Would you surrender ownership for access?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Easily, let's get caught in a wave
Easily, we won't get caught in a cage
Shaolin shakin' for the sake of his soul, everything must go
Lookin' mighty tired of all the things that you own, everything must go

I cant tell you who to idolize
You think its almost over but its only on the rise

Are you tired of the struggle for possessions?
Do you see wifi as a Human Right?
Do you see yourself (or your children) living in a world where you will not be able to acquire the same level of affluence that your parents were able to earn and enjoy?
Does business and industry owe you free goods and services as part of the social contract which they implicitly sign by going into business since they didn't build that, "we" did?

...

Policymakers, strategists, and citizens alike need to recognize that a major new political debate is emerging.

Republicans have already run up against the first harsh realities of this change. Even if they cannot clearly articulate the insight, many of them intuit that it’s difficult even to think up an idea like political freedom in a culture unmoored from the habits of responsible maintenance that property ownership inculcates.

Without an ownership society, where citizens are prudent stewards of broadly distributed private property, freedom tends to become what it was in revolutionary France—an abstract ideal that can easily arouse destructive political feelings that know no bounds. That’s why the shift from right-to-own to right-to-access has the real potential to overturn centuries of cultural certainty about the foundations of liberty and its importance to human flourishing.

...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/11/how-young-people-are-destroying-liberty.html

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The triumph of access over ownership has changed the way we think about rights. Rather than a right to health care or abortion, people assert a right to access those things. Rather than contenting themselves with the right to a free press, journalists increasingly focus on securing access to the people they cover. Access has become a master commodity, an experience that can be granted or charged for but never owned.

That benefits elites—big time. And elites with ambitions in national politics are learning to electioneer accordingly.

We, for instance, have begun to think of the internet itself as a right—something without which life isn’t worth living—precisely because it confers such vast access without requiring any ownership. On cue, a new generation of Democrats is lining up to sell us on the idea that they’ll guarantee it.

Very interesting times, a traditional curse...

 

[Saint Peter]

Are you tired of the struggle for possessions?

Yes. I work hard so I do not have to sleep under a bridge. It is my choice to do so. It is my burden to grow tired of.

Do you see wifi as a Human Right?

No.

Do you see yourself (or your children) living in a world where you will not be able to acquire the same level of affluence that your parents were able to earn and enjoy?

Yes.

Does business and industry owe you free goods and services as part of the social contract which they implicitly sign by going into business since they didn't build that, "we" did?

No. I would prefer that the businesses pay fair taxes on the goods and services they sell to the public, not fuck us up the ass while hiding behind loopholes and blowjobs.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Define "fair" and the mechanism by which the business does not pass the tax back the consumer.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Laissez-faire.

 

[CandiCame]

I've mentioned before how much I fucking hate owning things and I don't see that changing. I try to own as little as possible, which seems to be the trend with my generation. No one wants a house or land they have to pay taxes and all the upkeep on, because that's a fucking money pit. No one wants a car that's going to pollute and break and has to have insurance and tags and taxes- because that's a fucking money pit. No one wants to buy physical copies of entertainment that we could just pirate because that's a fucking money pit. Owning things is terrible. And if you have to own things, you'll bitch about it forever. Because goddamn owning things sucks. Do you know what all I still have to do to this house that my landlord would be forced to do if I rented? Do you know how expensive my fucking car insurance is-but because we don't have decent public transportation I HAVE to pay it? People are FORCED into owning things in rural areas because you don't have any other choice. I wish to god they'd come up here like they're supposed to this week so I could get water from the commons instead of doing all this fucking well upkeep. I hate fucking owning my water source more than anything else I've ever owned. I'll keep the house and the car and I swear to the god of redundant property ownership that I will bitch considerably less about being forced to own things if you'll just get them to come out and hook up the water.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I've mentioned before how much I fucking hate owning things and I don't see that changing. I try to own as little as possible, which seems to be the trend with my generation. No one wants a house or land they have to pay taxes and all the upkeep on, because that's a fucking money pit. No one wants a car that's going to pollute and break and has to have insurance and tags and taxes- because that's a fucking money pit. No one wants to buy physical copies of entertainment that we could just pirate because that's a fucking money pit. Owning things is terrible. And if you have to own things, you'll bitch about it forever. Because goddamn owning things sucks. Do you know what all I still have to do to this house that my landlord would be forced to do if I rented? Do you know how expensive my fucking car insurance is-but because we don't have decent public transportation I HAVE to pay it? People are FORCED into owning things in rural areas because you don't have any other choice. I wish to god they'd come up here like they're supposed to this week so I could get water from the commons instead of doing all this fucking well upkeep. I hate fucking owning my water source more than anything else I've ever owned. I'll keep the house and the car and I swear to the god of redundant property ownership that I will bitch considerably less about being forced to own things if you'll just get them to come out and hook up the water.

You must be poor.

 

[CandiCame]

You must be poor.

And lazy. A terrible combination. One or the other is ok, but they suck together.

Edit: Like if I were poor and industrious, I could fix the house. Were I rich and lazy I could pay someone to fix the house. As it is, it's just annoying.

 

[Amberchgo]

Easily, let's get caught in a wave
Easily, we won't get caught in a cage
Shaolin shakin' for the sake of his soul, everything must go
Lookin' mighty tired of all the things that you own, everything must go

I cant tell you who to idolize
You think its almost over but its only on the rise

Are you tired of the struggle for possessions?
Do you see wifi as a Human Right?
Do you see yourself (or your children) living in a world where you will not be able to acquire the same level of affluence that your parents were able to earn and enjoy?
Does business and industry owe you free goods and services as part of the social contract which they implicitly sign by going into business since they didn't build that, "we" did?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/11/how-young-people-are-destroying-liberty.html

Didn't the Soviets already try communism?

 

[Sean]

Didn't the Soviets already try communism?

No, they didn't.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

And lazy. A terrible combination. One or the other is ok, but they suck together.

Edit: Like if I were poor and industrious, I could fix the house. Were I rich and lazy I could pay someone to fix the house. As it is, it's just annoying.

Smart and lazy is a recipe for madness.

 

[CandiCame]

Didn't the Soviets already try communism?

Yeah, and they fucked it up via government mishandling. Pulling from the commons works significantly better when you have regulation over that kinda thing like you do with socialism. My government, the commonwealth of Ky, made the same exact mistakes, learning absolutely nothing. So, you know, that's super annoying.

 

[CandiCame]

Smart and lazy is a recipe for madness.

I don't have to worry about that.

 

[Amberchgo]

No, they didn't.

LOL ..
You guys are cute!

 

[Randy_Random]

oh yeah. Keep talking to me like that and I'm sure I'm going to have to clean my keyboards.

 

[Liar]

Ownership of goods and land is pointless as an end in itself. I rent my home, I lease my car and purchase more services any given month than non consumables. My most valueable 'real estates', as it were, are intellectual properties.

 

[CandiCame]

Ownership of goods and land is pointless as an end in itself. I rent my home, I lease my car and purchase more services any given month than non consumables. My most valueable 'real estates', as it were, are intellectual properties.

This is the second time today I've been jealous of a squirrel.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The idea of ownership is a pile of shit anyhow...4est you don't own a fucking thing you lease it all from the US government. Deal with it.

 

[Liar]

This is the second time today I've been jealous of a squirrel.

What did the first one do?

 

[CandiCame]

What did the first one do?

Made a friend of mine trip with it's psychic powers.

 

[Amberchgo]

The idea of ownership is a pile of shit anyhow...4est you don't own a fucking thing you lease it all from the US government. Deal with it.

LMAO. You guys are on a roll today!

 

[BotanyBoy]

LMAO. You guys are on a roll today!

Quit paying taxes and see what happens dip shit....I assure you, you don't own a fucking thing and you lease it all from the USG

 

[Amberchgo]

Quit paying taxes and see what happens dip shit....I assure you, you don't own a fucking thing and you lease it all from the USG

I pay my taxes. It's how you continue to get your welfare money.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I pay my taxes.

And if you don't the USG will take EVERYTHING from you, because you don't really own it, you just lease it from the gov.

It's how you continue to get your welfare money.

I'm on welfare? LOL that's pretty funny.

Military retirement is close I suppose, but it's not REALLY considering it was under contract for services rendered....only in the vaguest sense that it's money coming from the gov.

So close...but no, care to point out where I'm receiving welfare? Because if I'm owed I'm not getting it and I want every fucking penny because I'm going to owe the USG a few hundred thousand bucks here in a couple months.

 

[CandiCame]

Quit paying taxes and see what happens dip shit....I assure you, you don't own a fucking thing and you lease it all from the USG

I don't think they understand what you're saying. You have to spell it out. You have to actually say the words, "If you stop paying property taxes the government will seize your property."