Ominous prediction indeed.

[PayDay]

School yard bullshit and false premise are your stock in trade.

Right?!!

...but don't we al lsometimes

 

[cowslinger64]

Assumption. Party is irrelevant. There is always more than one definition to a word or phrase. How many Plumbers are working for a business they did not start?



The amount of wealth, I would think, is irrelevant. You obviously have a greater problem with how they made the money, as in 'shady tactics' -- something I think many in this thread would agree with, hence the good reading.



You're joking right?

You've really got shit twisted. Truth. Fact.

yeah..

 

[PayDay]

yeah..

You like to fuck yourself?

cwutididtharoutofcontext? lame.

 

[RobDownSouth]

As many as it takes. I pulled a few 70+ hour weeks back in the day to make ends meet.

You seem to be arguing out of both side of your mouth here:

• the left side says it's a replacement wage,
• but the right side says you may need to work more than 40 hours a week to make it a "liveable" wage.

It seems you want to have your cake and eat it too here. These two positions appear to be mutually exclusive. I'm sure you can explain why they're not.

This----^ is not true, there was one year where it averaged out the same for two years, 2011/2012 inflation calculation, otherwise, it has only ever increased. Also, inflation always matters, you cannot pretend that it doesn't matter.

Look for yourself:
the good one:---> http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
others: http://www.calculator.net/inflation-calculator.html http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

...and a post I already did:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62055523&postcount=770

You're all over the map once again. I don't care about inflation vis-a-vis other countries. Inflation in the United States has, for over a decade, been within historical averages:
Here is a graph from your site
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/Soonyigump/inflation_zps8e6cd108.gif

I've gone on record before with my assertion that the USA should strive for an inflation rate between 3 and 3.5%. Many economists feel, as I do, that that is an optimal number to push wage growth and productivity.

Anything less than that typically results in wage stagnation.

Now why don't you share what you feel an optimal rate of inflation should be.

Obviously, you don't.

Denial is very strong in your kind.

 

[cowslinger64]

You like to fuck yourself?

cwutididtharoutofcontext? lame.

lol...those were your words dummy. Adding my post doesn't add anything to help your assertion.


You really aren't any good at this.. that's a good part of why I said you seemed like a query alt.

 

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[unregistered]

 

[RobDownSouth]

School yard bullshit and false premise are your stock in trade.

You're the one with the schoolyard "fat" jokes and obsession with bodily functions, chum.

 

[PayDay]

You're all over the map once again.

Says you.

You seem to be arguing out of both side of your mouth here:

The grand scale.
To me, it seems you are arguing for a grand shceme.

• the left side says it's a replacement wage,
• but the right side says you may need to work more than 40 hours a week to make it a "liveable" wage.

It seems you want to have your cake and eat it too here.

...labels...

Who cares. Fuck them both if they aren't working for The United States.
This is America dude, learn the rules:
Individual > Political Affiliation/Agenda

These two positions appear to be mutually exclusive.

Duh?

I'm sure you can explain why they're not

Are you fucking retarded? Post #354:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62245795&postcount=354

This is a fun one for this thread:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-09-07-51-18

ELECTORATE DIVIDED BY DAILY LIFE, VIEWS ON ISSUES

Apparently, people of different political parties believe entirely different things.

Is everyone using a different versions of what is and isn't fact?

Or is it American Exceptionalism vs Left Wing History?

Or are there too many facts? Or too few?

Or is it simply 2 or more distinctly different opinions that refuse to compromise?

Rule #1:
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/read_thread_before_post.gif

I don't care about inflation vis-a-vis other countries.

Good for you. There you go again, grand scheme...

Inflation in the United States has, for over a decade, been within historical averages:

Are you fucking retarded? Look at the rate if inflation before 1900 and say that again so I can feel sorry for you.
No averages. No 'rates'. Look at how much it has inflated.

Here is a graph from your site

The link I posted.

I've gone on record before with my assertion that the USA should strive for an inflation rate between 3 and 3.5%. Many economists feel, as I do, that that is an optimal number to push wage growth and productivity.

Anything less than that typically results in wage stagnation.

Now why don't you share what you feel an optimal rate of inflation should be.

Zero.

Grand Scheme.
Grand Scale.

Totally different words. Look them up.

Your call.

Denial is very strong in your kind.

Lable: noun: verb
noun

a small piece of paper, fabric, plastic, or similar material attached to an object and giving information about it.a narrow horizontal strip, typically with three downward projections, that is superimposed on a coat of arms by an eldest son during the life of his father.another term for dripstone.

verb

attach a label to (something).

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/label
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/label

Stop it.

Also, get good lame post....

 

[PayDay]

lol...those were your words dummy. Adding my post doesn't add anything to help your assertion.


You really aren't any good at this.. that's a good part of why I said you seemed like a query alt.

Are you fucking retarded? Stop before I do to you what I just did to bob. (see above post #459)

AND FOR YOU NON READERS WHO THINK THEY CAN HANG:
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/8/frog_bump.jpg

#34: THE LARCH
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62185487&postcount=34

Which part specifically? Since most of that was agreeing with the OP and you didnt' call him out so clearly there is something you want answered besides there being less work that needs doing.

Ominus prediction:
http://www.wikihow.com/Pick-Up-on-Manipulative-Behavior

This just happened:

#1
Understand the characteristics of a manipulative personality. They're not always obvious because they play a silent game of building up obligations toward them, that end up with you feeling guilty, pressured, and obliged to carry out things for their sake even though you're still wondering how things got to this point.

3
Manipulative people will guide people to do things in certain way. Telling that this is for everyone's good. But actually they don't want to change themselves n want to stay in their comfort zone. So, will tell you stories about how someone actions created problems for everyone. They might scare you by telling sad endings like he/she was asked to leave by everyone. Don't fall prey to their stories. Just do what you think is write and essential. Of course considering others comfort also. But don't sacrifice your rights.

* A martyr style personality. This personality type behaves as if he or she is being considerate toward others but is actually messing up considerateness with a need to be significant to you. By "martyring" themselves, they are doing things nobody has asked of them or wants them to do but in the process creates a bind when they do them. In "doing you a favor", their expectation increases that you have to return the favor. They may also complain constantly about all the things they do for you and wonder rhetorically when you're going to return this favor.

"Here's the thing"

then this was next:

The guilt trip – this manipulative behavior seeks to make you feel guilty and is aimed at sending you into the land of "should" rather than standing up for your own values.

The assumption statement – this manipulative tactic seeks to turn your behavior into what the beholder perceives it as, whether or not their interpretation is accurate. Soon leads to a guilt trip because no matter what, your refutation is proof of the assumption.

Oh look what happened....

So no matter what I say this is coming next:

10
Beware of people who twist and distort facts to make them appear more attractive.

Game Over. cwutididthar?

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is an interesting myth that the American people have managed to tell themselves. Must be more of that American Exceptionalism I keep hearing about.

What was the genesis of the stupidity behind this concept of "living wage?"

By definition "minimum" wage is an entry level wage. As in "I would rather pay you nothing, or maybe do without your position than pay you."

Why would the lowest scale job in all of society pay enough to "earn a living." These are jobs designed to give one experience at the concept of getting out of bed, being on time, and following directions.

Technically you should have to pay for the training involved.

If everyone in society could simply roll off the turnip truck and do something, anything, no matter how marginally it contributes to a business and survive, what would ever be the point of acquiring skills, training and/or education?

If you cannot contribute enough on a minimum wage job to add enough value to get a raise, ever, without the government putting a metaphorical gun to the head of your employer you should not be encouraged to think of yourself as appropriate breeding material. You should not be encouraged to get an apt, a girlfriend and for sure not a kid.

Other than this semi-veiled Nazi speech about who is worthy of breeding and who isn't the reality is that the vast majority of people need the government to put a gun to the heads of employers to get paid enough under positive conditions. But lets address your fantasy.

The myth of the minimum wage being a living wage comes from FDR :"minimum standard of living necessary for health, efficiency and general well-being, without substantially curtailing employment".

At the same time children under 18 were required not to do dangerous jobs (which there were plenty that they were doing, sometimes because small hands can do shit us adults can't.) And children under 16 were required not to work during school hours. This was also before it was particularly common for women to work (but only by a few years.) so this both established what was clearly meant to be the minimum income necessary to be a bread winner it also put in a lot of work to artificially limit the workforce by eliminating large swaths of children. We've continued down that particular path.

So yes it was meant to be a living wage. We allowed it to stop being that.

As for the everybody falling off the turnip truck and doing something useful, the issue is there isn't much useful left to do. That was what the OP was saying. With this article. To sum that up it is the opinion of the author that 50% of jobs will vanish in the next fifteen years.

I personally think he's being a BIT optimistic. Even if robot surgery doesn't advance past this point the fact that the surgeon can be in another country has got to cut down on the number needed over all. No more need for that doctor out in Whocareslyvania who's only paid because when one of the twelve people there gets a cut you have to fly to the next real place. The simple reality is that anything that can be broken into parts can be done by a robot. (I'm sorry pay day, I don't know the proper phrasing so google will spit me out an article that says: Mechanical tasks can be taught to mechanical beings.)

Now we've had this problem to varying degrees since the industrial revolution. FDR solved it by saying if you want any labor at all you have to pay the person enough to live. This was not an entry level thing.

It never was. It was designed to be an entry level wage, but socialists having dumbed down the level of learning in the United States to a noncompetitive level, now strive to make it a living wage in order to keep their constituency alive long enough to make to the next election.

This is absolute hogwash. First it was designed to be a factory workers wage. Back when American's worked in factories and had a blue collar middle class. We can blame whoever we want for the education (psst, it's the people who who refuse to FUCKING FUND IT. Our schools should be fucking state of the art bar fucking none. I blame our weak as fuck teacher's unions.) however that's not what happened to our jobs.

The jobs that are going to illegals are primarily agricultural, janitorial and some fast food where they can get away with it. The primary jobs that went over seas are our factory jobs. Not because the American worker was to educated. If you want to "blame" it on us then it would be wiser to just call us spoiled. We started thinking we were actually worth $5.00 an hour, refused to get out of bed for less and the Chinese and Indians (primarily, as, and again I hesitate to credit Ish with teaching me things since he seems to take great offense. But I believe he posted an article a year or so back that suggests the Chinese have gotten a taste for the Middle Class and jobs will soon move from them to Sub-Saharan Africa because those starving Etheopians will literally ride a goddamn lion to work for 20 hours for .5 cents a day because that will make them the richest fucker in their village inside a week. I also embellished) We can complain about our students not being competitive in certain feilds for high education and. . .yeah problem but not the problem we're addressing.

I find it funny that you take offense at the idea of workers who are willing to work for less coming here to do labor but not at the employer moving his operations to where the workers are cheaper when stopping them would take at least the same amount of effort and probably less.

Also (until we hit whatever the actual maximum capacity is of people living in an area) the issues of the factory leaving are either the same (Americans without factory jobs) or actually worse American's without factory jobs or any of the periphery jobs. Certain jobs cannot be shipped overseas (Though many can be roboticized). Your grocery store (at least produce, I admit that other than fresh fruit and milk I'm too fucking lazy to go to the store any more.) has to be local. Restaurants, Hotels, Gas Stations, to some extent doctors (yeah I know what I stated above) road land scaping etc etc have to remain local. But without a factory plenty of cities pretty much up in smoke. So REALLY it's worse. Even if the local factory was filled with Mexicans it's better than the factory being in Mexico for the community. Because that money (taxes and purchasing power) will go directly to them.

By the by Vette. I know this is long, this paragraph here is for you. I would like your answer specifically on why you are against labor coming here for work (and willing to use the law to do it) but unwilling to wield that same power against employers who effectively do the same thing. Or why you think it's fundamentally different. I could give two fucks if you respond to anything else in this post.

 

[cowslinger64]

Are you fucking retarded? Stop before I do to you what I just did to bob. (see above post #459)

AND FOR YOU NON READERS WHO THINK THEY CAN HANG:
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/8/frog_bump.jpg

#34: THE LARCH
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62185487&postcount=34

Yeah...that was pure fail...for bob too.


Dumbfuck.


You should probably just go ahead and blow it out your ass.....wait, that's what you've been doing. Sorry, I don't have any advice for you.

 

[cowslinger64]

Here's some advice... I lied


Treating Anger Disorders: Anger Management Treatment Program Options

http://www.psychguides.com/guides/t...s-anger-management-treatment-program-options/

 

[PayDay]

Here's some advice... I lied


Treating Anger Disorders: Anger Management Treatment Program Options

http://www.psychguides.com/guides/t...s-anger-management-treatment-program-options/

lol @ angry RAWWRRRR BOOOOOAARD RAGE. That's not what I am at all.

Thanks for being a stereotype.

 

[cowslinger64]

lol @ angry RAWWRRRR BOOOOOAARD RAGE. That's not what I am at all.

Thanks for being a stereotype.

YOU'RE WELCOME!!!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Zero.

Zero inflation rate?
Okay, you've forfeited the right to serious discussion.
Back on ignore you go.
I tried.
p.s. Don't forget to declare "victory"!

 

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[Sean Renaud]

I must have missed that thing about ideal inflation being zero. I'm curious Pay Day, are you aware of the monumental amount of work the government would have to put into maintaining a zero percent inflation rate? I mean it's not impossible but the amount of power they would need to wield and the prophetic powers they would need to possess in order to make that work?

 

[RobDownSouth]

I must have missed that thing about ideal inflation being zero. I'm curious Pay Day, are you aware of the monumental amount of work the government would have to put into maintaining a zero percent inflation rate? I mean it's not impossible but the amount of power they would need to wield and the prophetic powers they would need to possess in order to make that work?

It's bad public policy, to boot. As we learned in the Bush Recession, deflation is every bit as bad for the economy as inflation...don't believe me? Ask Japan, they've had deflationary pressure since around 1990. Without wage growth (via inflation), sales cannot grow in industry.

 

[PayDay]

All together now.

Crosslink combo for non-readers: The story so far:

#387: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62254723&postcount=387
(GMT)

My opinion + reading factoid:
04-18-2013, 06:23 AM (edited 11/26/2013)
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost...&postcount=160

04-11-2013, 10:23 AM*
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost...9&postcount=73

Then: #391 http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62256187&postcount=391

That's some mighty thin gruel there. You give us the textbook definition of a reservation wage from a college midterm you found online. Please share with the class if you believe that the minimum wage is in fact a reservation wage, and if so, is it enough for a single person to live on.

Feel free to use your google-fu.

#393: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62254723&postcount=393

I already did? Making an argument is not having an argument. The midterm is for info, not the question.

Then, I get concur: #396: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62256371&postcount=396

Of course, you have no common sense, or economic knowledge on which to rely. Milton Friedman made that case long ago.

So two people offered info but he stood his ground on something, you may have a point, let me think this through for a few minutes.

...kids.

 

[PayDay]

I must have missed that thing about ideal inflation being zero. I'm curious Pay Day, are you aware of the monumental amount of work the government would have to put into maintaining a zero percent inflation rate? I mean it's not impossible but the amount of power they would need to wield and the prophetic powers they would need to possess in order to make that work?

Oh yes. Work is good. I'm workingon #461 right now

 

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[RobDownSouth]

I post in kind. You're the one obsessed with ascribing your characteristics of dishonor and racialist tendency, while wishing harm on other people's wives and children.

Vetty, I am of the opinion that you have no honor at all, as a person or a Marine. You're little more than a loathsome, bellicose coward. You merit no respect whatsoever. You're human filth.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh yes. Work is good. I'm workingon #461 right now

Even if you honestly believe that madness, it's not just the work aspect of perfectly balancing taxes, new dollars, births, deaths, the amount of goods in the market. This is like super computer combined with the oracle at Delphi style shit. I mean it's not impossible, in that same way we could build an underwater train to Israel. But dear god it's a monumental undertaking and for WHAT?!

 

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