Is there stories with genius girls much smarter than male?
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Sorry, but I question how old you are or if English is your native language . . . because your query was illiterate. Thus, it looks like the stories you seek would not have to have a girl of more than average intelligence to be smarter than the guy you would identify with in such a story. Sorry, but your English sucks.
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Please ignore the vulgar bore. Apparently in his mind you are stupid because this is not your first language.
I'm sure those stories are here-pretty much everything is-but I am not sure how you would locate them.
A possible way would be to search the tag "nerd" you may come up with some "intelligent female" stories that way.
On another note I think girls with below average intelligence for a woman is still much smarter than most men. As proven by the vulgar bore.
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Oh, is this you being supportive again?
Nope, but what it is si the reason people here enjoy slamming you, because you beg for it.
This is a nice quote to save for when you try to act like you're helpful here.
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Thank you for advice! I tried different tags, but not this one.
No problem....you could try geek as well....might work.
Huh, you are talking with her signature? Lol))Sorry, can't respond. I'm over 50.
Hm, is it OK for moderators here, when one is offending anothers here?..
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Yes. This site believes in free speech. Personal abuse is common although most of us try to avoid responding to it.
As for your original question, my so-far incomplete story Christmas Fairy has a very smart woman. I'm trying to write the last part and post it before Christmas.
http://www.literotica.com/s/christmas-fairy-ch-01
http://www.literotica.com/s/christmas-fairy-ch-02
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Yeah, some of my stories have a character like this. Depends what you mean by genius though - people's concepts about this often differ. There are such things as real genius people/women - and they are almost never 'nerds' with black-framed glasses and all of that.
I know someone in rl who is what I would call a 'genius' - and a female - and she is a fitness model!
I know someone in rl who is what I would call a 'genius' - and a female - and she is a fitness model!
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Thank you very much, i'll check this one.
And thanks to Desiremakesmeweak, I'll see your stories. By the way, if you know such woman in rl, you are lucky one, I envy you
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Also, Wissen (hi by the way) it would help if you could say what you want your genius to be like or behave like.
Most really REALLY clever people are potentially highly manipulative, but - they are also so subtle most people can't see what they are doing.
Young people of extreme high intelligence, have usually had some unusual experience of some kind that takes them into the 'zone' where they are normally quite self-confident withot being over-confident. Otherwise it is pretty unusual for a young person to be 'correctly' self-confident. They are mostly over-confident.
There are plenty of people who pass standard 'IQ' tests and get up in the MENSA thing, but this is not the same as a 'genius.'
If someone asked me to give an example of a public figure of this kind that I would regard as a 'genius' or 'having genius,' I would say Lola Astanova.
Most really REALLY clever people are potentially highly manipulative, but - they are also so subtle most people can't see what they are doing.
Young people of extreme high intelligence, have usually had some unusual experience of some kind that takes them into the 'zone' where they are normally quite self-confident withot being over-confident. Otherwise it is pretty unusual for a young person to be 'correctly' self-confident. They are mostly over-confident.
There are plenty of people who pass standard 'IQ' tests and get up in the MENSA thing, but this is not the same as a 'genius.'
If someone asked me to give an example of a public figure of this kind that I would regard as a 'genius' or 'having genius,' I would say Lola Astanova.
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How would you want your girl to demonstrate her brains? Grades? Deriving the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? Witty conversation?
Ok, Desiremakesmeweak and astuffedshirt_perv, I got your questions. And its really tricky to describe what I have in mind. Offcourse, man or woman who is great pianist at age 15, so good that vommon musician will never achieve such level of play, is without a doubt a genius. Even if he hardly speak his own language and is not capable to solve simple linear equation.
But I have in mind something unreal, exagerated a bit. Girl who has great memory, incredible high IQ, ability to learn fast and fully understand very complicated things in the blink of the eye. How to show it? Don't know. Conversation - for sure. Some stats (Iq, number of foreign languages, number of PhD)- offcourse, but not enough. Describe how fast she is lerning something new to her, at what male character is called as genius himself - it's interesting but difficult task. I myself is programmer and mathematician and understand, that to describe genius you must be genius himself and not only in writing. Or it's really hard work of more than one writers. F.e. House M.D. was build by big group of good writers and consultants in medicine.
But I have in mind something unreal, exagerated a bit. Girl who has great memory, incredible high IQ, ability to learn fast and fully understand very complicated things in the blink of the eye. How to show it? Don't know. Conversation - for sure. Some stats (Iq, number of foreign languages, number of PhD)- offcourse, but not enough. Describe how fast she is lerning something new to her, at what male character is called as genius himself - it's interesting but difficult task. I myself is programmer and mathematician and understand, that to describe genius you must be genius himself and not only in writing. Or it's really hard work of more than one writers. F.e. House M.D. was build by big group of good writers and consultants in medicine.
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Wissen, the issue you have raised is an intensely interesting one.
There are few characters in literature of the type you are talking about – but they do exist.
At the same time, writers will have a lot of difficulty making these characters people the average reader will be sympathetic towards. For a start, the average person is not the same as this type of person almost in any way whatsoever.
Writers get a lot of criticism when they deal with these characters in their work – and it is always along the lines of ‘Fleming is writing wish fulfilment stuff.’ Ian Fleming had a few goes at the type of female character in question but was always criticised for it. Yet, he would have known such kinds of people in real life – he himself married into a notoriously intelligent family and his wife was brilliant in her own right. In his social circle he would have come across women with the money and the time to show their intelligence to a world that was massively chauvinistic: The Sitwells, the Mitford-Haven sisters, the Harmsworths, and the Rothermeres – were all these kinds of amazingly intelligent, outgoing, strong-personality types. And in some cases extraordinarily good-looking as well.
And that last point is one of the two main difficulties that real life people like this have: other people are either intimidated by them, or despise them because of their natural gifts, or are very envious of them and tend to push them out of their own social circles. Consequently, such women are very often loners to some extent.
Secondly, women naturally have different and better structured brains compared to men, and are usually fundamentally cleverer but then they don’t always use the advantages well. I mean - to be brutally frank, most men are usually utterly staggeringly stupid and foolish and manage to get away with it by variations of physical force and implied violence and engineering a kind of pack behaviour that is characterised as ‘social normality.’
Super intelligent and at the same time ALSO physically gifted women are almost never accepted by the public at large and are suppressed inside societies in terms of being allowed into the spotlight for what they are. Sure, you can have an athlete, or a singer/musician/artist, or a writer, or a doctor – but never an athletic, musically-talented, literary intellectual, who is young, or young-ish.
And then there is another aspect of such people – and I say there are such individuals in real life – namely, their sexuality. All the writers in literary history that I know of are of the same mind about this: these women are all selectively bi-sexual which means they are very selective about their partners but can select from either gender or even both at the same time. Thus, you have Virginia Woolf’s ‘Orlando,’ Shakespeare’s young lawyer in the Merchant of Venice, Sappho in ancient Greek literature, and even Scherherazade. People like to use the phrase ‘of uncertain or ambiguous or androgynous type’ but that is not the truth at all. They are capable of having and showing many sides quite completely, and other, more ‘average’ people just plain don’t like it.
In real life, the average person twists what these people are truly like and re-creates the myths to suit their own deficits. Thus, I believe that Cleopatra was not in reality exactly like the person depicted in modern beliefs – you will recall she was capable of impressing an aged Caesar not only as to her beauty but her intelligence and capacity to govern all of Egypt and all that that entailed for Rome. Throughout history I think she has been slandered through attempts to diminish what she was really like.
There are such people as what you are talking about. There is something mysterious about them, and all the writers who deal with this type of character say so, and I believe it is true. You won’t find them very obviously ‘out there’ in open society, and if or when you ever do, they will challenge a lot of common popular beliefs about what the world is actually like.
Your point about whether a committee of writers should handle such a character is interesting – I have seen such proposals come especially from movie studios where the problem, as they saw it, was not one of being able to describe such a character authentically, but in such a way as it would not turn off the ‘average’ person, who after all is mostly what their market consists of.
Basic Instinct II probably contains something like a committee or studio determined version of the ‘Catherine Tramell’ character played by Sharon Stone. She has all of the characteristics of the type of person you are talking about – although in this sequel of course she is older. But you also see in this movie this typical tactic of forcing the sort of character in question to have some kind of unredeemable flaw – and this, in my view, is only because people cannot handle knowing about such people and their real existence if they are not roughly similar or have the self-composure and self-belief and self-confidence in themselves to accept them.
There are a small handful of robust-looking, let’s say, or even rather agricultural and older gentleman who have immense strength of personality themselves, and they quite often get involved with these types of rare women. And most people will tend to say of such couples something like ‘oh what a strange match.’ But it isn’t strange at all.
There are few characters in literature of the type you are talking about – but they do exist.
At the same time, writers will have a lot of difficulty making these characters people the average reader will be sympathetic towards. For a start, the average person is not the same as this type of person almost in any way whatsoever.
Writers get a lot of criticism when they deal with these characters in their work – and it is always along the lines of ‘Fleming is writing wish fulfilment stuff.’ Ian Fleming had a few goes at the type of female character in question but was always criticised for it. Yet, he would have known such kinds of people in real life – he himself married into a notoriously intelligent family and his wife was brilliant in her own right. In his social circle he would have come across women with the money and the time to show their intelligence to a world that was massively chauvinistic: The Sitwells, the Mitford-Haven sisters, the Harmsworths, and the Rothermeres – were all these kinds of amazingly intelligent, outgoing, strong-personality types. And in some cases extraordinarily good-looking as well.
And that last point is one of the two main difficulties that real life people like this have: other people are either intimidated by them, or despise them because of their natural gifts, or are very envious of them and tend to push them out of their own social circles. Consequently, such women are very often loners to some extent.
Secondly, women naturally have different and better structured brains compared to men, and are usually fundamentally cleverer but then they don’t always use the advantages well. I mean - to be brutally frank, most men are usually utterly staggeringly stupid and foolish and manage to get away with it by variations of physical force and implied violence and engineering a kind of pack behaviour that is characterised as ‘social normality.’
Super intelligent and at the same time ALSO physically gifted women are almost never accepted by the public at large and are suppressed inside societies in terms of being allowed into the spotlight for what they are. Sure, you can have an athlete, or a singer/musician/artist, or a writer, or a doctor – but never an athletic, musically-talented, literary intellectual, who is young, or young-ish.
And then there is another aspect of such people – and I say there are such individuals in real life – namely, their sexuality. All the writers in literary history that I know of are of the same mind about this: these women are all selectively bi-sexual which means they are very selective about their partners but can select from either gender or even both at the same time. Thus, you have Virginia Woolf’s ‘Orlando,’ Shakespeare’s young lawyer in the Merchant of Venice, Sappho in ancient Greek literature, and even Scherherazade. People like to use the phrase ‘of uncertain or ambiguous or androgynous type’ but that is not the truth at all. They are capable of having and showing many sides quite completely, and other, more ‘average’ people just plain don’t like it.
In real life, the average person twists what these people are truly like and re-creates the myths to suit their own deficits. Thus, I believe that Cleopatra was not in reality exactly like the person depicted in modern beliefs – you will recall she was capable of impressing an aged Caesar not only as to her beauty but her intelligence and capacity to govern all of Egypt and all that that entailed for Rome. Throughout history I think she has been slandered through attempts to diminish what she was really like.
There are such people as what you are talking about. There is something mysterious about them, and all the writers who deal with this type of character say so, and I believe it is true. You won’t find them very obviously ‘out there’ in open society, and if or when you ever do, they will challenge a lot of common popular beliefs about what the world is actually like.
Your point about whether a committee of writers should handle such a character is interesting – I have seen such proposals come especially from movie studios where the problem, as they saw it, was not one of being able to describe such a character authentically, but in such a way as it would not turn off the ‘average’ person, who after all is mostly what their market consists of.
Basic Instinct II probably contains something like a committee or studio determined version of the ‘Catherine Tramell’ character played by Sharon Stone. She has all of the characteristics of the type of person you are talking about – although in this sequel of course she is older. But you also see in this movie this typical tactic of forcing the sort of character in question to have some kind of unredeemable flaw – and this, in my view, is only because people cannot handle knowing about such people and their real existence if they are not roughly similar or have the self-composure and self-belief and self-confidence in themselves to accept them.
There are a small handful of robust-looking, let’s say, or even rather agricultural and older gentleman who have immense strength of personality themselves, and they quite often get involved with these types of rare women. And most people will tend to say of such couples something like ‘oh what a strange match.’ But it isn’t strange at all.
Wow, Desiremakesmeweak, it was great analysis of the theme. I got and understand most problems of it. Yeah, most people are envy for such gifted person or intimidated. It can be bad, but it's normal. But i'm some kind of deviant: I love girls, who are better than me at something. Intelligence, strength, muscles. Or all of it together. And I understand, that this is abnormal.
And what about "writing wish fulfilment stuff"... Hey, this site is full of it So, i'm still in search.
And what about "writing wish fulfilment stuff"... Hey, this site is full of it
So, i'm still in search.
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Wissen, one other thing you may find helpful is the Story Ideas board. There you can request a story you'd like to see written at Lit and offer up as many (or, I guess, as few) details as you'd like. It's always possible that a Lit author will read your request, like it, and write something.
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(To the part I bolded...)
Yes, and no.
There are parts of Lit (one example being Fetish & Sexuality Central) where Laurel, herself, has added a "soft rule" of "be respectful to others and if you don't like a topic here, don't post".
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Desiremakesmeweak, I must respectively disagree with one point you made (and I don't intend to hijack the thread here, Wissen). While there is a subset of very intelligent women who are very confident and are bisexual, I do not think that is true for all women with exceptional intelligence.
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Yeah - ql - it was the one area that I sort of disagreed with myself and had two goes at phrasing it. I'm still not satisfied about what I'm saying - or, I haven't expressed everything properly or fully.
This ACTUAL point is very hard to talk about to let's say 'the ordinary, normal everyday person's mindset...'
The kinds of super intelligent people we are discussing are not, averse to men or anti-men, or even not attracted to men. But a lot of them are anti-MOST men!! And even then I feel very unsure about the way I am expressing this.
I think the only way I can be true to a genuine personal response to what you said - which is in any case of course correct; that is, your point is correct - the only way is for me is to state outright what it is I am working from. And let the arrows fly thereafter, which they are bound to if a certain type reads this.
As you will know, the Parthenon in Greece is or was, a temple or more accurately, a premises dedicated to young women. All of the historical details about whether these women were ONLY from noble families or whether they were ONLY extremely bright people I do not myself know but I see the references to these things in the usual history accounts and commentaries by various experts.
Certainly it is the case that to 'graduate' let's say, from the process of being in the temple, involved intelligence 'tests' of various kinds, including the learning of some medical knowledge and other matters too although I am not personally sure what they were.
The patron of this temple was the god - or goddess, if you will - of wisdom, Athene. As you probably have also seen in last week's news, the Pope met with the leader of the Muslim religion in the famous Hagia Sophia, which is in fact, also a temple dedicated to the same goddess or the same divine 'idea.' 'Wisdom' is cast as a feminine word in islamic Arabic, as well as in ancient Sanskrit and obviously also in Greek.
As someone whose family comes from nearabouts these parts, if not from Athens itself, I can tell you that the modern common view about Athena is that she is a mature and somewhat war-like or austere figure. Whereas in fact in our cultural tradition, she is always a girl or woman of around 23. Now this is, I'm sure you will agree, very unusual because most people would say that almost no one is able to gain enough life experience to be pre-eminently 'wise' at 23!
Nevertheless, I note that even Shakespeare himself considered this an important detail or element of the 'wise intelligent female' concept when he makes the main protogonist - Portia - variously young, and twice adopting the appearance of a male, one time an emissary or servant 'Balthazar' (which name is also likely to have had dual or even several meanings), and then a very young male lawyer 'Bellario,' which has connotations of war in the meaning of the name.
It was Socrates who was written about as having said that he disapproved of poets and writers continually saying that the gods came down to earth and appeared among men either as beautiful women - or men - and mingled with Mankind; and he said that he didn't think that happened. But then there are other suspicious explanations of what he says about this that can lead you to the conclusion that what he really is trying to say is that HE DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO TELL INVENTED LIES about the gods and that one way he has to prevent this is to deny that such things are true or ever happen, thus discouraging people from being credulous about invented tales.
But my own view on the general theme of extraordinarily intelligent young women, is that they are almost impossibly rare in the way that such a particular example would also be immune from being influenced by the social and carnal pressures of the mundane world, or able to resist and withstand actual physical compulsion by means either of intellect or warlike skills, and somehow to possess the genius that the OP used as the descriptive word (whether he really meant 'genius' or just someone a lot smarter than you or I and/or himself I do not know...)
A genius with the kind of balance involved stands well above the rest of mortality, and if they have ethical standards and very high principles too you are beginning to talk about someone likely to be a 'friend of gods,' if you know what I mean. The Chinese say 'one who consorts with Heaven.' This doesn't mean I am saying explicitly there are gods or that some people gain special advantages from a real personal physical relationship with non-mortal non-earthly identities, but what I definitely AM saying is that birds of a feather flock together and that the closeness to this totally impossibly rare 'ideal' or even 'perfection' in an idealistic sense, IS the type of character the OP is pointing to...
Old age will catch up to the most beautiful of humankind. But Socrates says the gods never do abandon whomsoever they even one time befriended.
And this leads me to say, that a person, of the type being depicted, is a most rare and mysterious thing indeed. And you can neither tell or say where they came from nor where they are going to next and no one will ever find out how their life is really led and how or why things happen in it.
Which leads me finally to this earlier reference that I made to the Temple of Athene. No man was allowed in to it.
Not even any god (male god).
I cannot say what the types of relations between the individuals who were inside the temple, and even between the god and those people was, since I am not a female. And since I am now starting to talk about the sexual and intimate styles of at minimum, only the most rare and elevated kinds of people, I will refrain from expanding on what I originally said.
Though neither will I change it. I will however qualify it to this extent: there is absolutely no doubt that these women find males attractive and choose some male partners occasionally. But the point I will make is that they are, of all people, the most balanced and least likely to show bias or prejudice to anyone at all. Consequently I believe they certainly favour the earnest company of other gifted women, especially as friends, rather than earnestly seeking the attention of men all the time, which is what I understand the standard young woman tends to do by comparison. I don't think you'll find these women chasing after the attentions of men, but they might easily become miffed if a woman spurned them. At the very least an eyebrow would be raised.
However to go back to the OP, there are indeed such individuals in the world... And they have earthbound friends some of whom could easily be less starkly intelligent and more suited to the more 'normal' type of male and yet would seem, from all 'normal' perspectives of much much higher intelligence than most males you will ever encounter.
Birds of a feather, whether earthbound or like stars in the sky, flock together if such a mixed metaphor could work.
Hypatia, I think, was the most obvious historical example of an actual person of the type.
This ACTUAL point is very hard to talk about to let's say 'the ordinary, normal everyday person's mindset...'
The kinds of super intelligent people we are discussing are not, averse to men or anti-men, or even not attracted to men. But a lot of them are anti-MOST men!! And even then I feel very unsure about the way I am expressing this.
I think the only way I can be true to a genuine personal response to what you said - which is in any case of course correct; that is, your point is correct - the only way is for me is to state outright what it is I am working from. And let the arrows fly thereafter, which they are bound to if a certain type reads this.
As you will know, the Parthenon in Greece is or was, a temple or more accurately, a premises dedicated to young women. All of the historical details about whether these women were ONLY from noble families or whether they were ONLY extremely bright people I do not myself know but I see the references to these things in the usual history accounts and commentaries by various experts.
Certainly it is the case that to 'graduate' let's say, from the process of being in the temple, involved intelligence 'tests' of various kinds, including the learning of some medical knowledge and other matters too although I am not personally sure what they were.
The patron of this temple was the god - or goddess, if you will - of wisdom, Athene. As you probably have also seen in last week's news, the Pope met with the leader of the Muslim religion in the famous Hagia Sophia, which is in fact, also a temple dedicated to the same goddess or the same divine 'idea.' 'Wisdom' is cast as a feminine word in islamic Arabic, as well as in ancient Sanskrit and obviously also in Greek.
As someone whose family comes from nearabouts these parts, if not from Athens itself, I can tell you that the modern common view about Athena is that she is a mature and somewhat war-like or austere figure. Whereas in fact in our cultural tradition, she is always a girl or woman of around 23. Now this is, I'm sure you will agree, very unusual because most people would say that almost no one is able to gain enough life experience to be pre-eminently 'wise' at 23!
Nevertheless, I note that even Shakespeare himself considered this an important detail or element of the 'wise intelligent female' concept when he makes the main protogonist - Portia - variously young, and twice adopting the appearance of a male, one time an emissary or servant 'Balthazar' (which name is also likely to have had dual or even several meanings), and then a very young male lawyer 'Bellario,' which has connotations of war in the meaning of the name.
It was Socrates who was written about as having said that he disapproved of poets and writers continually saying that the gods came down to earth and appeared among men either as beautiful women - or men - and mingled with Mankind; and he said that he didn't think that happened. But then there are other suspicious explanations of what he says about this that can lead you to the conclusion that what he really is trying to say is that HE DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO TELL INVENTED LIES about the gods and that one way he has to prevent this is to deny that such things are true or ever happen, thus discouraging people from being credulous about invented tales.
But my own view on the general theme of extraordinarily intelligent young women, is that they are almost impossibly rare in the way that such a particular example would also be immune from being influenced by the social and carnal pressures of the mundane world, or able to resist and withstand actual physical compulsion by means either of intellect or warlike skills, and somehow to possess the genius that the OP used as the descriptive word (whether he really meant 'genius' or just someone a lot smarter than you or I and/or himself I do not know...)
A genius with the kind of balance involved stands well above the rest of mortality, and if they have ethical standards and very high principles too you are beginning to talk about someone likely to be a 'friend of gods,' if you know what I mean. The Chinese say 'one who consorts with Heaven.' This doesn't mean I am saying explicitly there are gods or that some people gain special advantages from a real personal physical relationship with non-mortal non-earthly identities, but what I definitely AM saying is that birds of a feather flock together and that the closeness to this totally impossibly rare 'ideal' or even 'perfection' in an idealistic sense, IS the type of character the OP is pointing to...
Old age will catch up to the most beautiful of humankind. But Socrates says the gods never do abandon whomsoever they even one time befriended.
And this leads me to say, that a person, of the type being depicted, is a most rare and mysterious thing indeed. And you can neither tell or say where they came from nor where they are going to next and no one will ever find out how their life is really led and how or why things happen in it.
Which leads me finally to this earlier reference that I made to the Temple of Athene. No man was allowed in to it.
Not even any god (male god).
I cannot say what the types of relations between the individuals who were inside the temple, and even between the god and those people was, since I am not a female. And since I am now starting to talk about the sexual and intimate styles of at minimum, only the most rare and elevated kinds of people, I will refrain from expanding on what I originally said.
Though neither will I change it. I will however qualify it to this extent: there is absolutely no doubt that these women find males attractive and choose some male partners occasionally. But the point I will make is that they are, of all people, the most balanced and least likely to show bias or prejudice to anyone at all. Consequently I believe they certainly favour the earnest company of other gifted women, especially as friends, rather than earnestly seeking the attention of men all the time, which is what I understand the standard young woman tends to do by comparison. I don't think you'll find these women chasing after the attentions of men, but they might easily become miffed if a woman spurned them. At the very least an eyebrow would be raised.
However to go back to the OP, there are indeed such individuals in the world... And they have earthbound friends some of whom could easily be less starkly intelligent and more suited to the more 'normal' type of male and yet would seem, from all 'normal' perspectives of much much higher intelligence than most males you will ever encounter.
Birds of a feather, whether earthbound or like stars in the sky, flock together if such a mixed metaphor could work.
Hypatia, I think, was the most obvious historical example of an actual person of the type.
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