Single Author Flooding BDSM?

[lovecraft68]

I hadn't reported anything yet - I was using this thread to kind of get the consensus of others before I jumped to conclusions. It seems some are making a case that someone made a new account and was re-listing their stories. Although why a person would need to do that when the old account is still extant is beyond me. Maybe no access to the original email addy? Trying to get old, buried stories some new play?


Heyoooo!! Hehe.




See and I saw it another way. Rather than congratulating her for her witty comeback, I more just wondered how they function in life if that's how they talk to other people. Yeah, it's fun to run your mouth at someone who pisses you off, but in the real world where you have to market yourself and win people to your side, that kind of attitude is not going to fly, at least not for very long. Maybe I'm just a doormat, but I would never say something like that, not even to people who make me want to rip my hair out. Different strokes (or stroke stories), I guess.

I understand your point, and in a perfect world we would all conduct ourselves in an adult manner and be seen as the better person.

But with internet trolls? Personally I see them as less than a pile of moldering shit that's been sitting in the yard for three days in a heat wave. I Have no issues with someone calling them what they are.

And fact is the scores are so low....who'll notice a couple of more bombs?

 

[JKendallDane]

This situation, now that we have the facts, does raise another interesting question.

Where *IS* the fine line in taking advantage of Lit's eyeball numbers and doing self-serving commercial promotion with submitted stories?

I have always assumed it to be drawn at anything beyond mentioning pretty much anything you desire in the bio section of your author pages, having a hot link to your website, blog, or Facebook page that only works via the contact tab there, and of course the promotional tag lines here in the forums. The stories themselves were to be totally off limits.

What I have been seeing too much of lately though, are website links and blatant ads to go somewhere to buy their other books being inserted in comments on the stories. Even worse are the ones that really exploit that opening by getting readers hooked on a series with teaser chapters and then cease submitting them after three or four...but an "anymouse" comment suddenly appears that says "You can buy the rest of the book at Amazon or SW or the author's website. It's really worth it!"

To me, that is waaaaay over the acceptable line. While it may be a backhanded compliment to Lit's drawing power, it is also saying: "Fuck Lit now that I have more attention and eyeballs than I can get anywhere else. You want the rest of the story, pay for it!"

 

[lovecraft68]

This situation, now that we have the facts, does raise another interesting question.

Where *IS* the fine line in taking advantage of Lit's eyeball numbers and doing self-serving commercial promotion with submitted stories?

I have always assumed it to be drawn at anything beyond mentioning pretty much anything you desire in the bio section of your author pages, having a hot link to your website, blog, or Facebook page that only works via the contact tab there, and of course the promotional tag lines here in the forums. The stories themselves were to be totally off limits.

What I have been seeing too much of lately though, are website links and blatant ads to go somewhere to buy their other books being inserted in comments on the stories. Even worse are the ones that really exploit that opening by getting readers hooked on a series with teaser chapters and then cease submitting them after three or four...but an "anymouse" comment suddenly appears that says "You can buy the rest of the book at Amazon or SW or the author's website. It's really worth it!"

To me, that is waaaaay over the acceptable line. While it may be a backhanded compliment to Lit's drawing power, it is also saying: "Fuck Lit now that I have more attention and eyeballs than I can get anywhere else. You want the rest of the story, pay for it!"

Oh, you mean like this person?

http://www.literotica.com/s/switch-ch-03

Yup, someone conveniently mentions where the finish can be found.

There's a lot of this and its supposed to be against the rules, but its another thing not generally looked at.

 

[sr71plt]

I wasn't too thrilled about the Switch business myself. I did a content edit on the whole thing--for Lit. posting, and suddenly it stops here and the complete book is off in the marketplace making pretty good money.

 

[JKendallDane]

I wasn't too thrilled about the Switch business myself. I did a content edit on the whole thing--for Lit. posting, and suddenly it stops here and the complete book is off in the marketplace making pretty good money.

Did you ever question her on why she not only shit on you, but also the Lit readers?

 

[lovecraft68]

Did you ever question her on why she not only shit on you, but also the Lit readers?

There was an author here named Candlelight062 that had a bunch of 4 chapter incest stories on here and the rest in e-book form. One day she pulled all her stuff and never posted again, I wonder if she was warned? Her account is here, so she wasn't banned.

But a lot of authors do it

 

[JagFarlane]

I kind of felt it only fair to not do things like that to the readers that have helped me to become a better writer. Some people don't have that sort of loyalty though, our society tends to lean a bit more towards being cutthroat.

 

[lovecraft68]

I have the finale of SWB for sale.....

But it was here for a few months before someone reported two of the chapters from extreme violence and they were pulled. I wasn't going to re write them so I removed the other chapters as well.

But in my case there is still 44 chapters of the series here and it does have a conclusive ending the "finale" was a what happens next story, kind of a sequel so I don't feel I'm screwing anyone.

Plus is anyone contacts me about it from lit I give them a 50% off coupon for it.

 

[JKendallDane]

There was an author here named Candlelight062 that had a bunch of 4 chapter incest stories on here and the rest in e-book form. One day she pulled all her stuff and never posted again, I wonder if she was warned? Her account is here, so she wasn't banned.

But a lot of authors do it

You mean four chapter teasers with the rest of the story in "must purchase" eBooks?

To me that kind of bullshit is the epitome of abusing the site, the general readership, AND the fans they pick up only because of the exposure here.

 

[JKendallDane]

I kind of felt it only fair to not do things like that to the readers that have helped me to become a better writer. Some people don't have that sort of loyalty though, our society tends to lean a bit more towards being cutthroat.

I've often wondered if some of the writer sites and maybe even some third party publishers and distributors don't whisper, "Post a couple teaser chapters on Lit," to some of these people as "marketing tips" for authors?

 

[lovecraft68]

I've often wondered if some of the writer sites and maybe even some third party publishers and distributors don't whisper, "Post a couple teaser chapters on Lit," to some of these people as "marketing tips" for authors?

The person who has been publishing some of my stuff to different sites keeps telling me to stop posting here for free.

 

[JagFarlane]

I've often wondered if some of the writer sites and maybe even some third party publishers and distributors don't whisper, "Post a couple teaser chapters on Lit," to some of these people as "marketing tips" for authors?

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[sr71plt]

Did you ever question her on why she not only shit on you, but also the Lit readers?

Nope, I just wrote it off. I doubt she knows she was doing anything wrong. (And I don't run on hate.) That doesn't mean I'll do that again. It's a long book.

 

[JKendallDane]

Nope, I just wrote it off. I doubt she knows she was doing anything wrong. (And I don't run on hate.) That doesn't mean I'll do that again. It's a long book.

My question had nothing to do with hate or any other emotional response.

<shrug>

If you believe it was done by honest (or even otherwise) ignorance, then why not educate her in a "just a little advice" manner? I would think silence only encourages her to believe what she did was acceptable protocol here.

 

[sr71plt]

And I think you're just trolling for a fight. Tough. I don't have to answer to you for anything--especially considering what a dick you've been to me on the forum.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Uhoh. I just scored errantkitten's The Android Domme a '5' - 1. because it was well written, didn't mess around pretending to be able to do high-brow descriptions of the ceiling and the drapes while some action scene is going on, 2. because it was still pretty adventurous dealing with this risky concept of a robot or android dom/domme - and I give the author points for 'falling on the side of the human domme' (although I don't necessarily fully subscribe to that philosophical point of view personally; I do know some off-world androids who are pretty fun people - I don't hold it against them that they are not biological in the way we know biological locations of consciousness.)

And from the style of writing I just saw this is not the sort of person I would be concerned about 'infiltrating' the world of BDSM.

I would easily say this author is very competent - AND in the professional sense of the word when applied to writing. The writing is of the kind that ends up being produced in film somewhere... It's that sort of terse, action-based sentence construction.

Pumping out too many stories and overpowering the category? Yeah that could be an issue for the low-percentage output but high quality writers - and that's why errantkitten is also entitled to be slapped with a folded up copy of the New York Times!

 

[lovecraft68]

She said in her own comment she writes "porn"

On a personal level I don't believe in BDSM "porn" because it takes away from where BDSM is really played; in the mind.

I am sure however, that after being accused of being a thief in her comments and if she ever finds this thread it will all be made better because you approve of her writing

On a BDSM note I've had a lot of people ask me why I don't write it here. Three of my first half dozen stories here were in that category and I haven't gone back since.

That reason is I guess the best way to say it is I'm a BDSM snob. Half or more of that category is full of authors who are mini EL James who have no clue what they're writing and the inaccuracies drive me crazy.

Then we have endless stories that are really non con/reluctance, but either the author doesn't understand that or they don;t want the stigma of the non con category.

There are plenty of authors there whose stories show they know their game so to speak, but I got tired of searching through the crap for them.

Something for everyone here, but the average story over there is annoying to me. Same for the forum. Lot of knowledgeable posters there, but too many asshole "doms" who think every woman is there to serve him as their cyber subs and even with the legit people...

Hmmm what happens when you put a bunch of "alpha dom" personalities in a thread togther

But....its more amusing than fet life by far.

 

[Learin]

Hmmm what happens when you put a bunch of "alpha dom" personalities in a thread togther

Gigantic egotistical explosions?

 

[redzinger]

Even worse are the ones that really exploit that opening by getting readers hooked on a series with teaser chapters and then cease submitting them after three or four...but an "anymouse" comment suddenly appears that says "You can buy the rest of the book at Amazon or SW or the author's website. It's really worth it!"

The freebie cliffhanger novel is all over the place now though, it's really starting to piss me off. I read a book the other day, must have been 80k or more, which ended in a cliffhanger. After 80k? Fuck off.

 

[Sammael Bard]

There isn't any Authority that says what BDSM should be and what should it be like. Only suggestions with logical explanations by the people who live that Lifestyle.


Just a simple rule: Safe, Sane and Consensual.


Most BDSM erotica out here leave out that last part and even though the acts would tell otherwise, they ignore the first part too. As LC said, most of them should end up in Non Con rather than BDSM. But since, there isn't a "rule" here in place, I'd say that we have to contend/satisfy ourself with ignoring the pieces of trash.

 

[redzinger]

I've often wondered if some of the writer sites and maybe even some third party publishers and distributors don't whisper, "Post a couple teaser chapters on Lit," to some of these people as "marketing tips" for authors?

The person who has been publishing some of my stuff to different sites keeps telling me to stop posting here for free.

I'm in a bit of a quandary on one of mine, by mistake.

I have contracts which state that the publisher has first refusal on any of my other work. When I submitted Playing Power Games to the Val contest earlier this year, at 11k it fell outside of what they were interested in as their guidelines start at 15k.

I never intended on extending it (it does not finish on a cliffhanger just what may be called a teaser), but have done so as I had a few requests and felt that there was still some story worth telling. This means it now meets their requirements, and in the meantime, the editor in charge has changed. I dropped them a message about another piece of work, and mentioned this at the end, thinking they wouldn't be interested as it's been published here. Nuh-oh, they want to consider it.

So, instead of uploading the second part here, it's off to the publishers...
(Before anyone cites the contest rules, I do understand that I can't remove a contest story, so that's what I'll say if they ask for the full rights.)

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

LC68 - there's a lot in what you say I agree with pretty much completely; there are a lot of people in that forum who know everything about everything; even I wouldn't be so bold as to pretend I do!!!

Yeah and I think I'm a BDSM snob too.

Haven't much gone back there or stuck stories there for much the same reasons that you pointed to...


I'm assuming that by 'porn' you mean 'stuff that is ONLY done for money...?' Or, MERELY exploitational...?

Porn to me is art that is done by someone with a stack of time on their hands and which tries to go beyond the standard sexual material because they are already bored with that because they do so much of it in rl. Porn to me is what highly sexually active, almost dissolute people indulge themselves about in order to try and amuse themselves.

I've heard some people I really respect talk about porn as problematic because it avoids real personal connection too much... And that, certainly, does describe a certain, very common type of porn, though not all 'porn.'

 

[HeyAll]

Looks like the person who's been flooding the bdsm section finally had their account deleted. The stories are gone.

 

[Aurelius_PG]

Yay, I'm back in the recent stories list.

But really this unseemly episode should never have happened. Why did Literotica flood their own story list? Not as if they're ever short of stories.

 

[JKendallDane]

Looks like the person who's been flooding the bdsm section finally had their account deleted. The stories are gone.

Yeppers: http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=2176527 Good catch, HeyAll.

To be honest, I'm a little surprised at the outright banning. On the surface...between errantkitten admitting to using multiple pen names and the link to her website that seemed to back that up...I would have thought the worst Laurel would have done was delete the live link and MAYBE a Mama Kitty paw slap of 'Don't do that again!' But to nuke her completely?

Maybe there is more to this story that we will never know. <shrug>