Crow: I'll eat it.

[loveupskirt]

No you aren't. Stop claiming that you are. It's okay that you're not I don't really bat an eye at it, a bunch of kids getting shot up happens on Tuesdays in the United States and if any of us gave a shit we wouldn't still be discussing this we'd be demanding action and any politician who didn't have an answer would be driven out of office over night.

Sorry that you feel qualified to speak as to how something affects Me, but you are mistaken. Maybe it really does bother me more than it does you? I can't pretend to know that like you can.

I think most people give a shit, but they disagree very strongly as to what action would work towards resolving it and what the cost to others would be, both in terms of money and sacrifice of rights. If the solution were truly simple, it would have been solved by now, and before you try and say it is simple, there are a tremendous amount of people who agree wholeheartedly with my position.

 

[Beco]

I've never, ever, had a doctor ask me if I have a meth lab in the basement.

Doesnt everyone??

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sorry that you feel qualified to speak as to how something affects Me, but you are mistaken. Maybe it really does bother me more than it does you? I can't pretend to know that like you can.

I think most people give a shit, but they disagree very strongly as to what action would work towards resolving it and what the cost to others would be, both in terms of money and sacrifice of rights. If the solution were truly simple, it would have been solved by now, and before you try and say it is simple, there are a tremendous amount of people who agree wholeheartedly with my position.

The solutions ARE simple. We can make it harder to get guns. The rest of the world has done it and most of them virtually never have gun massacres. Your claim of anything can be used as a weapon is true but beside the point. Knife nuts don't rack up big body counts almost ever because people can outrun knives.

Our mental health program is close to nothing in this country and our attitude of suck it up causes this shit too.

But we don't solve this problem because we don't care and you can claim it effects you but just listening to you claiming the solution isn't easy just stands back to my original stance of you not giving a shit. Which is fine.

 

[Que]

Sorry that you feel qualified to speak as to how something affects Me, but you are mistaken. Maybe it really does bother me more than it does you? I can't pretend to know that like you can.

I think most people give a shit, but they disagree very strongly as to what action would work towards resolving it and what the cost to others would be, both in terms of money and sacrifice of rights. If the solution were truly simple, it would have been solved by now, and before you try and say it is simple, there are a tremendous amount of people who agree wholeheartedly with my position.

This is one of the things that rankles me about many of those that hold opposing viewpoints to mine on several issues.

It is underhanded to frame the debate as they are the side that cares when the demonstrable results of their policies are at best not helpful, and at worst exacerbate the problem.

Saying the other side "doesn't care" because they don't agree is not intended to persuade, it is not intended to spark rational debate.

Add that to flat-out dishonest use of statistics and the debate is meaningless. A 26 year old is not a child much less a "toddler." A gang memeber of any age committing a heinous thrill-kill, exacting retribution or making a turf-statement is not a child. If caught they would be tried as an adult.

Yet all of those examples are lumped in to suggest that the majority, much less even a very small minority leave a loaded firearm where a toddler might get a hold of it. I have done child care for siblings and my own children for over 4 decades. You THINK you have every possible hazard cordoned off and still they nearly kill themselves any number of ways.

I have ZERO issues with a parent that considering that makes their own carefully considered decision to risk limiting their options to defend their family in favor of minimizing accidents further, but don't presume to tell me what I need when and where. I generally do not HAVE to expose my children to environments where they might be shot at, but not every parent has that option.

NO ONE making these condescending statements that parents that are gun owners are irresponsible says the same thing about bath-tubs, flush toilets and swimming pools. No one says that about parents that own cars that might back over a toddler, or be involved in an accident with baby on board. No one suggests that parents that use cleaning supplies and pesticides in and around the home is just asking for an accident.

All of the above are statistically FAR more likely to result in the tragic loss of a child. Airplane flights and lightening are far more likely to harm your toddler than an AR-15.

And this is just gun control... The same "what about the children." is used for EVERYTHING.

 

[loveupskirt]

The solutions ARE simple. We can make it harder to get guns. The rest of the world has done it and most of them virtually never have gun massacres. Your claim of anything can be used as a weapon is true but beside the point. Knife nuts don't rack up big body counts almost ever because people can outrun knives.

Our mental health program is close to nothing in this country and our attitude of suck it up causes this shit too.

But we don't solve this problem because we don't care and you can claim it effects you but just listening to you claiming the solution isn't easy just stands back to my original stance of you not giving a shit. Which is fine.

I suspect it's because you have been swayed and snookered by the rhetoric of most of the gun control leaders and their buzzwords like "assault rifle", "cop killer bullets", and "automatic weapons", but you seem to have a very simplified idea of the subject.

What exactly would you propose? "Make it harder to get guns" is pretty vague. What does that actually look like? What specific laws would you like to see passed? Would reenacting the 1994 assault rifle ban be helpful? I am curious if you are familiar with it and how effective you thought it was or might be if it were brought back.

Even if very restrictive gun laws were passed on a national level, there are millions of guns already out there. What about those?

On a side note, I have to wonder how many more guns have been produced and sold because of the worry about restrictive guns laws in the future. Many people don't want others to have guns, but they sure as hell want them for themselves and will rush to buy them if they think future laws might make it tougher to get in the future. Try buying .22 shells right now. Anywhere! The President has probably caused more gun sales since he's been elected than anyone else in history.

 

[Disgustipated]

This is one of the things that rankles me about many of those that hold opposing viewpoints to mine on several issues.

It is underhanded to frame the debate as they are the side that cares when the demonstrable results of their policies are at best not helpful, and at worst exacerbate the problem.

Saying the other side "doesn't care" because they don't agree is not intended to persuade, it is not intended to spark rational debate.

Add that to flat-out dishonest use of statistics and the debate is meaningless. A 26 year old is not a child much less a "toddler." A gang memeber of any age committing a heinous thrill-kill, exacting retribution or making a turf-statement is not a child. If caught they would be tried as an adult.

Yet all of those examples are lumped in to suggest that the majority, much less even a very small minority leave a loaded firearm where a toddler might get a hold of it. I have done child care for siblings and my own children for over 4 decades. You THINK you have every possible hazard cordoned off and still they nearly kill themselves any number of ways.

I have ZERO issues with a parent that considering that makes their own carefully considered decision to risk limiting their options to defend their family in favor of minimizing accidents further, but don't presume to tell me what I need when and where. I generally do not HAVE to expose my children to environments where they might be shot at, but not every parent has that option.

NO ONE making these condescending statements that parents that are gun owners are irresponsible says the same thing about bath-tubs, flush toilets and swimming pools. No one says that about parents that own cars that might back over a toddler, or be involved in an accident with baby on board. No one suggests that parents that use cleaning supplies and pesticides in and around the home is just asking for an accident.

All of the above are statistically FAR more likely to result in the tragic loss of a child. Airplane flights and lightening are far more likely to harm your toddler than an AR-15.

And this is just gun control... The same "what about the children." is used for EVERYTHING.

You're losing it.

 

[Que]

The solutions ARE simple. We can make it harder to get guns. The rest of the world has done it and most of them virtually never have gun massacres. Your claim of anything can be used as a weapon is true but beside the point. Knife nuts don't rack up big body counts almost ever because people can outrun knives.

Our mental health program is close to nothing in this country and our attitude of suck it up causes this shit too.

But we don't solve this problem because we don't care and you can claim it effects you but just listening to you claiming the solution isn't easy just stands back to my original stance of you not giving a shit. Which is fine.

Hmmm..

I hadn't realized that you were angling specifically towards mass shootings.

Even LESS statistically relevant. More people die when a plane falls out of the sky and planes fall out of the sky more often than mass shootings.

In addition to the oft cited fire in a theater, what about the guy that killed what four strong, aware first responders with a hammer after setting a fire for a distraction.

Bloombergs latest damned lies, not at all statistics make it look like mass shootings are every third day in American Schools. Not true. Not close to true. If it WERE true it would result in armed guards at every school.

He includes every incident that occured anywhere near a "gun-free" schoolzone whether on campus or off, whether involving a "child" (see above) or not, and even whether school was even in session or not. Schools are located in communities, violence occurs in commonalities; one has nothing to do with the other.

He ignores the common sense observation that when a shooting DOES occur in a gin free zone the perp went there with a gun confident that his targets will be un-armed.

Why not call them,, "shame on you zones." Don't you DARE shoot anyone here or we will castigate you with days of news coverage.

An absolute black-out on the killers name, his methods, exact number of victims, victims ages and bios would do FAR more to curtail the number of occurrences than making guns more expensive and pricing them out of the reach of those that need them the most.

 

[cjh]

I grew up with guns.

I'm still pretty good with a shotgun.

My grandfather taught me to hunt.

He has a passel full of rifles and shotguns. Dunno about pistols.

He wasn't a gun crazy. He'd have thought many of you and much of America is.

You can accommodate firearms in regular society without accommodating crazies.

 

[Skiddles2014]

You're losing it.

He lost what little he had months ago.

Rob made his little brain snap.

 

[zipman]

Apparently criticising Israel means you're a child rapist.

Lighten up Francis, it was a joke.

I didn't think you were one of those idiots who needed a smiley face to know that.

 

[about_average]

I seem to recall these questions asked were something the CDC wanted, but I may be mistaken.
I actually think doctors should ask a lot more questions than they do. I miss the doctor I had in Vermont who actually spent time with you asking how things were going for you and shit like that.

How I would feel about the ruling would really depend on the details of the questions and what was done with the information, and I haven't seen what that is yet.
If they had to ask you, then I don't think I like that, but jail time and fines for asking is overboard as it can be pretty subjective as to whether or not it's pertinent to a doctor/patient relationship.
In other words, one of those pesky grey areas.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

My state is really fucked up.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Guns, when shot, can have health consequences. For socialists as well as Ayn Randians.

and there should be consequences when one of the obama kind walk into my home or one of my family members: death.

but the obama kind love criminals ... as long as they vote for the regime while in 'prison'

 

[HighSchoolJock]

and there should be consequences when one of the obama kind walk into my home or one of my family members: death.

but the obama kind love criminals ... as long as they vote for the regime while in 'prison'

Dont let those obummer fascists into your home you dumb asshat


Scotty

 

[NeverEndingMe]

My state is really fucked up.

because people like you are in it. please, swim to Cuba

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hmmm..

I hadn't realized that you were angling specifically towards mass shootings.

Even LESS statistically relevant. More people die when a plane falls out of the sky and planes fall out of the sky more often than mass shootings.

In addition to the oft cited fire in a theater, what about the guy that killed what four strong, aware first responders with a hammer after setting a fire for a distraction.

Bloombergs latest damned lies, not at all statistics make it look like mass shootings are every third day in American Schools. Not true. Not close to true. If it WERE true it would result in armed guards at every school.

He includes every incident that occured anywhere near a "gun-free" schoolzone whether on campus or off, whether involving a "child" (see above) or not, and even whether school was even in session or not. Schools are located in communities, violence occurs in commonalities; one has nothing to do with the other.

He ignores the common sense observation that when a shooting DOES occur in a gin free zone the perp went there with a gun confident that his targets will be un-armed.

Why not call them,, "shame on you zones." Don't you DARE shoot anyone here or we will castigate you with days of news coverage.

An absolute black-out on the killers name, his methods, exact number of victims, victims ages and bios would do FAR more to curtail the number of occurrences than making guns more expensive and pricing them out of the reach of those that need them the most.

I'd love stats on planes out of the sky vs mass shootings. Seems highly unlikely. I could have used gun violence as a whole and the numbers would have worked more in my favor but I was kind.

Armed shootings do happen more than once a month in the US and we don't have armed guards because A) they wouldn't make a difference and people who've looked a the scenarios know and B) we don't care especially if it's just some spics and niggers dying.

A black out on killers names would do nothign and no rational adult thinks it would. Shit happens because of the tools we allow.

I assume you're totally in favor of Hamas and Iran having nukes? No wait. . .self defense is only something you deserve if. . .if what? The rest of us approve?

 

[Dream59]

It's funny, because every time we have some whackjob with a gun go on a spree here stateside, the outcry from gun-rights activists is always "This isn't about guns, it's about access to mental-health care." And yet with this story here, we see it's really not.

See, these are not people legitimately interested in solutions. They are people instead who would rather do nothing about a problem if the alternative is having to act responsibly. Yet another reason I have nothing but contempt for modern American conservatism. I long for the days of arguing with stuffy old Tories.

What has owning a gun to do with your mental health? Or physical health for that matter? I hate to say this, and I will probably be condemned to hell along with him, but I have to agree with Sean Renaud. If my Dr. asked me, I would tell him it was none of his fucking business. If I told him the truth, that I have enough weapons to outfit a SEAL team the Dr. would probably shit himself.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What has owning a gun to do with your mental health? Or physical health for that matter? I hate to say this, and I will probably be condemned to hell along with him, but I have to agree with Sean Renaud. If my Dr. asked me, I would tell him it was none of his fucking business. If I told him the truth, that I have enough weapons to outfit a SEAL team the Dr. would probably shit himself.

While the number of guns purchased for suicide answers your question the rest is perfect. Lie your ass off, what exactly is he going to do about it?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This is one of the things that rankles me about many of those that hold opposing viewpoints to mine on several issues.

It is underhanded to frame the debate as they are the side that cares when the demonstrable results of their policies are at best not helpful, and at worst exacerbate the problem.

Saying the other side "doesn't care" because they don't agree is not intended to persuade, it is not intended to spark rational debate.

Add that to flat-out dishonest use of statistics and the debate is meaningless. A 26 year old is not a child much less a "toddler." A gang memeber of any age committing a heinous thrill-kill, exacting retribution or making a turf-statement is not a child. If caught they would be tried as an adult.

Yet all of those examples are lumped in to suggest that the majority, much less even a very small minority leave a loaded firearm where a toddler might get a hold of it. I have done child care for siblings and my own children for over 4 decades. You THINK you have every possible hazard cordoned off and still they nearly kill themselves any number of ways.

I have ZERO issues with a parent that considering that makes their own carefully considered decision to risk limiting their options to defend their family in favor of minimizing accidents further, but don't presume to tell me what I need when and where. I generally do not HAVE to expose my children to environments where they might be shot at, but not every parent has that option.

NO ONE making these condescending statements that parents that are gun owners are irresponsible says the same thing about bath-tubs, flush toilets and swimming pools. No one says that about parents that own cars that might back over a toddler, or be involved in an accident with baby on board. No one suggests that parents that use cleaning supplies and pesticides in and around the home is just asking for an accident.

All of the above are statistically FAR more likely to result in the tragic loss of a child. Airplane flights and lightening are far more likely to harm your toddler than an AR-15.

And this is just gun control... The same "what about the children." is used for EVERYTHING.

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.
Frédéric Bastiat

 

[Ishmael]

It's funny, because every time we have some whackjob with a gun go on a spree here stateside, the outcry from gun-rights activists is always "This isn't about guns, it's about access to mental-health care." And yet with this story here, we see it's really not.

See, these are not people legitimately interested in solutions. They are people instead who would rather do nothing about a problem if the alternative is having to act responsibly. Yet another reason I have nothing but contempt for modern American conservatism. I long for the days of arguing with stuffy old Tories.

You used to be smarter than this.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You used to be smarter than this.

Ishmael

Sidd was never smart.



He got right mean at the end of his run...

 

[Ishmael]

Sidd was never smart.



He got right mean at the end of his run...

So much for that much vaunted 'higher education.'

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

A Liberal Arts education does seem to turn out an awful lot of very angry people...



... and when they're not angry, they are patronizingly snarky.

 

[Ishmael]

A Liberal Arts education does seem to turn out an awful lot of very angry people...



... and when they're not angry, they are patronizingly snarky.

I wonder if a conservative could ever make it through a LA college?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You see young conservatives interviewed and they tell you just how successful "Liberalism" is at the University level. Keep your thoughts to yourself, maintain a very low profile and learn to simply regurgitate that which your professors believe.

(Readies for a chorus of, I'm on campus every day and I never ever see or hear that going on. You're a fucking liar and you're just making stuff up. Why some of my best friends there are conservatives and they never sound like you. You're an angry old hateful white bigot terrified that you're about to become a minority and lose your "privilege.")