Ominous prediction indeed.

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[eyer]

Because the United States of America doesn't have a right to be a country.

Which just proves how tribally socialist you are, vette...

...putting your favored collective forcibly above the natural liberty of the individual who commits no crime by freely wandering as God intended him to.

Kinda like when you pose to champion the great American foundational principle of free speech...

...and then campaign that a high school girl should be censored for simply expressing her views about a Republican governor.

Yep, you wail and wail against the "collective"...

...unless it's the kind of collective you favor, and then the individual must suffer your hypocrisy every friggin' time.

 

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[IrezumiKiss]

You are obviously not paying attention to the thread. Take your politirage and gogogo, take rob and vette and sean with you while you're at it.

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[Ishmael]

Which just proves how tribally socialist you are, vette...

...putting your favored collective forcibly above the natural liberty of the individual who commits no crime by freely wandering as God intended him to.

Kinda like when you pose to champion the great American foundational principle of free speech...

...and then campaign that a high school girl should be censored for simply expressing her views about a Republican governor.

Yep, you wail and wail against the "collective"...

...unless it's the kind of collective you favor, and then the individual must suffer your hypocrisy every friggin' time.

*Chuckle*

God has His own Border Patrol, St. Peter. And Adam and Eve's expulsion from the garden would be the first recorded act of deportation.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

God is commanding the illegals to move freely?

Does he part the Rio for them?

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

Is Cinco de Mayo the new Passover?

Crossover?

 

[Ishmael]

So you want to ridiculously insist on arguing that America is socialist because it has established borders and seeks to control them? Tell me where else you can just "wander" across borders and not be subject to the law there.

BTW, show me where I campaigned against a high school girl's right to free speech in regard to her governor.

Oh, Oh, I know!!!!!!!!

The border between Pakistan and Afghanistan AND the border between Syria and Iraq.

Ishmael

 

[Que]

*Chuckle*

God has His own Border Patrol, St. Peter. And Adam and Eve's expulsion from the garden would be the first recorded act of deportation.

Ishmael

Laughs.

Cherubim as Heavenly Border Patrol.

Oh, Oh, I know!!!!!!!!

The border between Pakistan and Afghanistan AND the border between Syria and Iraq.

Ishmael

Alright, Horshack.

 

[PayDay]

I was only in town for a wedding so I do not know the particulars in Oregon. Only that it was really odd.

It does not however make much sense. Pumping gas isn't an extreme sport, the worst I've ever had happen to me at a gas station is some fuckhead forgetting to pull the pump out of his F-350 before pulling away and spraying me with gas. I went to work (cus I was 90% of the way there) told them the deal explained I was going home for a shower and would be back in a little over an hour and they asked why I didn't call.


There is no good reason for teenagers to be employed. We do it because we're a sick society but employing teens, especially for something that any idiot can do is sick.

WTF? It makes perfects sense:
1. It keep the cost of insurance down.
2. It creates employment.
3. It lowers the cost of fuel distribution.

What's not to like? Do you enjoy pumping gas in a cold rain, or would you rather have the cheapest gas i the tristate and have someone else do it for you?

Simple logic, good fiscal policy.

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

Since New Jersey has a ridiculously low gas tax, where does the state make up the revenue?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Bikram Gill and his partners have bought up 26 New Jersey stations. They don't fix cars; they sell cappuccino. Their burden is finding workers to push the buttons on their self-service pumps. "Any idiot can do it," says Mr. Gill.

If that category includes New Jersey drivers, Mr. Gill figures self-service would let him cut prices by eight cents a gallon. Here's the rub: New Jersey drivers don't necessarily want cheaper gas. Gas here is cheap already.

Oregonians at least know they're paying dearly for their perk. But New Jersey has the country's third-lowest gas tax, after Alaska and Wyoming. Prices are way higher in the pump-your-own states next-door. Who needs self-service?

As Mr. Gill says, "The consumer is thinking, 'I have low prices and I don't have to get out of my car. New Jersey is heaven!'"

...

In 2006, then Gov. Jon Corzine took another shot at the law, proposing a self-service test on the New Jersey Turnpike. He wanted to watch prices drop, as cost-cutters like Mr. Gill say they will. The dealers' lobby didn't object. But the public did—so loudly that Mr. Corzine ditched his test before it began.

It doesn't sound like economics or insurance, it sounds like a mix entitlement and pandering.

 

[Que]

Since New Jersey has a ridiculously low gas tax, where does the state make up the revenue?

1) No such think as a ridiculously low tax on anything.

2) Ridiculously high taxes on property and income.

3) Progressives should want an abolition on all gasoline taxes since it is regressive. The poor pay a higher percentage of their income on gas taxes.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You may keep pretending that you are an adult.

As an adult, I beseech you, spitteth the marbles out of your mouth and give us a coherent response about how closed borders negate the concept of individual liberty. Would you advocate an open-door policy as the vehicle that actually creates Liberty and do the newly crossed get to vote and is that vote more, or less, likely to impinge upon the personal liberty of others as that vote-demand might be to redistribute wealth from those who have to those who just arrived?

A truly free person with individual liberty would have the right to go where he pleases, when he pleases, for whatever reasons he pleases. Obviously we don't do this because to various degrees for various reasons it's not a sane policy but that doesn't make us champions of liberty. IT makes us pragmatic.

No I would not advocate an open door policy. We have lots of reasons to want at least some control over our borders. There are terrorists in the world. There are diseases that are all but eradicated in this country (though in fairness to rich yuppies not having your kids vaccinated should be a goddamn crime. As should believing God will do anything more intervention in your life than raising the sun.)

The redistribution thing isn't really a logical part of that conversation. But as far as it goes ideally nobody enters the country who can't fend for themselves.

Course our Constitution only assures individual liberty for those within the jurisdiction of the United States, and we all know the SCOTUS ruled that "within the jurisdiction" means the country of origin for foreigners not yet citizens of the United States.

Sounds like you just figured out that it's the Constitution that gives you those rights. Not God, not nature. But men. Men with pens decided you have rights and they an just as arbitrarily decide to alter them.

WTF? It makes perfects sense:
1. It keep the cost of insurance down.
2. It creates employment.
3. It lowers the cost of fuel distribution.

What's not to like? Do you enjoy pumping gas in a cold rain, or would you rather have the cheapest gas i the tristate and have someone else do it for you?

Simple logic, good fiscal policy.

1. I'm curious how much it keeps insurance down and if it actually equals out to the cost of full time workers.
2. Creating artificial employment is stupid. I mean we could have people dig holes and fill them in or as someone mentioned everybody become glaziers and go around breaking windows. Which if you think labor/employment is good would be a grand plan. If you think material wealth (actual stuff) is better then it makes no more sense then burning down a library and rewriting everything by hand.
3. Clearly it has at best marginal effects on the price. Maybe this is just the effect of being gainfully employed but the 10-30 cent difference we seem to get (with a few exceptions like Hawaii being insane) in gas prices amounts to like 1.50-3.00 per fill up. I fill up like twice a month. I almost throw that much money at people just cus it's funny. Don't get me started on if I happen to see Sour Skittles.

If we're going to create labor for labor's sake there are worlds better places than that. Let's pay people to go to the fucking gym and stay in shape and lower our medical bills and have more people fit for military service if needed.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

1) No such think as a ridiculously low tax on anything.

2) Ridiculously high taxes on property and income.

3) Progressives should want an abolition on all gasoline taxes since it is regressive. The poor pay a higher percentage of their income on gas taxes.

I stand corrected. Their tax is much lower than most other states.

But Jersey is notorious for high taxation, so I was just wondering where the citizens of the good state are making up the difference and why they do not want to get a little bot of something off the people passing through on their roads...

 

[Ishmael]

1) No such think as a ridiculously low tax on anything.

2) Ridiculously high taxes on property and income.

3) Progressives should want an abolition on all gasoline taxes since it is regressive. The poor pay a higher percentage of their income on gas taxes.

In theory the gas tax is a 'use' tax that pays for the maintenance of the road networks.

As far as the 'poor' go, they don't drive. They don't drive because they don't have a license because they can't afford a license. Which is why they oppose voter ID. See? Get it?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

A truly free person with individual liberty would have the right to go where he pleases, when he pleases, for whatever reasons he pleases. Obviously we don't do this because to various degrees for various reasons it's not a sane policy but that doesn't make us champions of liberty. IT makes us pragmatic.

No I would not advocate an open door policy. We have lots of reasons to want at least some control over our borders. There are terrorists in the world. There are diseases that are all but eradicated in this country (though in fairness to rich yuppies not having your kids vaccinated should be a goddamn crime. As should believing God will do anything more intervention in your life than raising the sun.)

The redistribution thing isn't really a logical part of that conversation. But as far as it goes ideally nobody enters the country who can't fend for themselves.

...

But, in our country we are free to roam as much as we wish.

You are now arguing for closed borders and controlled immigration and thus, by your own argument not a champion of liberty. Does it not protect my liberty to close and control the border in order to make sure that we are not overrun by people who culturally have no understanding of liberty, but that do understand that with the simple expedient of voting, they can take other people's stuff out of a sense of "fairness?"

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

...
1. I'm curious how much it keeps insurance down and if it actually equals out to the cost of full time workers.
2. Creating artificial employment is stupid. I mean we could have people dig holes and fill them in or as someone mentioned everybody become glaziers and go around breaking windows. Which if you think labor/employment is good would be a grand plan. If you think material wealth (actual stuff) is better then it makes no more sense then burning down a library and rewriting everything by hand.
3. Clearly it has at best marginal effects on the price. Maybe this is just the effect of being gainfully employed but the 10-30 cent difference we seem to get (with a few exceptions like Hawaii being insane) in gas prices amounts to like 1.50-3.00 per fill up. I fill up like twice a month. I almost throw that much money at people just cus it's funny. Don't get me started on if I happen to see Sour Skittles.

If we're going to create labor for labor's sake there are worlds better places than that. Let's pay people to go to the fucking gym and stay in shape and lower our medical bills and have more people fit for military service if needed.

Occasionally, Keynes can be a gem. He was in India consulting on a canal building project when he observed that the workers carting dirt out by shovel and wheelbarrow would best replaced by the economic efficiency of power equipment. He was told that the goal was to create jobs and his retort was, "Why don't you give them spoons then?"

 

[Que]

In theory the gas tax is a 'use' tax that pays for the maintenance of the road networks.

As far as the 'poor' go, they don't drive. They don't drive because they don't have a license because they can't afford a license. Which is why they oppose voter ID. See? Get it?

Ishmael

What it actually pays for is Davis-Bacon union-scale wages, without regard to what a project could be done for given the actual cost of living in the area being paved. Making everything a Federal project is great union pork.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

1) No such think as a ridiculously low tax on anything.

2) Ridiculously high taxes on property and income.

3) Progressives should want an abolition on all gasoline taxes since it is regressive. The poor pay a higher percentage of their income on gas taxes.

Wrong again.

Jersey's state income tax isn't ridiculously high. In fact it's lower than Minnesota, Oregon, California, Hawaii, and Iowa. Property taxes are high, the highest median in the country, and our schools show it (3rd highest rating in the country).

Gasoline taxes pay for the roads for the most part. I suppose it could be changed over to a per mile driven tax. But it actually makes more sense the way it is. Larger, less fuel efficient vehicles cause more road wear and tear, burn more fuel, and so foot more of the tax bill.