Ominous prediction indeed.

[Que]

@Payday...

When I was young, kids to pass the time in church used to pick a random page in the hymnal write discretely, "see page #___________" You would go there for another clue to another page and so on until you finally reached the end message, usually "You're dumb!!"

Your posts have a lot of substance buried in them but no one, (not even me) follows all those links and figures out what it is you are trying to say. I read everything I run across everywhere I go, but my brain cannot process endless sup-paragraphs if I don't have some idea what goes with what.

Give us a snippet of what the link is. please, so we have some idea whether its a direction that interests or not.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That shows me you understand, 'how to google' and have passed 'C&P 101', not that you have any idea what it states.

Now show me where I've stated what I believe. Arguing against what you believe isn't stating what I believe.

You may not take humour from this exercise, but I (and others) definitely are doing so.

You have gone bat-shit fucking crazy.

I do not even know how to respond anymore.

 

[PayDay]

It isn't anti-American. It is indoctrinated-American. The opinions expressed are common in the majority of people that have secondary education and the vast majority of those that have post-secondary education. (Save for Economists, Mathematicians, and Actuaries)

It goes back to the age old idea that government can positively influence an economy as long as it's motives are pure. Without regard to actual market forces or what real humans do when you put some "English" on the ball.

The only "economists" that believe any of that are the very ones being indoctrinated themselves and then teaching those insipid econ-101 courses to liberal arts majors.

No one anywhere applies that sort of faulty logic to making multimillion dollar business decisions about the allocation of capital.

I already did-----v
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=60966019&postcount=633
"Heart of the matter"

Tim Donnelly, a California assemblyman: "I don’t believe you can legislate evil out of the hearts of men.”

 

[PayDay]

@Payday...

When I was young, kids to pass the time in church used to pick a random page in the hymnal write discretely, "see page #___________" You would go there for another clue to another page and so on until you finally reached the end message, usually "You're dumb!!"

Your posts have a lot of substance buried in them but no one, (not even me) follows all those links and figures out what it is you are trying to say. I read everything I run across everywhere I go, but my brain cannot process endless sup-paragraphs if I don't have some idea what goes with what.

Give us a snippet of what the link is. please, so we have some idea whether its a direction that interests or not.

Link for later use:
"I already did."

I almost always add context to the link I post.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It isn't anti-American. It is indoctrinated-American. The opinions expressed are common in the majority of people that have secondary education and the vast majority of those that have post-secondary education. (Save for Economists, Mathematicians, and Actuaries)

It goes back to the age old idea that government can positively influence an economy as long as it's motives are pure. Without regard to actual market forces or what real humans do when you put some "English" on the ball.

The only "economists" that believe any of that are the very ones being indoctrinated themselves and then teaching those insipid econ-101 courses to liberal arts majors.

No one anywhere applies that sort of faulty logic to making multimillion dollar business decisions about the allocation of capital.

What you mean is that it's cold hard fact backed by links and you don't like it but have no way to refute any of it.

@Payday...

When I was young, kids to pass the time in church used to pick a random page in the hymnal write discretely, "see page #___________" You would go there for another clue to another page and so on until you finally reached the end message, usually "You're dumb!!"

Your posts have a lot of substance buried in them but no one, (not even me) follows all those links and figures out what it is you are trying to say. I read everything I run across everywhere I go, but my brain cannot process endless sup-paragraphs if I don't have some idea what goes with what.

Give us a snippet of what the link is. please, so we have some idea whether its a direction that interests or not.

He not smart enough to.

 

[Que]

That shows me you understand, 'how to google' and have passed 'C&P 101', not that you have any idea what it states.

Now show me where I've stated what I believe. Arguing against what you believe isn't stating what I believe.

You may not take humour from this exercise, but I (and others) definitely are doing so.

Ah, the Sgt Spidey defense. Point out how others ideas are ill-formed but hold off committing yourself so you have nothing to defend.

How is it they do not have you iggy'd? Is it because you are more articulate in not stating an opinion?

When you pick at the fabric on one side on an argument is more than reasonable to assume that you favor the contravening position.

If you do not want have positions ascribed to you

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, try actually articulating and defending what it is you do believe.

 

[PayDay]

@Payday...

When I was young, kids to pass the time in church used to pick a random page in the hymnal write discretely, "see page #___________" You would go there for another clue to another page and so on until you finally reached the end message, usually "You're dumb!!"

Your posts have a lot of substance buried in them but no one, (not even me) follows all those links and figures out what it is you are trying to say. I read everything I run across everywhere I go, but my brain cannot process endless sup-paragraphs if I don't have some idea what goes with what.

Give us a snippet of what the link is. please, so we have some idea whether its a direction that interests or not.

Also, you should read all the links in a post, if not, your call.

I always read something before I post it. The exception to that is I still haven't read the thing on the algae makes you stupid part. The full experiment on throat sickness where they foud the algae as a cause.

I'll get to it, after I catch up on this thread. Many of the links are just for posterity to prove it actually happened. LikeI link the quote I post, the link is just for reference to the context. How deep (derp) into it you go is your call. Most of this stuff is memory, so why should I retype an explaination I've already written.

 

[PayDay]

He not smart enough to.

boooooo hisssss booooo. You know better. >:l

 

[Que]

Link for later use:
"I already did."

I almost always add context to the link I post.

Perhaps you mostly do. I follow most of your posts fairly well. Sometimes, though I feel like I just parachuted into a thread (always possible too.)

Part of the problem is I read everybody, but I have almost 1/2 of them on iggy to remind me not to bother multi-quote them, since there is no point.

Constantly hitting "view post" to see who said what is a rodeo of my own making.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ah, the Sgt Spidey defense. Point out how others ideas are ill-formed but hold off committing yourself so you have nothing to defend.

How is it they do not have you iggy'd? Is it because you are more articulate in not stating an opinion?

When you pick at the fabric on one side on an argument is more than reasonable to assume that you favor the contravening position.

If you do not want have positions ascribed to you , try actually articulating and defending what it is you do believe.

lmao...

 

[Que]

Also, you should read all the links in a post, if not, your call.

I always read something before I post it. The exception to that is I still haven't read the thing on the algae makes you stupid part. The full experiment on throat sickness where they foud the algae as a cause.

I'll get to it, after I catch up on this thread. Many of the links are just for posterity to prove it actually happened. LikeI link the quote I post, the link is just for reference to the context. How deep (derp) into it you go is your call. Most of this stuff is memory, so why should I retype an explaination I've already written.

I would bet money that a positron emission scan of your brain would show a similarly virulent strain of ADHD as mine.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That must me a scary brand. I mean yipes.

 

[Que]

lmao...

You probably wouldn't recall but when I first tromped my muddy boots through the GB chasing a troll that I correctly guessed the warm welcome of the GB would cause him to implode...

Since I read everything that passes by me, I browsed the political threads. Thinking then (as now) what a retarded location to engage in such debate!

I was amazed, not just at the easily "refudiated" points of view expressed, but that those having them refudiated, did not seem to grasp how rhetorical argument works. This was beyond the familiar maxim, "never argue with a liberal because if they were capable of logical debate, they wouldn't be liberals."

This was just insane levels of chest-thumping pronouncements of "victory" when often a cogent argument hadn't even been posed, much less defended.

I started a thread pointing out things like logical fallacies are just guideposts to help you see and refute the other guys actual argument. But you still have to refute the premise he proposes, not just announce the name of the fallacious device used.

That went over like a lead balloon.

If I could find some "clean" threads and print them out for a 7th grade debate team, they would entirely dismiss some posters wholesale. Those same posters are quite sure they could hold their own with William F. Buckley.

It's weird.

 

[PayDay]

Perhaps you mostly do. I follow most of your posts fairly well. Sometimes, though I feel like I just parachuted into a thread (always possible too.)

Part of the problem is I read everybody, but I have almost 1/2 of them on iggy to remind me not to bother multi-quote them, since there is no point.

Constantly hitting "view post" to see who said what is a rodeo of my own making.

meh. Hell of your own making.

I would bet money that a positron emission scan of your brain would show a similarly virulent strain of ADHD as mine.

Then you don't know what you are looking at...

 

[Que]

That must me a scary brand. I mean yipes.

It was an unknown condition when I was in school. Not the ADHD part, we had "hyper" kids. I was never looked at, other than with praise for passing tests, but had I been looked at I would have been a small subset of test subjects that were "other." For lack of a better label it was called "MBD" minimal brain dysfunction. Turns out its just regular ADHD on steroids with an IQ high enough to get by... even if you only catch every 6th word the teacher utters.

My middle daughter is like that. Teachers love her. She makes them feel like the most competent teacher ever. She is a sponge.

 

[PayDay]

It was an unknown condition when I was in school. Not the ADHD part, we had "hyper" kids. I was never looked at, other than with praise for passing tests, but had I been looked at I would have been a small subset of test subjects that were "other." For lack of a better label it was called "MBD" minimal brain dysfunction. Turns out its just regular ADHD on steroids with an IQ high enough to get by... even if you only catch every 6th word the teacher utters.

My middle daughter is like that. Teachers love her. She makes them feel like the most competent teacher ever. She is a sponge.

Nope. Not me. I'm so not hyper.

 

[Que]

Nope. Not me. I'm so not hyper.

Well... the hyper part was never a tell for me either. I was always relatively well behaved and I could easily retreat inward if my mind was racing.

With me I had pressured speech (a stammer) until I learned to talk scary fast

The ADD without the H seems prevalent in people that can more or less follow my seemingly unrelated tangents. I was always in pretty affluent areas with plenty of nerds, so I assumed everyone (smart) is all over the place from subject to subject. I didn't know I was somewhere on that spectrum till I was 35.

You seem to have several conversational threads well in hand simultaneously. That is usually a fairly reliable marker. The guy who reluctantly diagnosed me initially said "How were your grades?" I said nearly all "A"s. "Oh well then you cannot have had it!" Which is false, of course.

 

[PayDay]

Well... the hyper part was never a tell for me either. I was always relatively well behaved and I could easily retreat inward if my mind was racing.

With me I had pressured speech (a stammer) until I learned to talk scary fast

The ADD without the H seems prevalent in people that can more or less follow my seemingly unrelated tangents. I was always in pretty affluent areas with plenty of nerds, so I assumed everyone (smart) is all over the place from subject to subject. I didn't know I was somewhere on that spectrum till I was 35.

You seem to have several conversational threads well in hand simultaneously. That is usually a fairly reliable marker. The guy who reluctantly diagnosed me initially said "How were your grades?" I said nearly all "A"s. "Oh well then you cannot have had it!" Which is false, of course.

Yeah. You really do not know what you are looking at.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It was an unknown condition when I was in school. Not the ADHD part, we had "hyper" kids. I was never looked at, other than with praise for passing tests, but had I been looked at I would have been a small subset of test subjects that were "other." For lack of a better label it was called "MBD" minimal brain dysfunction. Turns out its just regular ADHD on steroids with an IQ high enough to get by... even if you only catch every 6th word the teacher utters.

My middle daughter is like that. Teachers love her. She makes them feel like the most competent teacher ever. She is a sponge.

I've been told that I show various signs for crap, I just kind of ignore it at this point. I mean if I'm mildly autistic and that's why I don't get people. . .well oh the fuck well. It's not like knowing there is a medical term for how I am will change who or what I am.

I have a really hard time focusing on any one thing for a long time, you'd never guess it by the lengths of my posts or other things that I manage to do but it's like as I write this I have Gotham on, I'm talking to my room mate about how Naruto got way off track and you can't tell a story about how hardwork trumps good luck and breeding and then get to the end of the story and reveal that you couldn't hope for a better pedigree, the things that seemed to be people taking him under wing because they saw something special in him were secretly his God Father and knew a prophesy said this kid would change the fucking world cus it fucking undermines what you started with! I'm also here, and i've got another window open for my RP. when you type at 70+ words per minute blindfolded and drunk (which was really funny cus once my fingers weren't where they were supposed to be. . .) You can be a beast on the net.

In school I obviously had less things I was able to do to distract me.

 

[PayDay]

I mean if I'm mildly autistic and that's why I don't get people. . .well oh the fuck well.

You should really educate yourself on that subject before you insult someone, and many of their mothers.

It's not like knowing there is a medical term for how I am will change who or what I am.

Yes there is. There are many.

Introspection: noun:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/introspection
"the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes."

"Wisdom thoroughly learned, will never be forgotten" - Pythagoras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself

"Know thyself and thou shalt know all the secrets of all the gods in all the universe."

 

[Que]

I type horribly slow.

You are on the right track though... everyone is a little something. At first I rejected the suggestion from my family and my wife that i am classic ADHD. I argued that since everyone is a little this and a little that, to what degree does this dX apply to me? I went through the criterion again, slowly rating myself on a scale of 10 for each criterion and damned if I didn't have to admit that all of the criterion were at least an 8, most solid 10s.

I don't like the name. It is not a lack of attention and it is not a deficit of anything. It merely means I might well be hyper-focused on the "wrong" thing according to some external observer. If I am focused on it. It is the right thing. For me.

My youngest is a delight and clearly on the autism spectrum. She like her dad is on the aspey side. You wanna go count some cards?

I find dX only useful in that it leads me to try coping strategies and drugs. Bring on the drugs. People that make their livin counseling do not like to admit but no study shows coaching or counseling more effective than none, and drugs help like 75-80% of the time. If one is in a structured environment that requires a fixed attention span. Best bet, find an environment that feels right.

 

[PayDay]

This is killer stuff-----v from post #498
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62279331&postcount=498

That's difficult to say. And exactly what would that physical standard be, corn, wheat, gold, diamonds? No matter what you picked it too would be subject to manipulation. One of the reasons we abandoned the gold standard was because the price of gold on the world market exceeded the price that the US pegged to underwrite the dollar. Nations, France being the specific culprit, that were running a trade surplus with the US demanded their payments in gold which they turned around and sold on the world market at the higher price. The US could have revalued the gold standard at the time but that would have had the same effect as devaluing the dollar..........significantly. Instant inflation.

Ain't that a truthbomb. As far as a physical standard, as you say, everything is subject to manipulation. There was a neat quote of a quote from Superman Returns that always rang for me: "Land. It's the only thing they are not making more of." A monetary system based on land would have to be quality instead of quantity, otherwise the little ones get screwed and China or Russia stomp us all... and what do you count as mountain as? Volume? ha.

You could also base a currency system on the amount of investment in a nation. Say a bond standard monetary system. (NOT the bond market or bonds we have today) At that point, the only manipulation would come from government, and the rise, fall, and blame would be solely on their shoulder.

Or just use platinum or titanium instead of gold, there's much less of it, or any kind of rare precious metal/object.

I don't have as much of a problem with the fiat currency system we're operating under as some do. It's as good as any as long as everyone plays by the same rules. China keeps their currency purposely devalued to make their good more attractive on the world markets. It's a perpetual problem with them, but the peg the Yuan close enough that all we can do is bitch. Venezuela has their currency pegged far too high, which is the reason that it's sinking even further into the third world shit hole. Brazil and Argentina seem hell bent for leather to follow Venezuela's lead. Considering that both of those nations went down that road in the past and suffered the consequences you would think that they'd have learned. But their hugely socialist politics have trumped common sense it appears.

Venezuela seems to by trying to mix socialism and capitalism these days.

Then there is the BRIC's effort to try to set their own currency values to try to remove the dollar as the worlds reserve currency. An effort that will see China and India raping those that join them for their own betterment and if successful will see China and India at each others throat.

Ok... this part---^ confuses me, and appears to be a bold claim.

Getting back to the potential physical standard, right now there is a de facto standard and that is oil. As long as oil (portable energy) is the de facto standard the dollar will remain the worlds reserve currency. All of those spiffy alternatives are nice but they'll never supplant oil because when you get right down to it none of them are portable.

Makes you wonder about the carbon emission and environmental laws......... Yeah, big time. Oil really does control the swings in the market at times. If the FeD keeps killing oil usage stuff, we'll be forced to do a finacial system based on every other stock. That could be bad. Very bad.

And it turns out that the US is sitting on the worlds largest reserves of oil. A very beneficial condition for the nation that prints the worlds reserve currency. We have the power to control the prices (that should be obvious to even the most stalwart 'greenie' now). And that fact is in spite of our political leaderships best efforts to sabotage domestic portable energy production.

this-------^ It seems to me that the broken system is easily fixable. Lazy, greedy, politicians....

 

[PayDay]

Every CEO and business owner I know of wants to squash competition and fuck her employees. Its capitalism that keeps things functional because CEOs eat each other, too.

If you had your way we'd have a communist retail system where one store serves the peasants, one store serves the bureaucrats, and one store serves the perfumed princes. That is, one group eats assholes, another group eats genitals, and the princes eat filets and hams.

As callous as this is, JBJ's got a point.

Capitalism is self regulating (to an extent) as long as government does stick it's fingers in.

GM could have bit the farm and we'd be no worse for wear:

Here's what JBJ said in a much nicer form---v
http://www.debate.org/opinions/shou...t-private-companies-that-are-close-to-failing

Law of diminishing returns predisposes all companies to finite growth.*

It's Economics 101. In fact, it used to be 9th grade General Business. It's my understanding that hasn't been taught in public schools for 40 years so it's really not surprising so many people now can't grasp such basic economic principles.

There is no such thing as too large to fail. In fact, the opposite is true. If you prop up companies so massive they can't even feed themselves, you're throwing good money after bad and delaying the inevitable.

 

[PayDay]

We have two viable currency choices with which to devolve governmental power to ruin us with bubbles, gold and bitcoin.

Ok: Someone explain bit coin, it's a subject I know nothing about. I thought it collapsed?

 

[PayDay]

So this is at kbate: Could you frame the argument of these three posts into one complete statement?
I'm having a hard time understanding what your point is, it seems like partisan angst but there's something good here:

#358: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62250203&postcount=358

and you sound more and more like a Rush Limbaugh tape.

You still cling to the "No increase in prices despite all of these jobs having to go under American Labor laws" story while at the same time you and your 'bros' claim that a higher minimum wage will raise prices and destroy jobs".

So now how do you wish to reconcile your two theories about wages, job creation and market price?

Or is it just the, "That's another thread" thing?

Or do you also demand repeal of the minimum wage along with the expulsion order for 20 million illegals and while you're at it an end to social security, medicare, workman's comp and all taxes?

#363: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62250983&postcount=363

Who makes the minimum is irrelevant to this thread, but you're wrong about that claim as well.

Other wages do not track the minimum wage, in fact more jobs are dropped to the minimum than receive wage increases upon a government mandated raise the wage. Those who made 9 an hour will continue to make 9 an hour if the minimum wage becomes 9 an hour. The few who are worth more, will get raises 6 to 9 months after a minimum wage hike.

But nice try and nice red herring.

Dead right on the bold.---^ There is already some threads for that. I link'd them.

#277: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62218915&postcount=277

So you in your good time-honoured libertarian fashion wish to use government force to prevent labour from selling itself cheaply. No, you want to go full socialist and blame the management for being greedy dog-eat-dog tactics. If someone is willing to work for less, isn't it stupid for management to pay more?

The least amount a worker is willing to accept to do the labour is the value of the work. Isn't that the purity of John Galt's message?

If Americans wouldn't demand higher wages for work valued lower - then they would have those jobs and the illegals wouldn't be here at all. That's the entire economic theory you espouse. Labour deserves nothing except the price the labour market demands.

If you press companies to pay "living wages" while cheaper work is available, won't they follow your advice in the minimum wage thread and move to where labour is cheap?

...and then there is #287:

Yes indeed. 20 million will simply pack up and go home. Party's over.

there's some "right thinking".

I guess you plan to shoot them if they don't go.

I lol'd at this---^ and not in a mean way. We already have Law Enforcement in place the remedies this. On this one point I must disagree, getting rid of illegals would be no worse than a tune up on a used car. This isn't a partisan issue as it is a law enforcement issue.