Obama: Voter ID Laws Do Not Stop 'our Folks' From Voting

[miles]

I'll be damned. He got something right for a change.
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During an interview with Al Sharpton on his "Keeping It Real," radio show President Barack Obama said voter ID laws do not stop African-Americans from voting which is in stark contraindication to the many cases being pursued by his Justice Department that argue regularly many of the laws are a veiled attempt to diminish African-American turnout.

Obama said, "Keep in mind most of these laws are not preventing the the overwelimgly majority of folks who don't vote from voting. Most people do have and ID. Most people do have a drivers license. Most people can get to the polls."
"But the bottom line is, if less then half of our folks vote, these laws aren't preventing the other half from not voting," he added.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That doesn't change what the obvious goal is.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

That doesn't change what the obvious goal is.

then stop being a fucking racist you fucking asshole

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'd have to be an idiot not to recognize the racist goals of this move. Just because Obama is and always been afraid to stand up for what's right doesn't mean the rest of us are.

 

[Que]

I'd have to be an idiot not to recognize the racist goals of this move. Just because Obama is and always been afraid to stand up for what's right doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Be glad that the people with this "racist goal," of which you speak. are idiots. Everywhere photo ID has been implemented- minority turnout has increased.

One of the things that is inherent in human nature is that we value things we have to put effort into. I suspect that voter drives that include having to do something active like go get an ID increases investment.

It isn't just Republicans and Democrats on the ticket. In your state and mine there are usually a dozen or more ballot initiatives where they are worded to sound like you are voting for the side that polled the highest, even if the effect of the actual language is the opposite.

I really don't care who votes if they actually understand the issues, and who they are voting for. Anything that makes it more likely that people that vote had a couple of minor hoops to jump through I am in favor of.

I have sometimes stepped into a voting boot only to discover I didn't do my due diligence on an issue or some minor office like dog-catcher. On things I am not certain about I skip. I suspect that a lot of people vote on which sign they remember the most vividly.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The "Block The Vote" initiative was never intended to actually prevent people from voting. That's illegal, and people go to jail for that (even Republicans)!

Instead, the "Block the Vote" initiative is designed solely to make it as difficult as possible for "undesirables" (minorities, non-English speakers, and single women) to vote, with the hope that they'll simply give up and say "Fuck it, it's not worth it".

Got divorced and didn't change your driver's license name back? No vote for you, slut!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Be glad that the people with this "racist goal," of which you speak. are idiots. Everywhere photo ID has been implemented- minority turnout has increased.

One of the things that is inherent in human nature is that we value things we have to put effort into. I suspect that voter drives that include having to do something active like go get an ID increases investment.

It isn't just Republicans and Democrats on the ticket. In your state and mine there are usually a dozen or more ballot initiatives where they are worded to sound like you are voting for the side that polled the highest, even if the effect of the actual language is the opposite.

I really don't care who votes if they actually understand the issues, and who they are voting for. Anything that makes it more likely that people that vote had a couple of minor hoops to jump through I am in favor of.

I have sometimes stepped into a voting boot only to discover I didn't do my due diligence on an issue or some minor office like dog-catcher. On things I am not certain about I skip. I suspect that a lot of people vote on which sign they remember the most vividly.

LEt's assume that's true though I want citation on that. Should I forgive what was attempted because you fucked up?

I'm not going to argue that ballots aren't often written, obviously intentionally so, in confusing ways. That however has nothing to do with Voter ID laws.

I just don't care about the dog catcher, I forget where I read it but that one of the criticisms about American democracy is we simply have too much of it. The Dog Catcher (and many other similarly non-political jobs) should simply be appointed by whoever is in charge of the appropriate Executive Branch. By giving people people an overwhelming number of choices you actually distract them from making meaningful choices on the things that DO matter.

Which again has little to do with Voter ID laws.

 

[unregistered]

 

[unregistered]

 

[Sean Renaud]

He seems to be contradicting the Democrat mantra at every turn. The other day he did so with his claim that his policies were on the ballot. It's almost as if he's trying to get back at some of the Democrats who have deserted him.

He's been doing that since day one. He's just barely left of center. Obama has never been particularly loyal to the Left which you notice when it suits you.

 

[Que]

Let me get this straight. It's anti women because women are going to the MVD to change their name on their voter registration to their post divorce name but it is too much trouble while at the MVD changing their voter registration to change their drivers license?

...or it the reverse? Women are going to the MVD to change their name on their drivers license to their post divorce name but it is too much trouble while at the MVD changing their drivers license to change their voter registration?

What about motor voter states where you check a box and your drivers license generates your voter registration?

Apparently only white men are able to complete those dizzingly complicated forms where it wants your name and address and birthdate?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Actually, it's to keep them from voting more than once.

That's a lie, but we expect that from you (see also: "Canadians flockin' to the USA for medical care")

#DisgraceToTheUSMC

 

[phrodeau]

Let's see if I have this straight. Those who want less government intrusion in their personal lives want to be required to give their personal information to an election official.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Let's see if I have this straight. Those who want less government intrusion in their personal lives want to be required to give their personal information to an election official.

and 9 inches of metal shoved into their hoo-has for designated medical procedure shamin'....

 

[Que]

Let's see if I have this straight. Those who want less government intrusion in their personal lives want to be required to give their personal information to an election official.

You already have to do that. You also have to have a drivers license to drive to the polling place. I simply want to know that everyone that is voting for more government intrusion into my life is an actual, living citizen and that he or she casts only one ballot in favor of more government intrusion in my life.

How likely do you think it is that the 200 ballots literally stuffed into the ballot box by a Democrat Party affiliated operative in Phoenix the other day, were all kosher?

 

[Sean Renaud]

You already have to do that. You also have to have a drivers license to drive to the polling place. I simply want to know that everyone that is voting for more government intrusion into my life is an actual, living citizen and that he or she casts only one ballot in favor of more government intrusion in my life.

How likely do you think it is that the 200 ballots literally stuffed into the ballot box by a Democrat Party affiliated operative in Phoenix the other day, were all kosher?

Those are two separate issues and wouldn't be stopped by your propsed fix. If a Democrat operative shoved 200 ballots int a ballot box he's going to jail, but more importantly having people come in to fill those out would be fantastically stupid when he can just fill out a bunch of ballots himself instead trusting 200 people not to rat on him.

 

[RobDownSouth]

How likely do you think it is that the 200 ballots literally stuffed into the ballot box by a Democrat Party affiliated operative in Phoenix the other day, were all kosher?

Completely kosher, completely legal. The guy turned in multiple sealed absentee ballots he'd collected, which is completely legal.

Go be outraged someplace else, you xenophobic bigot.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Those are two separate issues and wouldn't be stopped by your propsed fix. If a Democrat operative shoved 200 ballots int a ballot box he's going to jail, but more importantly having people come in to fill those out would be fantastically stupid when he can just fill out a bunch of ballots himself instead trusting 200 people not to rat on him.

The guy knew the law better than the right wing fever swamp did. It is completely legal to turn in as many SEALED absentee ballots as you want, a fact that Queerbait seems unable or unwilling to recognize.

 

[Que]

Those are two separate issues and wouldn't be stopped by your propsed fix. If a Democrat operative shoved 200 ballots int a ballot box he's going to jail, but more importantly having people come in to fill those out would be fantastically stupid when he can just fill out a bunch of ballots himself instead trusting 200 people not to rat on him.

Since no ID needs to be presented when you apply for an absentee ballot, all you have to do is fill out the forms send them in wait for the ballots in the mail, fill them out. then mail them back or take them down to drop them in the box.

Real people get their ballot and put a stamp on it and mail it in, or if its handy drop it by.

The logistics of going door to door to get people to fill out the absentee ballot form (vs just voter registration in general) is doable and a good idea. People get busy on election day, don't get around to voting.

The logistics of waiting for those to be mailed out, going back to all of those places sometime after all the ballots come in the mail having to wait while the person fills it out gathering up 200 of them (presumably in one day) and hand carrying them into the recorder makes zero sense.

It would be far cheaper to leave a stamp with each person.

I would be willing to bet those were nursing home ballots. Especially in Arizona. They also could be straight up fraud. Even if it is not officially sanctioned that he commit fraud to get the ballots filled out, if you pay people to "get out the vote" people take shortcuts. If he has access to a location that one could reasonably get 200 or more ballots in the mail room, you could simply make up as many names as you like. You don't care what names on the ballot. You show your get out the vote coordinator the stack of ballots, get your money and go turn them in.

Might some elderly people need some help with the process yet still be more than lucid enough to vote? Sure.

But it is suspicious.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Since no ID needs to be presented when you apply for an absentee ballot, all you have to do is fill out the forms send them in wait for the ballots in the mail, fill them out. then mail them back or take them down to drop them in the box.

Real people get their ballot and put a stamp on it and mail it in, or if its handy drop it by.

The logistics of going door to door to get people to fill out the absentee ballot form (vs just voter registration in general) is doable and a good idea. People get busy on election day, don't get around to voting.

The logistics of waiting for those to be mailed out, going back to all of those places sometime after all the ballots come in the mail having to wait while the person fills it out gathering up 200 of them (presumably in one day) and hand carrying them into the recorder makes zero sense.

It would be far cheaper to leave a stamp with each person.

I would be willing to bet those were nursing home ballots. Especially in Arizona. They also could be straight up fraud. Even if it is not officially sanctioned that he commit fraud to get the ballots filled out, if you pay people to "get out the vote" people take shortcuts. If he has access to a location that one could reasonably get 200 or more ballots in the mail room, you could simply make up as many names as you like. You don't care what names on the ballot. You show your get out the vote coordinator the stack of ballots, get your money and go turn them in.

Might some elderly people need some help with the process yet still be more than lucid enough to vote? Sure.

But it is suspicious.

Absentee ballots are only counted in close elections. In addition they are mailed out but if your argument is that if you're too busy to vote you shouldn't be allowed to that is still unrelated. I think a national holiday for voting like other nations do would go a long way towards solving that however.

No, one person collecting them doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. But the rules are the rules and it sounds like he is playing with them. That still has noething to do with Voter ID laws and frankly having someone collect them by hand could (with an extra layer of government worker one from each/every party if deemed necessary) make that more secure as you could take it directly from the hand of the person, possibly even stand near enough by that you know it's not one guy filling out the ballot for all five of his room mates. It seems unnecessary but we COULD do that if we deemed it an issue.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Absentee ballots are only counted in close elections.

Here in America every vote is counted. I've never heard of anything otherwise.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think so, I'll see if I can dig up where I read that though. I remember it being a big deal a few times because the news outlets were pissed they couldn't announce the outcome because they had to wait another x days for that crap to finish.

 

[unregistered]

 

[phrodeau]

Lying and misinformation is in your DNA:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/report-thousands-fled-canada-for-health-care-in-2011/

Oh, so it's really one percent instead of a fraction of one percent?

In 2011, approximately one percent of all Canadian patients were estimated to have received non-emergency care outside their home country.

 

[possum123]

Don't know about any where else but where I live voter id was voted in to stop all of the dead people and illegals from voting. Something needs to be done when there are many 120 year old people voting. When their are more votes in an area than there are people living, including children.
One man I know was surprised to see his mother voted right in front of him. He hadn't seen her since she died.