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Breitbart. Where illiterates get published.
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what? the illiteracy? man, we got that shit in spades already.
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And how's he going to do that?
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Please do tell.
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I'm waiting for Vettebigot to find out from Breitbart how David Cameron is going to change one of the founding principles upon which the EU is based.
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I also wonder if the UK pulled out of the EU, could the US afford a 51st state?
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Do you actually read the stuff you post? Or understand it?
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If all immigration from the EU stopped, we would still have a net immigration figure of 150,000 people a year, the largest group from the Indian subcontinent.
The EU migrants are a positive benefit to the UK. They pay far more in taxes than they cost in benefits. There are a few who use the benefit system to support families back home - but they are a tiny minority. At present they are entitled to child benefit even if the children never come to the UK, and in-work benefits to top up low wages. The work benefits subsidise their employers who don't have to pay realistic wages.
The bulk of non-EU immigrants are not such a benefit. Some are genuine refugees whose lives would be at risk if they returned to their own country. But the UK does not take the largest EU share of refugees. Italy, Greece and Spain support larger numbers. Other countries e.g. Turkey and Lebanon have massive numbers of refugees from the conflicts in Iraq and Syria.
The majority of non-EU immigrants are joining existing family groups already in the UK. Do we stop wives, children and grandparents reuniting with their families?
BUT - there are also significant numbers of illegal immigrants who have either 1. entered as 'students' or 'tourists' and have not returned at the end of their stay, or 2 have entered illegally, sometimes with the help of people smugglers. Neither group finds much difficulty in acquiring National Insurance documentation which allows them to work, but they can be exploited by unscrupulous gangmasters.
EU migrants aren't the problem. The totality of immigration is. The numbers are too large to integrate into our population while providing adequate services to the larger total population. We need to build a new large city every year to house them and we are struggling to build a few villages.
The scale of immigration is the problem. Stopping ALL EU immigration might make a small difference but most immigrants would still be coming.
The EU migrants are a positive benefit to the UK. They pay far more in taxes than they cost in benefits. There are a few who use the benefit system to support families back home - but they are a tiny minority. At present they are entitled to child benefit even if the children never come to the UK, and in-work benefits to top up low wages. The work benefits subsidise their employers who don't have to pay realistic wages.
The bulk of non-EU immigrants are not such a benefit. Some are genuine refugees whose lives would be at risk if they returned to their own country. But the UK does not take the largest EU share of refugees. Italy, Greece and Spain support larger numbers. Other countries e.g. Turkey and Lebanon have massive numbers of refugees from the conflicts in Iraq and Syria.
The majority of non-EU immigrants are joining existing family groups already in the UK. Do we stop wives, children and grandparents reuniting with their families?
BUT - there are also significant numbers of illegal immigrants who have either 1. entered as 'students' or 'tourists' and have not returned at the end of their stay, or 2 have entered illegally, sometimes with the help of people smugglers. Neither group finds much difficulty in acquiring National Insurance documentation which allows them to work, but they can be exploited by unscrupulous gangmasters.
EU migrants aren't the problem. The totality of immigration is. The numbers are too large to integrate into our population while providing adequate services to the larger total population. We need to build a new large city every year to house them and we are struggling to build a few villages.
The scale of immigration is the problem. Stopping ALL EU immigration might make a small difference but most immigrants would still be coming.
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Ending benefits?
What David Cameron said was that he wanted to introduce a waiting time for benefits for those coming from other countries, and if an EU immigrant is out of work for six months, they should return home.
Many of our benefits are based on contributions while working - including the National Health Service - but we have been very relaxed about enforcing 'contribute or don't get'.
So far what is suggested matches what Germany want too - to stop people moving to another country when they have no intention of working in that country.
The warning that the UK might leave the EU? David Cameron, like many UK politicians, is worried that public opinion in the UK is so irritated with the EU that voters might vote to leave. If the electorate were asked now, there could be a majority to quit. Parliament cannot ignore the feeling that the UK pays more than it should and gets more directives from Brussels than are fair, and that the EU is a pain in the backside.
He daren't ask for a referendum now - because he thinks the vote would be to leave. Other EU leaders don't believe the UK would be that 'stupid' but they are not listening to EU voters in other countries either. There is significant unease with the EU in many countries, but probably nor as severe as in the UK.
What David Cameron said was that he wanted to introduce a waiting time for benefits for those coming from other countries, and if an EU immigrant is out of work for six months, they should return home.
Many of our benefits are based on contributions while working - including the National Health Service - but we have been very relaxed about enforcing 'contribute or don't get'.
So far what is suggested matches what Germany want too - to stop people moving to another country when they have no intention of working in that country.
The warning that the UK might leave the EU? David Cameron, like many UK politicians, is worried that public opinion in the UK is so irritated with the EU that voters might vote to leave. If the electorate were asked now, there could be a majority to quit. Parliament cannot ignore the feeling that the UK pays more than it should and gets more directives from Brussels than are fair, and that the EU is a pain in the backside.
He daren't ask for a referendum now - because he thinks the vote would be to leave. Other EU leaders don't believe the UK would be that 'stupid' but they are not listening to EU voters in other countries either. There is significant unease with the EU in many countries, but probably nor as severe as in the UK.
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Cameron is running scared of Farage and the rest of the BNP in Suits. Rochester wasn't supposed to happen. This is merely a sop to the xenophobes and cowards in his own party. Milliband has been making the same sort of noises.
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don't forget the spics.
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