Why GOP’s all set to end Medicare as we know it

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Wednesday, Nov 12, 2014 11:42 AM EST

Get ready for Ryancare, America! Why GOP’s all set to end Medicare as we know it

Republicans say their 2015 plans include passing Ryan’s Dickensian budget. Here's why America will hate it

Joan Walsh


I’m not someone who saw a silver lining in Democrats losing the Senate. But if there is one, it may lie in letting Republicans lay out their wildly unpopular plans for “governing.”

As if walking into a trap set by the other party – except Democrats are too broken to set traps right now — GOP Congressional leaders are promising to act immediately on their budget-slashing ideas when 2015 begins. High on their list, according to the New York Times, is implementing Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan to “overhaul” Medicare by replacing it with “premium support” vouchers designed to privatize the system over the coming decades. They will also form a commission to examine “options” for Social Security, which Ryan has also long favored privatizing.

The GOP won voters over 65 by 16 points last week. Culture and conservatism may keep most of those voters Republican, but if Congressional conservatives go along with those plans, Democrats might have a shot at them.

That the GOP will move against Medicare still isn’t a done deal. The House will do it, of course, because the House has passed the Ryan budget before. In the Senate, the plan will face a warm reception from incoming budget committee chair Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, an advocate of the Ryan budget. Still, Mitch McConnell may have problems inflicting such an unpopular plan on vulnerable GOP senators up for re-election in 2016. It will make it difficult for Karl Rove to make Democrats the party that is menacing Medicare if Republicans in both houses of Congress vote to voucherize it.

Yet even some blue-state Republicans say they’re on board with the Ryan-crafted budget blueprint. “I’m quite comfortable with the reforms contemplated in those budgets,” Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey told the Times. “There are no political implications that I’m thinking about.” The Times notes that the last time the Ryan budget faced the Senate, five Republicans voted against it – including Sen. Ted Cruz, who thought it didn’t go far enough. But at least four new GOP senators, including Colorado’s Cory Gardner and Tom Cotton or Arkansas, are on record supporting it.

The plan also calls for capping and block granting Medicaid. Democrats and advocates haven’t done as good a job defending Medicaid as Medicare, but both are programs that mostly serve elderly and disabled people – 20 percent of Medicaid spending goes to in home and supportive care for seniors, and two thirds of spending overall goes to seniors and the disabled.

Republicans say their plan is a balanced budget over the next 10 years, though the president may be on track to get there sooner. The deficit has already fallen from $1.4 trillion in 2009 to $483 billion this year – or, as the Times puts it, from 10 percent of the economy to 2.8 percent. Their task will be made tougher, of course, by their plan for more tax cuts on corporations and the very wealthy.

As always, roughly a quarter of the cuts in the budget will hit programs for the poor, slashing food stamps, social services block grants and health programs for children. “Real people will get hurt,” says Maryland Democrat Rep. Chris Van Hollen. Sadly those cuts may not face as much opposition as changes to Medicare.

But Republicans are clearly interpreting last week’s historically low-turnout election – 38 percent of eligible voters showed up — as a mandate for slashing government. It’s going to be a long two years before voters can tell them what they think about it.
 
The fringe right seems to have deluded themselves into thinking they have won some sort of landslide with 53% of the Senate.

I am very much looking forward to the upcoming excuses to be proffered by the Cowardly Marine contingent here (AJ, Vetty, and the schmuck Miles).
 
It's stupid to try passing bills, knowing that Obama will not sign them and they can't be overridden. It's a waste of everyone's time. All it does is try to score political points. I hope the right realizes if this is all they are going to do then they are not going to get their wish of taking over all three branches of government next time around. I'm a moderate independent who leans right but I want the new congress to actually do something besides try to score political points in an attempt to have all three branches of government in 2016. It will backfire on them if this is the only strategy they can come up with. Both the far left or the far right just can't seem to ever get it that the majority of the American people don't want either a far left agenda or a far right agenda.
 
Don't reform medicare. Leave it as is.

The Trustees of the plan have told us it "self reforms" in 2030.
 
[shrug] They can always pass bills he will sign; I doubt that involves much guesswork.


The voters kicked the Dems out of the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014 becuase they just love the Prez policies.


You remember .... "My policies are on the ballot."
 
The voters kicked the Dems out of the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014 becuase they just love the Prez policies.


You remember .... "My policies are on the ballot."

Stupid Amber seems unwilling or unable to realize that the opposition party has gained seats in every single midterm election except one in the past 30 or so years. Stupid Amber seems to believe this is something new under the sun. Stupid Amber.
 
Medicare and Social Security are broken. Due to the unfunded liabilities we are on the dole for trillions.

Social Security - $16.4 trillion
Medicare - $86.2 trillion

The money that is taken out of your checks each week is being spent now. It's not being saved for your retirement. In a perfect world, young people should be able to opt out and put that money into a privatized system.

If I recall, Rand Paul had a bill that would slowly raise the retirement age along with means testing in order to try to fix the problem. I believe Reid stopped it along with everything else.
 
The fringe right seems to have deluded themselves into thinking they have won some sort of landslide with 53% of the Senate.

I am very much looking forward to the upcoming excuses to be proffered by the Cowardly Marine contingent here (AJ, Vetty, and the schmuck Miles).

Next up, the GOP proposes Death Panels to trim the Medicaid rolls.
 
lets face it KingofTards, Rob are all about welfare .... they want their neighbor to support them as these assholes are too lazy to pay their fair share
 
Medicare and Social Security are broken. Due to the unfunded liabilities we are on the dole for trillions.

Social Security - $16.4 trillion
Medicare - $86.2 trillion

The money that is taken out of your checks each week is being spent now. It's not being saved for your retirement. In a perfect world, young people should be able to opt out and put that money into a privatized system.

If I recall, Rand Paul had a bill that would slowly raise the retirement age along with means testing in order to try to fix the problem. I believe Reid stopped it along with everything else.

Social Security can be easily fixed by doing two simple things. Medicare is another matter. That's a landmine.
 
Medicare and Social Security are broken. Due to the unfunded liabilities we are on the dole for trillions.

Social Security - $16.4 trillion
Medicare - $86.2 trillion

The money that is taken out of your checks each week is being spent now. It's not being saved for your retirement. In a perfect world, young people should be able to opt out and put that money into a privatized system.

If I recall, Rand Paul had a bill that would slowly raise the retirement age along with means testing in order to try to fix the problem. I believe Reid stopped it along with everything else.



too many of the obama kind, that never paid in but expect the entitlement
 
That and the fact that people are living longer. When this started, I read that there were approx 17 young people for each old person. Now I think the ratio is 2-1.


agreed, big reason why pension plans are now officially ponzi plans. people are living 20 years longer then originally planned for
 
That and the fact that people are living longer. When this started, I read that there were approx 17 young people for each old person. Now I think the ratio is 2-1.

That's a skew caused by the babby boomers retiring and lower birth rates. No need to shit your pants.
 
Medicare and Social Security are broken. Due to the unfunded liabilities we are on the dole for trillions.

Social Security - $16.4 trillion
Medicare - $86.2 trillion

The money that is taken out of your checks each week is being spent now. It's not being saved for your retirement. In a perfect world, young people should be able to opt out and put that money into a privatized system.

If I recall, Rand Paul had a bill that would slowly raise the retirement age along with means testing in order to try to fix the problem. I believe Reid stopped it along with everything else.

It was always meant to be spent now. The idea that the money is taken out for you is a white lie told to make people feel better. In reality it has always been a direct transfer of wealth from the working to the non-working..

In a perfect world people would know the truth, accept the truth and deal with it. A privatized system that didn't along with a government sniper assigned specifically to take you out in the event your private company fucks up and you understandably start getting violent when you get hungry well you had the choice to do the right thing and choose to do the dumb thing.

Raising the retirement age is interesting I'd like to see studies on it's long term effects. Sure people will be working longer but that also means less opportunity for young people. I mean to use something people can visualize you know that every 80 year old Wal-Mart greeter is stealing a job from a sixteen year old right? And that's to say nothing of the thousands and millions of middle and upper management preventing younger people from getting promoted. It's a good recipe for a stalled society.
 
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