The President: discuss

[Wife of Bath]

well, go on.

 

[RobDownSouth]

My opinion is that he is doing a fine job, despite those fighting him literally every step of the way.

 

[Wife of Bath]

My opinion is that he is doing a fine job, despite those fighting him literally every step of the way.

You know what, that's pretty much my opinion too.

I disagree with some of his platforms and the choices he has made, but I think to condemn anyone in that position is unfair. I have no idea what he is up against every day. There's one thing I'm certain of, which is he's doing the best he ca to fight for what he believes in.

look! politics!

 

[rosco rathbone]

The hysterical panic over his reign from the peak Glenn Beck era is already starting to seem somewhat quaint and curious, like an old newsreel of 1930s demagogues. Some people really thought he was going to nationalize heavy industry, arm the proles and decorate every lamppost in the executive parking lot with an entrepreneur. Others of course were just ginning up panic for cynical reasons.

 

[Mr_Jon_Thon]

I think he's checked out and is just coasting at this point. The Presidency wasn't the cool job he thought it would be.

 

[Adre]

I'd vote against McCranky and Palin all over again.

 

[cjh]

I'd vote against McCranky and Palin all over again.

I probably would have been okay with McCain had he selected a more moderate running mate.

Palin was the death knell for me.

 

[Adre]

I probably would have been okay with McCain had he selected a more moderate running mate.

Palin was the death knell for me.

It put his judgment in serious question.

 

[Wife of Bath]

It put his judgment in serious question.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[oggbashan]

The President of the United States is the Head of State.

For good or ill, he is seen by the world as the legitimate representative of US citizens. He is the United States of America whenever he visits another country.

The office of President deserves and gets respect from other Heads of State.

The individual who is appointed to that office? In recent elections the voting has been close. Whoever is President is resented by nearly half of the US voters.

I don't think enough people distinguish between the respect due to the office and their feelings about the person of the officer holder.

The election process may have its failings, but my uninformed view is that the process that selects the party nomination for their Presidential candidate is faulty. The candidates seem to be chosen to alienate anyone except the party faithful.

What is needed is a candidate that will appeal across party divisions and unite the US behind a common purpose. Who was the last President who could do that?

 

[Magnetron]

What is needed is a candidate that will appeal across party divisions and unite the US behind a common purpose. Who was the last President who could do that?

That president could have been Barack Obama.

The common purpose was there; digging the U.S. out of the recession that began during the Bush administration.

But ..... racists chose to focus on his skin color and come up with every fucking excuse under the sun with the exception of his skin color to undermine him before and after he was elected.

And the GOP was imploding, so they tightened ranks and likewise undermined him at every turn. A successful Democrat in the White House would have been the death of the GOP.

ESPECIALLY a successful Democrat who looked black.

So, obviously you can't have someone who looks black, is gay, etc. AND both parties must be on equal footing.

A few more generations of breeding the stupid out of Americans is required.

 

[oggbashan]

That president could have been Barack Obama.

...

So, obviously you can't have someone who looks black, is gay, etc. AND both parties must be on equal footing.

A few more generations of breeding the stupid out of Americans is required.

I couldn't understand the birth issue. If he wasn't born American, he couldn't be President, so he couldn't be a candidate.

In the UK we don't have such a rule. Winston Churchill had an American mother and could have had a US passport. If you are British NOW, no matter where you were born, you are eligible.

Breeding the stupid out of Americans? I don't think that is possible in America or in any democratic country. Too many people believe what politicians promise even though they should know that politicians are snake-oil salesmen.

 

[Magnetron]

Breeding the stupid out of Americans? I don't think that is possible in America or in any democratic country.

Ain't that the truth.

Our recent round of elections proves it.

 

[girlsmiley]

Barack Obama speaks at Brisbane university during G20

http://youtu.be/52ZPlDSmEj4

 

[Que]

My opinion is that he is doing a fine job, despite those fighting him literally every step of the way.

Literally?

"I do not think that word means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya

Can you be a bit more specific, so that we can all see what a fine job he is doing?

Which of the results of his policies are showing what a fine job he is doing? Not intentions, results.

That president could have been Barack Obama.

The common purpose was there; digging the U.S. out of the recession that began during the Bush administration.

But ..... racists chose to focus on his skin color and come up with every fucking excuse under the sun with the exception of his skin color to undermine him before and after he was elected.

And the GOP was imploding, so they tightened ranks and likewise undermined him at every turn. A successful Democrat in the White House would have been the death of the GOP.

ESPECIALLY a successful Democrat who looked black.

So, obviously you can't have someone who looks black, is gay, etc. AND both parties must be on equal footing.

A few more generations of breeding the stupid out of Americans is required.

What a surprise that the Political Board's head cheerleader has such a one dimensional, cartoon like view of politics.

What, exactly, is a "successful Democrat?" One who has succeeded in getting elected?

Can you point to any particular success other than getting elected that the candidate enjoyed?

 

[Magnetron]

What a surprise that the Political Board's head cheerleader has such a one dimensional, cartoon like view of politics.

What, exactly, is a "successful Democrat?" One who has succeeded in getting elected?

Can you point to any particular success other than getting elected that the candidate enjoyed?

Try re-reading what I wrote, because that's not what I wrote.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Try re-reading what I wrote, because that's not what I wrote.

Queerbait often finds it much, much easier to criticize the position he's assigned to you, rather than what you'd actually said.

He spends "ten times longer writing a post than he does reading one", y'know.

 

[Que]

Try re-reading what I wrote, because that's not what I wrote.

Fair point on successful. You are ascribing to Republicans the idea that a successful president (regardless of the color) would make them "look bad."

Does it occur to you that success, as defined by his stated ideology would result in specific policy changes to which they are ideologically opposed to?

Politics is the Art of the Possible. Democrats with control of both houses were ramming through legislation that no Republican was in support of and that polls (you like those don't you?) suggested the majority of all Americans did not want. Stopping legislation that you oppose is the point and it is absolutely no different when the Democrats are in minority status.

Tip O'Neil led up the Reagan recovery for two years. He knew he was going to lose seats and have no choice, so he compromised with Reagen on changes requested. He also put them off for two years in hopes they might not lose the seats that they eventually did. Reagan famously said that you can get a lot done if you do not care who gets the credit. He had vast executive experience working with Democrats and Republicans running one of our largest states.

Beginning the dialog with "John, elections have consequences and you lost." was not only offensive it was a really telling rookie mistake. Thinking that impaired his ability to broker compromise. It is his job to broker that. He failed. Not just because evil men conspired to make him fail, he failed because he has no idea how to compromise and build consensus. Tip O'Neil was a way more powerful leader, way more skilled at blocking his foes and advancing his agenda then Boehner is on his very best days.

The only people advancing that narrative of "it's because he is black" are people of your ilk that do it to provide cover for his abject failure to effectively lead.

Last I checked despite her "negro dialect" as Democrat Harry Reid likes to call it when she speaks to black audiences, Hillary is white. Republicans worked just as hard to stop her take-over of 1/7th of the economy.

Now that it is 1/6th of the economy, your ascription of racist motives for wanting to repeal the ACA is specious. given the actual racist language used by your side to denigrate any non-white opposed to the president's policies, I think the fact that it is projection is pretty clear.

Remind me. How many Black Senators from the South have the Democrats elected? I don't see Democrats cheering for him to become successful.

 

[Magnetron]

I so badly want it to be 2016 when all the Obamanables have retreated back to their caves.

 

[Magnetron]

Fair point on successful. You are ascribing to Republicans the idea that a successful president (regardless of the color) would make them "look bad."

Yes.

You got this much right.

Does it occur to you that success, as defined by his stated ideology would result in specific policy changes to which they are ideologically opposed to?

Politics is the Art of the Possible. Democrats with control of both houses were ramming through legislation that no Republican was in support of and that polls (you like those don't you?) suggested the majority of all Americans did not want. Stopping legislation that you oppose is the point and it is absolutely no different when the Democrats are in minority status.

Tip O'Neil led up the Reagan recovery for two years. He knew he was going to lose seats and have no choice, so he compromised with Reagen on changes requested. He also put them off for two years in hopes they might not lose the seats that they eventually did. Reagan famously said that you can get a lot done if you do not care who gets the credit. He had vast executive experience working with Democrats and Republicans running one of our largest states.

Beginning the dialog with "John, elections have consequences and you lost." was not only offensive it was a really telling rookie mistake. Thinking that impaired his ability to broker compromise. It is his job to broker that. He failed. Not just because evil men conspired to make him fail, he failed because he has no idea how to compromise and build consensus. Tip O'Neil was a way more powerful leader, way more skilled at blocking his foes and advancing his agenda then Boehner is on his very best days.

The only people advancing that narrative of "it's because he is black" are people of your ilk that do it to provide cover for his abject failure to effectively lead.

Last I checked despite her "negro dialect" as Democrat Harry Reid likes to call it when she speaks to black audiences, Hillary is white. Republicans worked just as hard to stop her take-over of 1/7th of the economy.

Now that it is 1/6th of the economy, your ascription of racist motives for wanting to repeal the ACA is specious. given the actual racist language used by your side to denigrate any non-white opposed to the president's policies, I think the fact that it is projection is pretty clear.

Remind me. How many Black Senators from the South have the Democrats elected? I don't see Democrats cheering for him to become successful.

And then the rest of your post went right off the rails.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes.

You got this much right.



And then the rest of your post went right off the rails.

Or as queerbait calls it, "Thursday".

 

[Magnetron]

Let me rephrase what I said in short succinct bursts.

In the last 6 years
tens of thousands of Facebook users
who incidentally happen to be American voters
have declared in electronic writing that
Obama is a Muslim
based on his skin color
middle name
and
email forwards

Either they are bona fide racists or just extremely fucking ignorant savages.

You have to choose one or the other.

I tend to lean towards both.

 

[Que]

Yes.

You got this much right.



And then the rest of your post went right off the rails.

By "off the rails" you (clearly) mean that your cursory understanding of the political process and politicians does not permit you to respond to a single point raised.

Nothing I have ever seen you remark about politics could not be picked up with one sitting of the Colbert/Leibowitz hour and two helpings of MSNBC snark.

But thanks for playing.

When are your poets arriving? Maybe they know something about politics? I am looking forward to some active, informed engagement.

 

[cowslinger64]

My opinion is that he is doing a fine job, despite those fighting him literally every step of the way.

Literally?

"I do not think that word means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya

Can you be a bit more specific, so that we can all see what a fine job he is doing?

Which of the results of his policies are showing what a fine job he is doing? Not intentions, results.

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every fuckin one of them dummy... talk about drinkin the koolaid.


http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama

 

[Magnetron]

By "off the rails" you (clearly) mean that your cursory understanding of the political process and politicians does not permit you to respond to a single point raised.

Nothing I have ever seen you remark about politics could not be picked up with one sitting of the Colbert/Leibowitz hour and two helpings of MSNBC snark.

But thanks for playing.

When are your poets arriving? Maybe they know something about politics? I am looking forward to some active, informed engagement.

Go back and re-read.

Again.

I did not say the GOP were racists thwarting Obama from accumulating any success as President.