Beheading in Oklahoma

[Disgustipated]

Yes but we had the reformation, many Muslims even recognized the Western enlightenment, but not all, Islam is the only religion still butchering people in the name of God. It's time we ask our President to lead a national dialogue on what's wrong in Islam. But let's not hold our breath waiting for a national examination of his childhood religion.

So then you do that, dummy.

 

[KingOrfeo]

. . . his childhood religion.

Not even you believe that, nor even seriously pretend to.

 

[neci]

given the mental health crisis in oklahoma, texas and most of the red south, it's not surprising that more of the public is not being influenced by the internal counter strike. a new wave. a new moon. play to the mental health. support the vulnerable. house the homeless and feed the hungry. if this is war, there could be a long road ahead. prevention is key. and you can take that statement and go mcarthy on it's ass. war is nothing new. learn from the past, and plant victory gardens.

 

[neci]

given the mental health crisis in oklahoma, texas and most of the red south, it's not surprising that more of the public is not being influenced by the internal counter strike. a new wave. a new moon. play to the mental health. support the vulnerable. house the homeless and feed the hungry. if this is war, there could be a long road ahead. prevention is key. and you can take that statement and go mcarthy on its ass. war is nothing new. learn from the past, and plant victory gardens.

 

[neci]

i think that was a d/p/

 

[neci]

its. .

 

[neci]

the nazi always gets me in the end.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So we have a person with a criminal history, including a history of physical violence against others, who attacked two people, killing one of them, and the only thing that matters is that he recently converted to Islam and possibly used that as an excuse to be violent again.

But he's your's and you make excuses for him. He'll cost you plenty before it's all over, like John Brown did before the Civil War.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What the hell else are they going to call it, a stagecoach robbery?


This stuff happens on a weekly basis. The guy being Muslim is literally the only reason someone started a thread.

Okay, it's a new day.

Show me the beheading.

 

[yossi]

Yes but we had the reformation, many Muslims even recognized the Western enlightenment, but not all, Islam is the only religion still butchering people in the name of God. It's time we ask our President to lead a national dialogue on what's wrong in Islam. But let's not hold our breath waiting for a national examination of his childhood religion.

You think the reformation was the stopping point for Christians killing others for the glory of god?

 

[subdued_passion]

Yes but we had the reformation, many Muslims even recognized the Western enlightenment, but not all, Islam is the only religion still butchering people in the name of God. It's time we ask our President to lead a national dialogue on what's wrong in Islam. But let's not hold our breath waiting for a national examination of his childhood religion.

Yes, don't discuss actual threats to the nation, instead target one religion and discuss its cons while ignoring others thus further alienating a part of your population.

It's attitudes like these that create jihadists.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes, don't discuss actual threats to the nation, instead target one religion and discuss its cons while ignoring others thus further alienating a part of your population.

It's attitudes like these that create jihadists.

Just how does one successfully cull Islam out of any discussion of the actual threats to this nation?

It would be very much like discussing black lynchings of the past while being admonished to not dare mention the Klan because many, many, maybe even the preponderant number of them condemned the actual lynchings, but just wanted to maintain segregation, poll taxes and Jim Crow laws...

 

[subdued_passion]

Just how does one successfully cull Islam out of any discussion of the actual threats to this nation?

It would be very much like discussing black lynchings of the past while being admonished to not dare mention the Klan because many, many, maybe even the preponderant number of them condemned the actual lynchings, but just wanted to maintain segregation, poll taxes and Jim Crow laws...

To say that Islam is the problem is to automatically declare every muslim a enemy of the state.

Aah, I finally get the thinking involved here.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

To say that Islam is the problem is to automatically declare every muslim a enemy of the state.

Aah, I finally get the thinking involved here.

Islam is the enemy to every non-Islamic state.

When they emigrate for greater opportunity, they tend not to assimilate, but to demand that their hosts tolerate their religion, their law, their no-go zones and the demands that wherever they go physically, all of society must accommodate their special religious needs, especially in the West which is undergoing a crises of confidence under the crushing burdens of moral relativism, tolerance and diversity. We have created a cultural vacuum in the West and they are filling it almost by default.

The main 'moral' flaw to Islam is the total and complete linkage of church and state.

 

[miles]

Christianity is all about love too..So called 'Christians' hang, electrocute, shoot, lethally inject, and yes...behead too in ancient times. Remember France in the revolution?

This ain't ancient times, cupcake.

 

[subdued_passion]

Islam is the enemy to every non-Islamic state.

When they emigrate for greater opportunity, they tend not to assimilate, but to demand that their hosts tolerate their religion, their law, their no-go zones and the demands that wherever they go physically, all of society must accommodate their special religious needs, especially in the West which is undergoing a crises of confidence under the crushing burdens of moral relativism, tolerance and diversity. We have created a cultural vacuum in the West and they are filling it almost by default.

The main 'moral' flaw to Islam is the total and complete linkage of church and state.

So the assumption is that all muslims are immigrants?

No converts?

No second gen citizens?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Islam is the enemy to every non-Islamic state..

Dances With Bigotry.

"Teh only good muslim is a dead muslim!" - Abraham Lincoln, as quoted in the Glibertarian Bible

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So the assumption is that all muslims are immigrants?

No converts?

No second gen citizens?

No, not at all. The assumption is, that unlike almost all other major religions, they have not had their diasporic moment in which they realize that the Holy Land is no longer the center of their religion. This was the great moderator of all of the other religions. Until they are subject to a similar soul-searching, they have no reason to moderate or change and every reason to continue to radicalize.

And the more we apologize and the more we grovel, the more incentive we give to the alienated have-nots of our own weak apologetic cultures to convert to something strong, something bigger and something with a clear purpose and a self-confidence that is inspiring.

The bin Laden parable; strong horse verses weak horse.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

strong horse verses weak horse.

Which verse did the strong horse say to the weak one?

 

[subdued_passion]

No, not at all. The assumption is, that unlike almost all other major religions, they have not had their diasporic moment in which they realize that the Holy Land is no longer the center of their religion. This was the great moderator of all of the other religions. Until they are subject to a similar soul-searching, they have no reason to moderate or change and every reason to continue to radicalize.

And the more we apologize and the more we grovel, the more incentive we give to the alienated have-nots of our own weak apologetic cultures to convert to something strong, something bigger and something with a clear purpose and a self-confidence that is inspiring.

The bin Laden parable; strong horse verses weak horse.

I really wish I was smart enough or was well versed in history and world politics enough to understand what you just said (I mean that genuinely) because it sounds like an interesting point.

I'm not apologizing for anyone. My reasoning is quite simple- even if Islam is exactly the kind of evil and vengeful religion you say it is, it would be incorrect to assume that each and every muslim is a zealot and completely dedicated to the cause of their religion. To act, based on this assumption would lead to you alienating a significant portion of your citizenry that would've made for an ideal ally but who you are instead forcing to turn foe.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I really wish I was smart enough or was well versed in history and world politics enough to understand what you just said (I mean that genuinely) because it sounds like an interesting point.

I'm not apologizing for anyone. My reasoning is quite simple- even if Islam is exactly the kind of evil and vengeful religion you say it is, it would be incorrect to assume that each and every muslim is a zealot and completely dedicated to the cause of their religion. To act, based on this assumption would lead to you alienating a significant portion of your citizenry that would've made for an ideal ally but who you are instead forcing to turn foe.

You have to understand the Chief's bigoted ramblings within its context: He's an old man, frightened by change. Enemies must be identified and dealt with. Some muslims present a threat to him, therefore all must be eliminated.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

To say that Islam is the problem is to automatically declare every muslim a enemy of the state.

Aah, I finally get the thinking involved here.

I recommend some reading about the Christian/Muslim collision in Spain 1000 years ago. Spain initially embraced Muslim scholars and philosophers until the fanatics came murdering infidels. The scholars and philosophers looked the other way, as they do now.

My ancestor, Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, 'EL CID' cleansed Spain of Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ILqbD6XXkA

He's dead BTW.

 

[subdued_passion]

Maybe because I belong to a minority group in my country I don't like the idea that I could be judged/condemned by fellow citizens based on the actions of other members of my group. I think that is also why I don't instantly think of genocide as the cure to any of my problems.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Maybe because I belong to a minority group in my country I don't like the idea that I could be judged/condemned by fellow citizens based on the actions of other members of my group. I think that is also why I don't instantly think of genocide as the cure to any of my problems.

Ethnic cleansing works. Hitler did nothing every great culture hasn't done.

During our own Civil War, the South 95% Scottish, killed 300,000 English, Dutch, and German peoples of the North.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Maybe because I belong to a minority group in my country I don't like the idea that I could be judged/condemned by fellow citizens based on the actions of other members of my group. I think that is also why I don't instantly think of genocide as the cure to any of my problems.

It's the old police your neighbors bit......

If you don't stop your neighbor from doing this crazy shit, or turn him in to keep him from doing this shit then you are guilty as well.

It works to an extent but not really all that well.



Personally I think we need to have a sit down with all the Arab leaders and announce to them that we will be bombing the fucking piss out of them wholesale WWII style if they don't start fucking behaving IMMEDIATELY.

And then do it....ISIS in this town? EVERYONE DIES........how long before ISIS is so fucking unpopular they get ousted by all the "peaceful" pieces of shit that "disapprove" of their actions but house/feed/bone them while they do all these fucked up things. If not then fuck em'....sterlilize the middle east and then turn a keen eye to Indonesian fucks and inform them that they better watch their fuckin' shit and police their people into behaving or they will be dealt with like the last group of fucking savages that couldn't behave. Furthermore after the sterilization of most of the middle east we need to exploit their resources via slave labor provided by the survivors of the great bombing of Islam to pay for the bill rung up for having to come kick their ass's back to the fuckin' stone age.

If we can't do that then we need to sit the fuck down because we have already lost the armed conflict at that point......and we should pull our troops and supplies back and keep them out while they do it to themselves (my preferred option) and laugh as they enjoy their religion of peace L oh L. Let the fucking spineless euro trash deal with their lovely and peaceful Muslim friends!!
http://sweetsassyandabitsmartassy.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/london-attack.jpg

So much peace.....so much love and diversity.....just kum by ah these guys it's all they need!