would always be considered a crime.

 

[removed121614]

Rape becomes a culture with politics. The America boasts about their 'freedom', which at the same time, is the downfall of the country. Just look at some of the Arab countries, you won't even hear a story of raping.

 

[Wings]

What is infringing on your life with the push to end rape culture, Funk?

 

[CandiCame]

Rape becomes a culture with politics. The America boasts about their 'freedom', which at the same time, is the downfall of the country. Just look at some of the Arab countries, you won't even hear a story of raping.

Where in Arabia are you talking about?