Ominous prediction indeed.

[IrezumiKiss]

That's a lie. I pay him 40 bucks to do an hour's work.

Still sounds cheap as fuck for lawn maintenance, though. Even for just mowing your front and back ends. How many hours does it take to do both lawns, including clean up?

 

[PayDay]

Dear God payday why do you keep pretending like the U6 isn't a thing we are all aware of?

What basis of proof do you have for that?

Thread title, man, who cares what you think? Plus I'm entertaining myself, also Knowledge is power

State of Fear
http://www.wunderground.com/resources/education/stateoffear.asp

The newest Michael Crichton thriller, State of Fear, is a real page turner--in more ways than one, unfortunately. The book starts off in classic Michael Crichton tradition, with the bad guys gathering a baffling set of very specialized and expensive high-tech equipment--hypersonic cavitation generators, wire-guided projectiles, shaped explosives, a deep-diving submersible. They also quietly seek out a mysterious and worrisome collection of information, including data on hurricanes, tsunamis, use of explosives in seismic recordings, and more. As the bodies of those who get in their way begin piling up, it is clear we are dealing with a ruthless, well-organized foe with plans for major high-tech mayhem. The story is exciting and the pages turn quickly as we read on to find out just what kind of mayhem lies ahead.

On a scientific level, Crichton has obviously done a lot of research. The high-tech schemes of the baddies to create fake climate mayhem are all delightfully improbable, but based in fact just enough to leave you wondering if such things are really possible: (Not!)

http://heartland.org/press-releases/2005/01/11/michael-crichton-right?artId=16260

State of Fear is a devastating critique of radical environmentalism in general and global warming alarmism in particular. When the book appeared in 2005, Crichton was met with a barrage of attacks and distortions from leftists and radical environmentalists. Fenton Communications--a public relations firm with a long history of fanning public fears in order to advance liberal causes--even launched a Web site called RealClimate.org devoted to rebutting Crichton. That site still exists, and still pitches global warming alarmism.

But was Crichton right? In an extensive analysis of State of Fear presented below, the president of The Heartland Institute, Joseph Bast, catalogues all of Crichton’s scientific claims, checks them against peer-reviewed literature, and finds Crichton’s science was as strong as his narrative skills. Crichton was right, and thanks to his popularity as a novelist, millions of people around the world now know that global warming is not a crisis.

 

[PayDay]

12 Monkeys
www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/

http://www.svabhinava.org/reviews/12monkeys/

Indo-Egyptian eschatology and The Twelve Monkeys

mmm... Worldwide disease....

http://www.svabhinava.org/ImagesPeople/12monkeysHighChairEye.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

What basis do I have that you're pretending the U6 is a mystery to people or what basis do I have for thinking it's fairly common knowledge, at least around here?

If it's the former it's your language where you keep bringing it up like you discovered a great secret, if it's the latter I'm simply not going to be able to prove to you that the U6 is not a mystery to anybody posting here.

I honestly don't care which number you use so long as you are consistent. They are both good and both crap and my only real complaint about the U6 is Republicans seem to be hyper aware of it ever since Obama came into office but when Bush was still in office it didn't exist and I suspect that in 2020 when we get a new Republican President it'll magically vanish.

 

[PayDay]

What basis do I have that you're pretending the U6 is a mystery to people or what basis do I have for thinking it's fairly common knowledge, at least around here?

If it's the former it's your language where you keep bringing it up like you discovered a great secret, if it's the latter I'm simply not going to be able to prove to you that the U6 is not a mystery to anybody posting here.

I honestly don't care which number you use so long as you are consistent. They are both good and both crap and my only real complaint about the U6 is Republicans seem to be hyper aware of it ever since Obama came into office but when Bush was still in office it didn't exist and I suspect that in 2020 when we get a new Republican President it'll magically vanish.

1. Labels are lame.
2. Speaking for 'everyone' 'always' is lame
3. Assuming is lame.
4. Not posting facts for debate that back up your argument in a rebuttle is called: 'from left field'

 

[Sean Renaud]

1. Labels are lame.
2. Speaking for 'everyone' 'always' is lame
3. Assuming is lame.
4. Not posting facts for debate that back up your argument in a rebuttle is called: 'from left field'

1. Labels are necessary for communication.
2. Not speaking for 'everyone' is just silly false modesty.
3. It's not assuming, the U6 has been been discussed a great deal around here. So yes I am assuming the majority of people are aware of it, in the same way I'm assuming the majority of Americans are aware of Spiderman.
4. What would you accept as facts in this debate? A poll where nobody admitted ignorance? A post a mile long quoting every post I can find who's personally mentioned the U6 going back to 2009? Also it's not called from left field. Phrases have meanings. And there is nothing more regular than people on the internet claiming to be experts without supplying facts. In fact had I started out with a long list of facts that would be out of left field.

 

[PayDay]

1. Labels are necessary for communication.
2. Not speaking for 'everyone' is just silly false modesty.
3. It's not assuming, the U6 has been been discussed a great deal around here. So yes I am assuming the majority of people are aware of it, in the same way I'm assuming the majority of Americans are aware of Spiderman.
4. What would you accept as facts in this debate? A poll where nobody admitted ignorance? A post a mile long quoting every post I can find who's personally mentioned the U6 going back to 2009? Also it's not called from left field. Phrases have meanings. And there is nothing more regular than people on the internet claiming to be experts without supplying facts. In fact had I started out with a long list of facts that would be out of left field.

Post fact links for your anti-ominus prediction argument.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Which part specifically? Since most of that was agreeing with the OP and you didnt' call him out so clearly there is something you want answered besides there being less work that needs doing.

 

[PayDay]

Which part specifically? Since most of that was agreeing with the OP and you didnt' call him out so clearly there is something you want answered besides there being less work that needs doing.

Ominus prediction:
http://www.wikihow.com/Pick-Up-on-Manipulative-Behavior

This just happened:

#1
Understand the characteristics of a manipulative personality. They're not always obvious because they play a silent game of building up obligations toward them, that end up with you feeling guilty, pressured, and obliged to carry out things for their sake even though you're still wondering how things got to this point.

3
Manipulative people will guide people to do things in certain way. Telling that this is for everyone's good. But actually they don't want to change themselves n want to stay in their comfort zone. So, will tell you stories about how someone actions created problems for everyone. They might scare you by telling sad endings like he/she was asked to leave by everyone. Don't fall prey to their stories. Just do what you think is write and essential. Of course considering others comfort also. But don't sacrifice your rights.

* A martyr style personality. This personality type behaves as if he or she is being considerate toward others but is actually messing up considerateness with a need to be significant to you. By "martyring" themselves, they are doing things nobody has asked of them or wants them to do but in the process creates a bind when they do them. In "doing you a favor", their expectation increases that you have to return the favor. They may also complain constantly about all the things they do for you and wonder rhetorically when you're going to return this favor.

"Here's the thing"

then this was next:

The guilt trip – this manipulative behavior seeks to make you feel guilty and is aimed at sending you into the land of "should" rather than standing up for your own values.

The assumption statement – this manipulative tactic seeks to turn your behavior into what the beholder perceives it as, whether or not their interpretation is accurate. Soon leads to a guilt trip because no matter what, your refutation is proof of the assumption.

Oh look what happened....

So no matter what I say this is coming next:

10
Beware of people who twist and distort facts to make them appear more attractive.

Game Over. cwutididthar?

 

[PayDay]

The International
www.imdb.com/title/tt0963178/

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/feb/06/berlin-film-festival-owen-international

The International, starring Clive Owen and Naomi Watts, delivers a damning verdict on the workings of high finance under the tagline: "They control your money. They control your government. They control your life. And everybody pays."

Amid current events, critics said the film was an appropriate choice to headline the festival, which has never shied away from political and edgy themes. But the festival chief, Dieter Kosslick, said The International was chosen for the event long before the financial crisis erupted last year. "When we decided to open the festival with Tom Tykwer's financial thriller we did not know that his fiction would soon be overtaken by reality," he said.

 

[PayDay]

What gold? (public article Phro, not subscribe, just for you )
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ca2c9dd0-6428-11e4-bac8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3ISczd6Ws

When the price of gold collapsed in the summer of 2013 Chinese buyers stepped in sensing a bargain, in the process putting China ahead of India as the world’s largest consumer of the precious metal.

This year, however, Chinese buyers have been conspicuous by their absence – and gold prices this week have hit a four-year low. Retail consumption fell by a fifth to 754.8 tonnes in the first nine months of the year compared with the same period last year, according to the China Gold Association, and few analysts believe it will rebound in the coming months even though bullion is at a five-year low in local currency terms.

“There is a natural caution on the part of buyers and they don’t want to catch the proverbial falling knife,” says Philip Klapwijk, managing director of Precious Metals Insights, an industry publication. “Chinese consumers are a little bit wary – last year they piled in with the correction of the price. There isn’t the same conviction that it’s a temporary blip down [this year].”

 

[Sean Renaud]

You could have just said no I cannot specify what I want clarified so instead I'm just gonna say random shit.

 

[PayDay]

You could have just said no I cannot specify what I want clarified so instead I'm just gonna say random shit.

You're obviously not paying any attention. All you had to do was post a link or two, but noooo....

http://www.cracked.com/article_1564...-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

5 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Apocalypse Could Actually Happen

Better yet: Mathematical Probability:
http://www.theweeklyconstitutional....-zombie-apocalypse-a-mathematical-probability

If you are anything like me you have spent many a good while dumping pondering on the real questions of life. One question that has come back to me time and time again has always been the likelihood of survival from Zombie attack.

Many nights have been spent around my couch discussing that same question with my friends... the hopelessness of the presented scenario hanging as low in the room as the dank cannabis smoke that begot it.

Finally a group of mathletes from the Great White North have put grey matter to a problem for too long left to potheads to sort out and plan for and have worked out a formula (as well as a computer model to sort it all out) to give humanity a chance.

http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/images/stories/News/We_Cant_Explain_it/Zombie-apocolypse-a-mathmatical-probibility/formula.jpg

According to their big brains, by taking the number of susceptible (noted as "S")and the number of infected (noted as "Z"), making sure to note the number of infected and susceptible (noted as "R") already killed off by the infection and doing something mathematical with said numbers (if you can make out the formula provided more power to ya... Sadly, I used my math book for rolling paper more often than I did for homework). So using this formula, just how long would humanity have if being plagued by a zombie virus?

According to the numbers, should a zombie outbreak strike a city with a population of roughly five hundred thousand, it would take three days for the zombies to outnumber the remaining human survivors, with the chances for total infection advancing exponentially once that high water mark is reached.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There is nothing to link to because you won't fucking specify what precisely you want. AGain you didn't call out Ishy and 90% of my post is in agreement with his statement.

So one last time, can you name one things you need clarified, not "Sean go tell me everything about reality that should really already know." Because if that's your answer I'm just gonna link you to Wikipedia and leave you there until you come back smarter.

 

[PayDay]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/thread-hijack.jpg

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-62-trillion-long-term-deficit-andrew-stiles

Obamacare will increase the long-term federal deficit by $6.2 trillion, according to a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report released today.

Senator Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.), who requested the report, revealed the findings this morning at a Senate Budget Committee hearing. The report, he said, “confirms everything critics and Republicans were saying about the faults of this bill,” and “dramatically proves that the promises made assuring the nation that the largest new entitlement program in history would not add one dime to the deficit were false.”

President Obama and other Democrats attempted to win support for the health-care bill by touting it as a fiscally responsible enterprise. “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future,” Obama told a joint-session of Congress in September 2009. “I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period.”

The new report exposes the “lack of honesty” surrounding such claims, Sessions argued. “The big-government crowd in Washington manipulated the numbers in order to get the financial score they wanted, in order to get their bill passed and to increase power and influence,” he said. “The goal was not truth or financial responsibility, but to pass the bill. This is how a country goes broke.”

The GAO report is essentially the first attempt to isolate and calculate Obamacare’s impact on the deficit beyond the traditional ten-year budget window. GAO ran two simulations “based on broad sets of assumptions about health care spending and other components of federal spending and revenue” over a 75-year period. First, a baseline-extended simulation, which “illustrates the long-term outlook assuming federal laws (applicable at the time the simulation was run) remain unchanged,” and second, an alternative simulation, which “illustrates the long-term fiscal outlook assuming historical trends and policy preferences continue.”

The GAO report:
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-13-281

The effect of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), enacted in March 2010, on the long-term fiscal outlook depends largely on whether elements in PPACA designed to control cost growth are sustained. There was notable improvement in the longer-term outlook after the enactment of PPACA under GAO's Fall 2010 Baseline Extended simulation, which assumes both the expansion of health care coverage and the full implementation and effectiveness of the cost-containment provisions over the entire 75-year simulation period. However, the federal budget remains on an unsustainable path.

Yowza.

 

[PayDay]

There is nothing to link to because you won't fucking specify what precisely you want. AGain you didn't call out Ishy and 90% of my post is in agreement with his statement.

So one last time, can you name one things you need clarified, not "Sean go tell me everything about reality that should really already know." Because if that's your answer I'm just gonna link you to Wikipedia and leave you there until you come back smarter.

"The guilt trip – this manipulative behavior seeks to make you feel guilty and is aimed at sending you into the land of "should" rather than standing up for your own values."

Keep it up, I'm LOL'ing

 

[PayDay]

I always thought it was funny no sports commentator ever dropped a line or two in recognition of this:

Happy Gilmore
www.imdb.com/title/tt0116483/

http://billysimpson.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/happy-gilmore-tiger-woods/

“Happy Gilmore” is a movie that parallels the career and uprising of Tiger Woods because of each of their respective place in history. It is a subjective movie that poses an inflicted subject position. On one hand, anything that grows the game is a positive, this principle coincides with, ‘all press is good press.’ On the other hand, some may see the unusual crowds and their commonplace demeanor as disrespecting the game.

Gilmore vs. Shooter anyone?
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Local-Boy-Out-Drives-Tiger-Woods-64788127.html

While displaying his new golf course design in Asheville, N.C., Woods hit a few tee-shots down the fairway. After shooting two of his balls into the trees, Woods challenged anyone watching to do better.

Young Mark did just that.

“He called me from the crowd of, like, 100 people,” said Mark. “I wasn’t really nervous but then I got nervous when I stepped up.”

Woods handed Mark the driver and with an easy swing, the South Jersey boy hit a straight shot down the middle, about 200 yards. In humorous disbelief, Woods said, “Do that again. We’ve got to see that again.”

So Mark did it again.

 

[Sean Renaud]

"The guilt trip – this manipulative behavior seeks to make you feel guilty and is aimed at sending you into the land of "should" rather than standing up for your own values."

Keep it up, I'm LOL'ing

Good, because it's kind of sad. If I were incapable of asking questions like you apparently are I'd have to laugh at myself ot keep from crying too.

 

[PayDay]

Good, because it's kind of sad. If I were incapable of asking questions like you apparently are I'd have to laugh at myself ot keep from crying too.

"The assumption statement – this manipulative tactic seeks to turn your behavior into what the beholder perceives it as, whether or not their interpretation is accurate. Soon leads to a guilt trip because no matter what, your refutation is proof of the assumption"

You still haven't posted a single link to you theories.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You still haven't specified which theories specifically you want. Going to do a research paper for someone who can't say, "can you explain this to me."

 

[PayDay]

You still haven't specified which theories specifically you want. Going to do a research paper for someone who can't say, "can you explain this to me."

This is not rocket science:
All of this. Back it up. You said it:

Dear God payday why do you keep pretending like the U6 isn't a thing we are all aware of?

Here's the thing. Obviously this is true, while the dates and percentages may or may not be accurate the fact that jobs are vanishing is undeniable. I suspect those numbers are actually a little low and some of the jobs that people think are safe aren't. I don't remember who it was, I think it may have been you but I'll refrain from accusing you of educating me about anything since you take great offense flattery, that any job that can be broken down into parts can be automated.

Right now a lot of people seem to think that plumbers and automotive repair will remain and they may take a little longer to go away than other jobs but honestly I don't see any reason why those jobs would last indefinitely, not in a world where it's clear we aren't but so far away from if not full on robot surgery certainly heavily robot assisted surgery. Robots will have steadier hands than any human and honestly a doctor who doesn't have to be in the room but can instead due surgery in Africa from his office in New York is going to eliminate a certain amount of jobs just because he'll be able to do "more" work in more locations instead of needing a doctor willing to live in "x" location.

However this is an insanely stupid problem to have. (One Keynes solved long ago) The lack of jobs isn't being coupled with a lack of actual stuff. Physical wealth is still up. Our problem is that we're going to have too much spare time and have no fucking clue how to distribute wealth (the actual wealth. Not the score keeping bits we call money) However it's simple.

Decrease the work week for starters. A decrease in what is considered full time from 40 hours to 30 hours would likely go a LONG way in "creating" jobs. We did this during the Great Depression, well that time we made an official work week and prior to that there was no rule. We eliminated most child labor as well. So do that.

Get more people educated in more things. More of those so called "worthless" degrees. Despite what Republicans like to preach there is really no such thing as bad knowledge. Having people who specialize in teaching people calligraphy or ancient Roman battle manuevers is ultimately of no more or less use than many of things we consider mandatory today. I know some people find daily use for math beyond the basics but I've honestly never needed to measure a flag pole by it's shadow. The only use I've ever had for Shakespeare is having some universal frames of reference to speak with people about. So ultimately a working knowledge of Shakespeare today is of LESS use than a working knowledge of 24, James Bond or Batman. I'm in no way saying not to teach those things, I'm saying I don't remember the last time someone referenced Shakespeare beyond huge sweeping things like Romeo and Juliet.

Ultimately if we can't figure out away to pay off debts, which is ultimately score keeping is we deserve whatever the fuck happens to us.

...and I already asked:

Post #22:

uh-oh....

Post some reading material.

Post #27

What basis of proof do you have for that?

Post #30

4. Not posting facts for debate that back up your argument in a rebuttle is called: 'from left field'

Post #32

Post fact links for your anti-ominus prediction argument.

Post#38

You're obviously not paying any attention. All you had to do was post a link or two, but noooo....

Post #44

"The assumption statement – this manipulative tactic seeks to turn your behavior into what the beholder perceives it as, whether or not their interpretation is accurate. Soon leads to a guilt trip because no matter what, your refutation is proof of the assumption"

You still haven't posted a single link to you theories.

Do I need to ask again?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh, you really aren't playing. You really are that fucking stupid. The first thing on your list I have admitted I have no way of proving that you would accept. The rst of that is far too broad for me to explain because if you're even asking you don't have the bare minimum information to be in the conversation.

 

[PayDay]

Oh, you really aren't playing. You really are that fucking stupid. The first thing on your list I have admitted I have no way of proving that you would accept. The rst of that is far too broad for me to explain because if you're even asking you don't have the bare minimum information to be in the conversation.

ROFL @ It's my fault. Post a link to advocate you super long rant theory or it's 100% bullshit.

The phrase I like is: unverfiable without a basis of proof.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Fine. It's 100%. Cars don't exist, I made them up and those metal things you see outside are figments of your imagination, we also aren't having this conversation because no such thing as the internet exists. If you accept that the internet is real and so are cars the original statement is not 100% false.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

While watching tv last night I noticed that much of America makes its money sitting on its ass insulting others and blabbering about banal current events. Pay attention the next time you see a government committee on tv. Hundreds of people doing nothing. When was the last time Bill O'Reilly hit a lick? Or Rachel Madcow. This doesn't count the 1/3rd of America who collects a gubmint check for old age or disability or unemployment.