The Republican Party’s electoral philosophy: Cheating wins

[KingOrfeo]

Some still think we have two political parties and there is a difference in republicans and democrats.

Both parties are owned by Wall Street, the corporations and the 1%.

The difference is that the Dems are not wholly owned, not quite.

 

[KingOrfeo]

what is wrong with showing a valid id to vote-

This.

most of the time the vote seems to be cast because of the party and not the issues

That is the value of parties.

 

[possum123]

Both parties are owned by Wall Street, the corporations and the 1%.

The difference is that the Dems are not wholly owned, not quite.

They are the same and owned by the same people.
Can you show where one party has done something the other party has not done?
They do the same things, just take turns griping about who is at fault.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Can you show where one party has done something the other party has not done?

The 2008 stimulus and the ACA would never have happened if McCain were POTUS. And, yes, both were things well worth doing.

 

[possum123]

The 2008 stimulus and the ACA would never have happened if McCain were POTUS.

What makes you think that is the truth?
Remember one thing. If McCain would have won that would mean we would be stuck with Palin for vice. That is until she got killed in a family fight.

 

[Sean Renaud]

People on this forum seem to be living in the past.
Some still think we have two political parties and there is a difference in republicans and democrats.
People you need to start living in the modern world.

We do, they are far more similar than is truly ideal but honestly that's how democracies function if you have a winner take all program.

what is wrong with showing a valid id to vote- you need to show one to buy a drink, drive a car.... why not show one to vote- I think one should have to show some grasp of issues and facts for their vote to count most of the time the vote seems to be cast because of the party and not the issues

That the only reason people are pushing for it is the hope of eliminating voters.

Have you ever heard of the 24th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States?

Yeah but that's no less stupid a reason than any other time someone brings up the Constitution.

They are the same and owned by the same people.
Can you show where one party has done something the other party has not done?
They do the same things, just take turns griping about who is at fault.

Of course I could, tons and tons of things but that's not actually the point your trying to make. on the national level there are lots of checks in place to keep them from getting too wacky but look at the states. You can look at the policies in place in Blue States vs Red States and see the differences in policies.

 

[KingOrfeo]

What makes you think that is the truth?

The fact that the GOP has visibly grown too RW-doctrinaire to do the right thing any more.

 

[possum123]

The fact that the GOP has visibly grown too RW-doctrinaire to do the right thing any more.

So you have the ability to know what a person would do?
You are just wishing that is what would have happened.
McCain could not even win the presidential election.
He is a looser.
One thing that shows his incompetence was his choice of vice.

 

[KingOrfeo]

So you have the ability to know what a person would do?

In politics, it's really not all that difficult.

 

[Wrong Element]

There's a theory that some parties have changed some election results by tampering with, or preprogramming, the machines. It's entirely possible. Of course, only a limited number of insiders, either in the elections office or in the company that provides the machines, could pull that off, so it's a problem more akin to old-fashioned ballot-box stuffing than to any alleged in-person voter fraud. There are ways to retrofit such machines to provide a verifiable paper trail.

I know people have claimed that, especially about Ohio 2004 (an election I participated in), but I am unconvinced it's ever happened. It would take a long stretch where the pre-election polls and the vote count were systematically off for me to buy that this could be taking place.

I agree with the main point of what you posted, which is that GOP efforts to steal elections prior to Election Day (by picking who can and can't vote) is the real scandal. This is their only means to long-term survival without making ideological changes that the far right won't tolerate.

 

[DooleyDarter]

what is wrong with showing a valid id to vote- you need to show one to buy a drink, drive a car.... why not show one to vote- I think one should have to show some grasp of issues and facts for their vote to count most of the time the vote seems to be cast because of the party and not the issues

It kinda puts a crimp on the democrats, "vote early, vote often" mantra

 

[DooleyDarter]

http://www.redstate.com/2014/09/29/democratic-ct-state-representative-busted-19-charges-voter-fraud/

for all of you who think voter fraud doesn't really happen.

 

[RobDownSouth]

http://www.redstate.com/2014/09/29/democratic-ct-state-representative-busted-19-charges-voter-fraud/

for all of you who think voter fraud doesn't really happen.

The documented rate of voter fraud is something along the lines of 1/100th of one percent.

As an aside, if your children had been mainstreamed in public school, would you have beaten them had they come home with grades less than 100%?

 

[Sean]

http://www.redstate.com/2014/09/29/democratic-ct-state-representative-busted-19-charges-voter-fraud/

for all of you who think voter fraud doesn't really happen.

Um, that has fuck all to do witht he voter ID issue.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Um, that has fuck all to do witht he voter ID issue.

Requiring voter ID will take care of the last little .000001% of voter fraud.

More importantly, it will place significant roadblocks to voting in the path of minorities, non-English speakers and single women, which will give Republicans a distinct advantage in close races.

"Win Win".