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about_average said:
I for one certainly don't want cops to starting to "shoot to wound". We'll end up with a lot more shooting deaths.
Do you think the cop intentionally shot Brown in arm three times?
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Shooting to wound under these circumstances is cowboy stuff. Not realistic.
 
ROGER L. SIMON: The Real Villain Of Ferguson. “The Great Society. There, I’ve said it. The Great Society, which I voted for and supported from the bottom of my heart, is the villain behind Ferguson. Ferguson is the Great Society writ large because the Great Society convinced, and then reassured, black people that they were victims, taught them that being a victim and playing a victim was the way to go always and forever. And then it repeated the point ad infinitum from its debut in 1964 until now — a conveniently easy to compute fifty years — as it all became a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Great Society and similar policies screwed black people to the wall. It was racist to the core without knowing it. Nobody used the N-word. In fact, it was forbidden, unless you were Dr. Dre or somebody. But it did its job without the word and did it better for being in disguise.”
 
Bunny Slippers said:
Based on the autopsy

Based on multiple witnesses

What happened is now OBVIOUS

(the DO(in)J, and other will manipulate otherwise....how else to MAKE the BASE energized in the '14 elections and beyond)

Reporter says more than a dozen witnesses to Brown shooting back up police officer's version of events



A St. Louis Post Dispatch reporter says that Ferguson, Missouri, police confirm that more than a dozen witnesses to the shooting of teenager Michael Brown have backed up the account of the incident offered by the officer who killed the teenager.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Christine Byers tweeted Monday that police told her that an account of the shooting by a woman named "Josie" who called into a syndicated radio program last Friday matches the account given by Darren Wilson, the officer who shot Brown.



"Josie" claimed to be a friend of Wilson's and said that Wilson was protecting himself as Brown "bum-rushed" him, punching him and trying to get his weapon.

"Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him... And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something," the caller ("Josie") said. "The final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two or three feet in front of the officer."
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If true, this would correspond with what I speculated about earlier. But more than a dozen?
 
Bunny Slippers said:
ROGER L. SIMON: The Real Villain Of Ferguson. “The Great Society. There, I’ve said it. The Great Society, which I voted for and supported from the bottom of my heart, is the villain behind Ferguson. Ferguson is the Great Society writ large because the Great Society convinced, and then reassured, black people that they were victims, taught them that being a victim and playing a victim was the way to go always and forever. And then it repeated the point ad infinitum from its debut in 1964 until now — a conveniently easy to compute fifty years — as it all became a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Great Society and similar policies screwed black people to the wall. It was racist to the core without knowing it. Nobody used the N-word. In fact, it was forbidden, unless you were Dr. Dre or somebody. But it did its job without the word and did it better for being in disguise.”
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:cool:

There is only one remedy..., time.

Bastiat [paraphrase]
 
Bunny Slippers said:
ROGER L. SIMON: The Real Villain Of Ferguson. “The Great Society. There, I’ve said it. The Great Society, which I voted for and supported from the bottom of my heart, is the villain behind Ferguson. Ferguson is the Great Society writ large because the Great Society convinced, and then reassured, black people that they were victims, taught them that being a victim and playing a victim was the way to go always and forever. And then it repeated the point ad infinitum from its debut in 1964 until now — a conveniently easy to compute fifty years — as it all became a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Great Society and similar policies screwed black people to the wall. It was racist to the core without knowing it. Nobody used the N-word. In fact, it was forbidden, unless you were Dr. Dre or somebody. But it did its job without the word and did it better for being in disguise.”
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"A benevolent slave master is to be preferred to a cruel slave master, but it doesn't change the fact that you're still a slave." - Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
So I do not, and have never stated, that the witness was lying. She may be 100% convinced that she saw what she stated.
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I wasn't saying you had, but others in this thread have said she was.
In any case, my original post was that there is a scenario that would fit her seeing and reporting what actually, in fact, did happen.

The body cam idea just got me wondering how long before someone offers a gun cam. A small camera in the guide rod (or in the grip like Crimson Trace) with flash storage under the grip, activated when the gun is unholstered.
Something like that would leave no doubt what actually happened.
 
about_average said:
The witness in the OP could be right that Brown was shot from behind, if in fact one of the wounds in the arm was a glancing wound from an undetermined direction as someone suggested. She said he jerked, which probably would happen if shot in the arm.

There are two scenarios that would fit that and end up in Brown's death.
He's running away, the cop opens fire, grazes Brown on the arm with the second or third shot (has it been released how many shots were actually fired?), Brown stops and turns to face the cop.
First scenario, cop, in an adrenalin rush, keeps firing and one bullet enters the top of Brown's head as he's falling forward.

Second scenario, Brown decides to rush the cop (maybe the cop stopped firing and Brown thinks he won't actually kill him?) and the cop opens fire again, at least one bullet hitting Brown in the top of the head as he's leaned over running, or falling forward after the face shot.

His hands being up could even be explained by his reaction to the gun shots, hit in the arm, then in the face, he raises his hands reflexively to the face shot, not in surrender, but just to the pain, but witnesses think it's in surrender.

There are enough scenarios that could have happened that would support either "side" I'll be very surprised if we ever know for sure.

I bet, from this incident, sales of body cameras for cops are going to rise. Hell, if I were a cop I'd buy one with my own money if the department didn't provide them.
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Reasonable scenarios.
 
toubab said:
If true, this would correspond with what I speculated about earlier. But more than a dozen?
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Like I've been saying from day one, the press is focusing solely on the story and the witnesses that backed up that story and they ran with it while the truth was still putting on its boots.

Now, once again, we have a situation where, when the truth comes out, the minority community will reject it out of hand as a conspiracy theory because they were completely caught up in the emotion of the story that emerged on Day One: Innocent UTE shot in back, while surrendering, executed on his knees....

That is the National Liberal Press which thinks it is hilarious that FAUX NEWS dares to call itself "Fair and Balanced."

None of those clowns will ever apologize, say they were wrong, or highlight and interview any witnesses that counter the story line.
 
What the fuck?
Though Wilson has not spoken publicly about his side of the story, an alleged friend of the officer, identified only as Josie, shared what she claimed to be Wilson’s recollection of events. CNN later confirmed that the woman’s account matches Wilson’s account of the shooting, according to their law enforcement sources.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/

Are the CNN people complete fools? Of course it matches. :rolleyes:
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
What I find every bit as credible is the guy who was filming and picking up voices in the background talking about how the innocent UTE bull-rushed the cop...

;)

It's like there's a credible witness for every eventuality.

But not the cop! Oh hell to the no!

Cold-blooded Executioner.



:cool:
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The cop may be very credible, but we have no way of knowing whether he is or isn't, unfortunately.
 
toubab said:
The cop may be very credible, but we have no way of knowing whether he is or isn't, unfortunately.
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My sympathies are with law enforcement having trained and trained with them for over 30 years.

The sympathies of the National Liberal Press are with the "victims" of cops, who, imho, are usually victims of their own damned philosophy of victimhood.

This guy was in the community for four years and never once felt the need to shoot someone.
 
Dances With Falsehoods™ said:
My sympathies are with law enforcement having trained and trained with them for over 30 years.

The sympathies of the National Liberal Press are with the "victims" of cops, who, imho, are usually victims of their own damned philosophy of victimhood.

This guy was in the community for four years and never once felt the need to shoot someone.
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AJ the Cop Groupie.

No surprise there. :rolleyes:
 
"The second time he says, 'I'll shoot,' a second later the gun went off and he let go," Johnson said. "That's how we were able to run at the same time. The first car I see, I ducked behind for because I fear for my life. I'm scared. I don't know what's going on. I don't understand why this officer is shooting his weapon at us."

According to Johnson, the officer pursued Brown and fired another shot. which struck Brown in the back. He said Brown turned and faced the officer with his hands raised.

"My friend started to tell the officer that he was unarmed and that he could stop shooting (him)," Johnson said. "Before he could get his second sentence out, the officer fired several more shots into his head and chest area. He fell dramatically into the fatal position. I did not hear once he yell freeze, stop or halt. it was just horrible to watch."

Johnson said he could tell Brown was in pain after the shooting.

"It hurt him a lot," he said. "I could see it in his eyes. It was definitely like being shot like an animal.

"I definitely think (the officer) is guilty of murder."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uson-missouri-teen-shooting-witness/13992387/

It was all over the place.

Maybe you were taking a nap or something.

:shrug:
 
toubab said:
And probably useless, from a legal standpoint, unless the individual can be identified, located, and gives a formal statement to that effect.
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And what makes you doubt that that hasn't occurred already? I have no doubt that it was done within days if not hours.

Ishmael
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Like I've been saying from day one, the press is focusing solely on the story and the witnesses that backed up that story and they ran with it while the truth was still putting on its boots.

Now, once again, we have a situation where, when the truth comes out, the minority community will reject it out of hand as a conspiracy theory because they were completely caught up in the emotion of the story that emerged on Day One: Innocent UTE shot in back, while surrendering, executed on his knees....

That is the National Liberal Press which thinks it is hilarious that FAUX NEWS dares to call itself "Fair and Balanced."

None of those clowns will ever apologize, say they were wrong, or highlight and interview any witnesses that counter the story line.
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Most news people clearly want this to be a case where the cop is guilty of an unjustified killing. Nobody can deny that with a straight face.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
My sympathies are with law enforcement having trained and trained with them for over 30 years.

The sympathies of the National Liberal Press are with the "victims" of cops, who, imho, are usually victims of their own damned philosophy of victimhood.

This guy was in the community for four years and never once felt the need to shoot someone.
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I wouldn't want to be a cop in this country.
 
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