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Revere, MA joins Kansas

EF 1 ? EF 2 ?

300 year old trees ripped up by the roots
Cars are tossed in the air
Roof ripped off of the Revere ice skating rink and blown away
Tractor trailer flipped

It happened in an instant.

Broadway is a mess.

It is so bad in Revere, the town of Lynn asked for prayers for Revere. (Lynn got smacked, too. But, not as bad.)

BOSTON —A tornado touched down in Revere on Monday as strong winds and heavy rains flooded roads, flipped cars and downed trees.

http://www.wcvb.com/weather/another-round-of-downpours-thunderstorms-in-foreacast/27176640

Hurricaines are normal for Massachusetts. Western MA got hit by a destructive tornado before I was born.

The tornado in Springfield, MA was unusual.

We had World War II Everyone was blowing things up. It involved manufacturing bombs, weapons, and war vehicles. The world was burning. All that carbon and CO2 caught up with us.

2014 We have overpopulation, worldwide. Manufacturing is out of sight, and out of mind.

Third world problem? Air circulates worldwide, ocean waters circulate, worldwide.

Everyone has a car or a truck. The Amazon is burning. The western part of the USA is burning.

Bombing and shelling is happening all over the world. It never ends. China has its paws in Africa.

As if, Africa did not have enough trouble.
 
gotsnowgotslush said:
We had World War II Everyone was blowing things up. It involved manufacturing bombs, weapons, and war vehicles. The world was burning. All that carbon and CO2 caught up with us.
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Yeah... wow, you know I've noticed ever since spring began it's been getting a little warmer in my neighborhood too... unusually strange....
 
I left something out. After World War II, all the men and women who fought in the war came home. Manufacturing did not leave off. It accelerated. New homes for new families. (Baby boom) New jobs for all the new dads. All that take home pay spent on consumer goods made in the USA. Make things. Buy things. Cars were not only for rich people, anymore! There was a time, when L.A. did not have smog. Imagine that!
 
I would agree with you, because that is how it started. Straight line winds were a new thing, here, in the 1990s.

I posted a transcription -
A news man who had direct experience with tornadoes in other states, said the debris pattern was more in line with a tornado.

Telltale marker- freight train noise
 
gotsnowgotslush said:
I left something out. After World War II, all the men and women who fought in the war came home. Manufacturing did not leave off. It accelerated. New homes for new families. (Baby boom) New jobs for all the new dads. All that take home pay spent on consumer goods made in the USA. Make things. Buy things. Cars were not only for rich people, anymore! There was a time, when L.A. did not have smog. Imagine that!
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There is an interesting book called "Redesigning the American Dream" which gives very good evidence that much consumer market after WW2 was social engineer by the government so everyone would have to buy things.
 
hmmm-
I am guessing that a great many things were planned,
while American citizens had their backs turned.

also- Things had to be replaced. So much was sent on, to be used for the "war effort."
 
gotsnowgotslush said:
Revere, MA joins Kansas

EF 1 ? EF 2 ?

300 year old trees ripped up by the roots
Cars are tossed in the air
Roof ripped off of the Revere ice skating rink and blown away
Tractor trailer flipped

It happened in an instant.

Broadway is a mess.

It is so bad in Revere, the town of Lynn asked for prayers for Revere. (Lynn got smacked, too. But, not as bad.)

BOSTON —A tornado touched down in Revere on Monday as strong winds and heavy rains flooded roads, flipped cars and downed trees.

http://www.wcvb.com/weather/another-round-of-downpours-thunderstorms-in-foreacast/27176640

Hurricaines are normal for Massachusetts. Western MA got hit by a destructive tornado before I was born.

The tornado in Springfield, MA was unusual.

We had World War II Everyone was blowing things up. It involved manufacturing bombs, weapons, and war vehicles. The world was burning. All that carbon and CO2 caught up with us.

2014 We have overpopulation, worldwide. Manufacturing is out of sight, and out of mind.

Third world problem? Air circulates worldwide, ocean waters circulate, worldwide.

Everyone has a car or a truck. The Amazon is burning. The western part of the USA is burning.

Bombing and shelling is happening all over the world. It never ends. China has its paws in Africa.

As if, Africa did not have enough trouble.
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I find that hard to believe.
 
Thin, vertical spears of cloud, hanging in the sky.
That would be unusual, in my part of the sky.
I do not not know about anywhere, else.
 
adventrkupl said:
Yeah... wow, you know I've noticed ever since spring began it's been getting a little warmer in my neighborhood too... unusually strange....
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~~~

You must be really embarrassed at being so transparent...

there is no, repeat, no, man caused global warming, no matter how many times you brainwashed ninnies keep saying it over and over again. The earth has been slowly warming since the last ice age and will continue to do so, until the next ice age approaches, regardless of your wining... howver, the temperature for the past fifteen years has been stable....

The glaciers are not melting, the seas are no rising and Nobama is not King of America

and for the OP, everyone complains about the weather but no one ever does anything about it... every generation thinks their weather is odd and unusual, it ain't el Niño, la ninya, two major weather patters, alternate and expand and contract... ever ask yourself why only Left wing-nuts believe in the disaster hoax?

amicus
 
amicus said:
~~~

You must be really embarrassed at being so transparent...

there is no, repeat, no, man caused global warming, no matter how many times you brainwashed ninnies keep saying it over and over again. The earth has been slowly warming since the last ice age and will continue to do so, until the next ice age approaches, regardless of your wining... howver, the temperature for the past fifteen years has been stable....

The glaciers are not melting, the seas are no rising and Nobama is not King of America

and for the OP, everyone complains about the weather but no one ever does anything about it... every generation thinks their weather is odd and unusual, it ain't el Niño, la ninya, two major weather patters, alternate and expand and contract... ever ask yourself why only Left wing-nuts believe in the disaster hoax?

amicus
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When enough fresh water melts into the North Atlantic, it will disrupt the flow of warmer saltier water from the south and we will cool again until the current can reestablish itself.
 


The central climate fallacy is that the unknowns are known
An excerpt from a article by Christopher Monckton:




...The eventual warming as a result of the anthropogenic forcings of the past 30 years will be (1.11)(0.31)(1.87) = 0.64 Cº, of which 0.48 Cº, or three-quarters, has already occurred, leaving just 0.16 Cº warming committed but unrealized over the period. Yet the IPCC says there is about four times that amount of committed but unrealized warming in the pipeline.

Now, all that is set out above is mainstream climate science. It is possible that we caused some of the warming of the past 30 years. It is possible, though by no means certain, that we caused at least half of it.

Why, then, can we not be more precise in deriving a climate-sensitivity estimate from the temperature change and CO2 concentration change we have seen over the past 20 years?

The answer – though you will very seldom hear it from the Church of Thermageddon – is that there are far too many unknowns. The biggest outright lie in the IPCC’s 2013, 2007, and 2001 reports is the notion that we can determine with any confidence the fraction of global warming over recent decades that is attributable to us.

In 2001 the IPCC said it was 66% confident we had caused most of the warming since 1950; in 2001, 90% confident; in 2013, 95-99% confident. All of these confidence values are direct lies. For there is no dataset from whose values any such supposed confidence levels can be determined by any recognizable statistical process.

It is a measure of the contempt in which today’s scientific elite holds the rest of the population that the IPCC, as the elite’s soi-disant spokesman on climate change, could have made and persisted in and doubled down upon these particular lies. It knows it can get away with them, for scientists have abdicated, forfeiting their high priesthood to far-left politicians and profiteering environmental protection rackets.

We do not know enough about the climate to say in what direction, let alone by how much, the climate would be changing in the absence of any anthropogenic influence. We do not know the forcing from CO2 or any other greenhouse gas to a sufficient precision. The official value of the CO2 forcing was cut by a massive 15% in 2001.

We do not know the value of the Planck parameter to any great precision. We thought we did: then the actual mean surface temperature of the Moon was measured, and was found to be 40% adrift from the official value that had been determined on the basis of the lunar sensitivity parameter, and had been confidently published on official government websites.

We do not know what fraction of manmade warming is attributable to each of the greenhouse gases. We do not know the magnitude or even the sign of the forcing from our emissions of soot to the atmosphere.

We certainly do not know the values of the individual temperature feedbacks to anything like the narrow error bars falsely claimed by the IPCC. We do not even know the sign of the cloud feedback, and the IPCC has recently been forced to reduce the value of that feedback drastically.

Then there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.

We cannot predict the behavior of the oceans – indeed, we cannot even measure changes in their heat content with sufficient resolution to give a meaningful result.

We cannot predict el Niño and la Niña events. Look how many enviro-left news media predicted a record-busting event this year. They predicted it because they wanted it.

They needed it, desperately, to bring the Great Pause to an end and reduce the humiliation that the less dishonest among them are beginning to feel now that the laymen like me at whom they have viciously snapped and sneered for so long are – so far, at any rate – closer to the mark than they and their expensive but useless models.

For it would take only a very small reduction in each of the assumed values on the basis of which the IPCC makes its predictions to reach a climate sensitivity far less than the models’ currently-claimed central estimate of 3.2 Cº per CO2 doubling. And there are powerful theoretical reasons why some of those values must have been greatly overstated, though there is no space to consider them here.

My own best estimate, for what little it is worth, is that a doubling of CO2 concentration would warm the world by about 1 Cº, if that. The IPCC is heading – albeit far too slowly – towards the same answer. It has cut the CO2 forcing; it has accepted that the next-biggest anthropogenic forcing, from methane, has been vastly overestimated; it has slashed the feedback-sum and consequently the equilibrium system gain; it has all but halved its near-term predictions of global warming...​


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Economics and climate share one important truth, they are chaotic systems.

I am not an economist. I am an economic historian. The economist seeks to simplify the world into mathematical models - in Krugman's case models erected upon the intellectual foundations laid by John Maynard Keynes. But to the historian, who is trained to study the world "as it actually is", the economist's model, with its smooth curves on two axes, looks like an oversimplification. The historian's world is a complex system, full of non-linear relationships, feedback loops and tipping points. There is more chaos than simple causation. There is more uncertainty than calculable risk. For that reason, there is simply no way that anyone - even Paul Krugman - can consistently make accurate predictions about the future. There is, indeed, no such thing as the future, just plausible futures, to which we can only attach rough probabilities. This is a caveat I would like ideally to attach to all forward-looking conjectural statements that I make. It is the reason I do not expect always to be right. Indeed, I expect often to be wrong. Success is about having the judgment and luck to be right more often than you are wrong.
Niall Ferguson
 
Population of eight billion people by 2020.

The seven billion people we have, are all burning something.

We live, we cook food, we burn fuel.
How many people die, and must be cremated ?
Burning.

First world problem-
Our world is artificial chemicals.
Huge cities with a huge amount of pollution.
Chemical burn.

Second world problem-
Sudden growth-
A lack of experience and knowledge.
Mistakes that cannot be healed.
Poisoned.

Third world problem-
The first world takes advantage of poverty and ignorance.
The ancient crushed by modern.

Speeding into the future-
We stare into the rear view mirror.
No one has control of the brake pedal
 
gotsnowgotslush said:
Population of eight billion people by 2020.

The seven billion people we have, are all burning something.

We live, we cook food, we burn fuel.
How many people die, and must be cremated ?
Burning.

First world problem-
Our world is artificial chemicals.
Huge cities with a huge amount of pollution.
Chemical burn.

Second world problem-
Sudden growth-
A lack of experience and knowledge.
Mistakes that cannot be healed.
Poisoned.

Third world problem-
The first world takes advantage of poverty and ignorance.
The ancient crushed by modern.

Speeding into the future-
We stare into the rear view mirror.
No one has control of the brake pedal
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The above might as well have been written by Rev. Thos. Malthus (1776-1834)
​





Julian Simon Remembered: It’s A Wonderful Life
by Stephen Moore
​

I first met “doom-slayer” Julian L. Simon at the University of Illinois in the spring of 1980—at just the time when the environmental doomsday industry had reached the height of its influence and everyone knew the earth was headed to hell in a hand basket. We could see the signs right before our very eyes. We had just lived through a decade of gasoline lines, Arab oil embargoes, severe food shortages in the Third World, nuclear accidents, and raging global inflation. Almost daily the media were reporting some new imminent eco-catastrophe: nuclear winter, ozone depletion, acid rain, species extinction, and the death of the forests and oceans.

The Club of Rome had just released its primal scream, Limits to Growth, which reported that the earth was rapidly running out of everything. The most famous declinist of the era, biologist Paul Ehrlich, had appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson to fill Americans with fear of impending world famine and make gloomy prognostications, such as, “If I were a gambler, I would bet even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.”

The Carter administration published in 1980 its multiagency assessment of the earth’s future, titled Global 2000. Its famous doom-and-gloom forecast that “the world in 2000 will be more crowded, more polluted, less stable ecologically. . . . and the world’s people will be poorer in many ways than they are today” received headlines across the nation. Malthusianism was now the official position of the U.S. government.

It was all so damned depressing. And, thanks to iconoclast Julian Simon, we now know that it was all so wrong.

It was back in the midst of that aura of gloom that by chance I enrolled in Simon’s undergraduate economics course at the University of Illinois. After the first week of the course, I was convinced that his multitude of critics were right. He must be a madman. How could anyone believe the outlandish claims he was making? That population growth was not a problem; that natural resources were becoming more abundant; that the condition of the environment was improving. That the incomes of the world’s population were rising. Simon made all of those bold proclamations and more in his masterpiece The Ultimate Resource, published in 1980. I read the book over and over—three times, in fact—and I came to the humbling realization that everything I had been taught since the first grade about population and environmental issues had been dead wrong.

The weight of the facts that Simon brought to bear against the doomsayers was simply so overpoweringly compelling that I, like so many others, became a Julian Simon fanatic. Julian was the person who brought me to Washington in 1982 to work as his research assistant as he finished his next great book (coedited with the late futurist Herman Kahn of the Hudson Institute) titled The Resourceful Earth: A Response to Global 2000.

So for more than 15 years I was privileged to occupy a front-row seat from which I watched as Simon thoroughly and often single-handedly capsized the prevailing Malthusian orthodoxy. He routed nearly every prominent environmental scaremonger of our time: from the Club of Rome, to Paul Ehrlich, to Lester Brown, to Al Gore. (After reading Earth in the Balance, Julian was convinced that Gore was one of the most dangerous men and one of the shallowest thinkers in all of American politics.)

Simon’s dozens of books and his more than 200 academic articles always brought to bear a vast arsenal of compelling data on and analysis of how life on earth was getting better, not worse. Simon argued that we were not running out of food, water, oil, trees, clean air, or any other natural resource because throughout the course of human history the price of natural resources had been declining. Falling long-term prices are prima facie evidence of greater abundance, not increasing scarcity. He showed that, over time, the environment had been getting cleaner, not dirtier. He showed that the “population bomb” was a result of a massive global reduction in infant mortality rates and a stunning increase in life expectancy. “If we place value on human life,” Simon argued, “then those trends are to be celebrated, not lamented.”

Simon’s central premise was that people are the ultimate resource. “Human beings,” he wrote, “are not just more mouths to feed, but are productive and inventive minds that help find creative solutions to man’s problems, thus leaving us better off over the long run.” As Ben Wattenberg of the American Enterprise Institute explained in his brilliant tribute to Simon in the Wall Street Journal, “Simon’s central point was that natural resources are not finite in any serious way; they are created by the intellect of man, an always renewable resource.” Julian often wondered why most governmental economic and social statistics treat people as if they are liabilities not assets. “Every time a calf is born,” he observed, “the per capita GDP of a nation rises. Every time a human baby is born, the per capita GDP falls.” Go figure!

The two trends that Simon believed best captured the long-term improvement in the human condition over the past 200 years were the increase in life expectancy and the decline in infant mortality (see figures). Those trends, Simon maintained, were the ultimate sign of man’s victory over death.

Today, many of Julian Simon’s views on population and natural resources are so triumphant that they are almost mainstream. No one can rationally look at the evidence today and still claim, for example, that we are running out of food or energy. But those who did not know Julian or of his writings in the 1970s and early 1980s cannot fully appreciate how viciously he was attacked—from both the left and the right. Paul Ehrlich once snarled that Simon’s writings proved that “the one thing the earth will never run out of is imbeciles.” A famous professor at the University of Wisconsin wrote, “Julian Simon could be dismissed as a simpleminded nut case, if his ideas weren’t so dangerous.”

To this day I remain convinced that the endless ad hominem attacks were a result of the fact that—try as they would—Simon’s critics never once succeeded in puncturing holes in his data or his theories. What ultimately vindicated his theories was that the doomsayers’ predictions of global famine, $100 a barrel oil, nuclear winter, catastrophic depletion of the ozone layer, falling living standards, and so on were all discredited by events. For example, the year 2000 is almost upon us, and we can now see that the direction in which virtually every trend of human welfare has moved has been precisely the opposite of that predicted by Global 2000. By now Simon and Kahn’s contrarian conclusions in The Resourceful Earth look amazingly prescient.

The ultimate embarrassment for the Malthusians was when Paul Ehrlich bet Simon $1,000 in 1980 that five resources (of Ehrlich’s choosing) would be more expensive in 10 years. Ehrlich lost: 10 years later every one of the resources had declined in price by an average of 40 percent.

Julian Simon loved good news. And the good news of his life is that, today, the great bogeyman of our time, Malthusianism, has, like communism, been relegated to the dustbin of history with the only remaining believers to be found on the faculties of American universities. The tragedy is that it is the Paul Ehrlichs of the world who still write the textbooks that mislead our children with wrongheaded ideas. And it was Paul Ehrlich, not Julian Simon, who won the MacArthur Foundation’s “genius award.”

Among the many prominent converts to the Julian Simon world view on population and environmental issues were Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II. Despite howls of protest from the international population control lobby, in 1984 the Reagan administration adopted Simon’s position—that the world is not overpopulated and that people are resource creators, not resource destroyers—at the United Nations Population Conference in Mexico City. The Reaganites called it “supply-side demographics.” Meanwhile, in the late 1980s, Simon traveled by invitation to the Vatican to explain his theories on population growth. A year later Pope John Paul II’s encyclical letter urged nations to treat their people “as productive assets.”

Simon’s theory about the benefits of people also led him to write extensively about immigration. In 1989 he published The Economic Consequences of Immigration, which argued that immigrants make “substantial net economic contributions to the United States.” His research in the 1980s showed that, over their lifetimes, immigrants on balance pay thousands of dollars more in taxes than they use in government services, making them a good investment for native-born Americans. It was arguably the most influential book on U.S. immigration policy in 25 years. Sen. Spencer Abraham (R-Mich.), chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee, has credited Simon’s work with helping “keep wide open America’s gates to immigrants.”

We at the Cato Institute published three of Julian Simon’s books and dozens of his articles and studies. We were always drawn to his celebration of the individual. Simon believed that human progress depended not only on creative and ingenious minds but also on free institutions. He often marveled that the only place on earth where life expectancy actually fell in the 20th century was in the Soviet Union and other East European nations during the tyranny of communism. Many of his most ardent critics were government activists who believe that the only conceivable solution to impending eco-catastrophe is ever more stringent governmental edicts: coercive population stabilization policies, gas rationing, wage and price controls, mandatory recycling, and so on.

Julian had an ebullient spirit, but from time to time he would complain to me that his writings never received the full recognition they deserved from academics. That was probably true, but I always reminded him that his work had had a more profound impact on the policy debate in Washington than that of any random selection of 100 of his academic peers combined.

Two weeks before Julian died, I was driving through central Iowa and was surprised and delighted to find gasoline selling for 89 cents a gallon. I hadn’t seen gas prices that low since before the OPEC embargo in the early 1970s. I instantly thought of Julian. It was one of those little real-world events that confirm that he was right all along.

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- See more at:

http://www.masterresource.org/category/ehrlich-paul/
http://www.masterresource.org/category/simon-julian/
 
I am fucking angry because- it is 2014,
and we have all the science, technology and money
to take care of every pollution problem.

The science and technology is not being put to use
to the extent, that it should be. It is available.

Why ?

Greed, fear, and stupidity.

People sacrifice lifetimes toward the effort to keep what is most valuable to a human life.

And, it fucking gets wasted.

Grrrrrrr!
 
gotsnowgotslush said:
Population of eight billion people by 2020.

The seven billion people we have, are all burning something.

We live, we cook food, we burn fuel.
How many people die, and must be cremated ?
Burning.

First world problem-
Our world is artificial chemicals.
Huge cities with a huge amount of pollution.
Chemical burn.

Second world problem-
Sudden growth-
A lack of experience and knowledge.
Mistakes that cannot be healed.
Poisoned.

Third world problem-
The first world takes advantage of poverty and ignorance.
The ancient crushed by modern.

Speeding into the future-
We stare into the rear view mirror.
No one has control of the brake pedal
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Future Shock - Alvin Toffler

Basic fallacy: Holding technology constant.
 
gotsnowgotslush said:
I am fucking angry because- it is 2014,
and we have all the science, technology and money
to take care of every pollution problem.

The science and technology is not being put to use
to the extent, that it should be. It is available.

Why ?

Greed, fear, and stupidity.

People sacrifice lifetimes toward the effort to keep what is most valuable to a human life.

And, it fucking gets wasted.

Grrrrrrr!
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No, we do not. Any attempt to do so will so reduce the average standard of living that they will begin to burn what they can that is free for as long as they can.
 
Unusual weather conditions, say Boston weather reporters-

The weather systems have stopped cruising over New England and leaving the landscapes dry, only to dump all the rainwater into the ocean. Now, everyone is enjoying windy days and hail, just like Newton.

How big was your hail, today ?

"Tony and I noticed some possible rotation in a storm just offhsore from Little Compton, RI"

PILOT REPORTS WATERSPOUT 10 MILES NW OF MARTHAS
VINEYARD IN RI SOUND

http://blogs.wpri.com/2014/08/07/isolated-t-storms-with-hail-have-moved-in/
 
South Eastern MA shares the misery with Long Island and the lower South East.
This is when it is convenient, to have your car parked on an upper tier floor of the
Parking Garage.

Each raindrop could fill a tea cup, and drown a bird in flight.

A tornado warning is included with every thunderstorm, now.
No need to ask your great-grandparents what they are like.
You might see one with your own eyes, or catch a close call.

Newest version for New England- Getting double teamed.

Misery comes up from the coast, while misery approaches from Tornado Alley East.

Gone, are the days when you had to go out to sea, to be nearly drowned by the weather.
 
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