FAWC 5: Line, Please!

[SecondCircle]

I just wanna make an honest request.

Could everybody c'mon back for a bit? Door's open, c'mon back in. I've finished Oracle. Tonight I gotta send Slyc a long ass comment about it. Oracle was a really cool story.

Anybody wanna discuss it a little? Favorite parts, ups and downs, things people thought didn't work.... Hey! Where's Freya? C'mon back in here, I wanna here the audio commentary to Bullet. I know it's been "discussed", I want the afterword. And Doc! Doc, let's talk about that birthday party some more. Has anyone even touched on the trophy winner yet? You guys like it? What were your favorite parts? The ones you hated? All this is in some of the comments but c'mon, this is FAWC! The veil has been lifted! The votes are cast and this is the best part of the contest right? Let's bounce some ideas back and forth, ask questions, trade Tball trophies. Where the hell is Teach? What's this awful story and why was it so awful? (She's face-desking right about now )

This is backstage right? This is the spawning pool. FAWC headquarters. I mean what are we here for? The voting is over, but FAWC really isn't right? I missed out on 1 and 4, but I've been reading this stuff every other time. While reading Oracle, I've popped in periodically to hear what folks are saying about Inspiration/Desperation, how many shit themselves in mesmerized when Clara "used" that knife in Mesmerized. I've watched to see if anyone has talked to the Doc about his dialogue that a lot of people thought was giddy. I've peeked to see if people saw the holes in my story. Wondered if folks were giving Lee hard time about "the worst story ever."

Each time I've clicked on this afternoon, I've seen tha fucking green E debate.

Is that like, THAT meaningful? Is JBJ THAT successful at getting to someone? When you post about these things, and then later log off and carry on with your life, does a debate like this have any meaning at all past winning (or really no one wins) an argument?

What is meaningful to me (on this site) long after I've logged off, is reading an MSTarot comment that suggested use of dialogue to better convey backstory in my stories. (Correct by the way). It's LOATHING romance stuff, then noticing a link to PennLadys stories or hearing her mention "Rhythm and the Blue Line" and saying "fuck it I like hockey" then being floored by that story. Or discovering a new author that has a style and to flavor his talent and having new shit to read. (AMB). To post here, learn how others use dialogue tags, or how they got inspiration for a knight gunman story, or how an author "weaves" unrelated elements together, or how someone can cut down on description to tighten a story up or write more realistic dialogue, or techniques on how to make characters speak....

We have that, right here. Mother fuckin FAWC. I dunno how much anyone else enjoys picking other skilled authors brains, but I gotta fetish for it. I dunno how much others think they have to learn, I only speak for myself when I say I learn something new every time we FAWC and everytime we discuss stories.

THAT... is what is meaningful to me. THAT follows me long after I log out. Long after I've left Lit altogether.

So, come back in here. Pull up a chair. What's your poison? No? Just water? I love cheap whiskey myself, but I drink it with my pinky out so that people think it's scotch. Take a sip or shot and talk to me bout Oracle. Dont like sci fi? Fantasy? Well what'd you think of slycs? Those main characters and their story alone gotta count for a lot. What about Roses? The fuckin thing ain't perfect, so tell me bout it. Hankie? Did no one take a risk and read some intergender stuff? What was it like?

C'mon I'm buying. Let's see if we make it to Desperate Times before we're all leaning on each other on the curb doing the Tin Man Tilt.

It's that, or we could continue taking everything so seriously and keep frothing over an imaginary green t-ball trophy.

 

[sr71plt]

I've discussed the stories plenty. I'm still not reading any of them over four pages, even though I'm quite sure there are some good ones there. I didn't read yours because I don't devote time to reading a five pager. And as you asked earlier, and I answered early, if you want a crack at "Knife, Book, and Hankies," it probably better be before the morning.

And every time there's been a substantive discussion on this thread, I've contributed substantively to that discussion.

Beyond that, if you want to wear blinders, that's your choice.

 

[Blind_Justice]

I can understand SecondCircle. And besides, how often did this green E debate balloon up already? By now its not a question of "if", but "when". I'm sure I could make quite a buck by setting up a cosy betting scheme how long it takes JBJ and Pilot to dig that up once both are in one thread.

I'll have a root beer, thanks SC.

 

[sr71plt]

I can understand SecondCircle. And besides, how often did this green E debate balloon up already? By now its not a question of "if", but "when". I'm sure I could make quite a buck by setting up a cosy betting scheme how long it takes JBJ and Pilot to dig that up once both are in one thread.

I'll have a root beer, thanks SC.

And this is why it happens. When what JBJ and I do are treated equally. Dammit, look at what he posts and what I post. Try to find a backbone.

At least Swilly and PL have made their choice to support JBJ's shenanigans.

 

[sheablue]

I just wanna make an honest request.

Could everybody c'mon back for a bit? Door's open, c'mon back in. I've finished Oracle. Tonight I gotta send Slyc a long ass comment about it. Oracle was a really cool story.

Anybody wanna discuss it a little? Favorite parts, ups and downs, things people thought didn't work.... Hey! Where's Freya? C'mon back in here, I wanna here the audio commentary to Bullet. I know it's been "discussed", I want the afterword. And Doc! Doc, let's talk about that birthday party some more. Has anyone even touched on the trophy winner yet? You guys like it? What were your favorite parts? The ones you hated? All this is in some of the comments but c'mon, this is FAWC! The veil has been lifted! The votes are cast and this is the best part of the contest right? Let's bounce some ideas back and forth, ask questions, trade Tball trophies. Where the hell is Teach? What's this awful story and why was it so awful? (She's face-desking right about now )

This is backstage right? This is the spawning pool. FAWC headquarters. I mean what are we here for? The voting is over, but FAWC really isn't right? I missed out on 1 and 4, but I've been reading this stuff every other time. While reading Oracle, I've popped in periodically to hear what folks are saying about Inspiration/Desperation, how many shit themselves in mesmerized when Clara "used" that knife in Mesmerized. I've watched to see if anyone has talked to the Doc about his dialogue that a lot of people thought was giddy. I've peeked to see if people saw the holes in my story. Wondered if folks were giving Lee hard time about "the worst story ever."

Each time I've clicked on this afternoon, I've seen tha fucking green E debate.

Is that like, THAT meaningful? Is JBJ THAT successful at getting to someone? When you post about these things, and then later log off and carry on with your life, does a debate like this have any meaning at all past winning (or really no one wins) an argument?

What is meaningful to me (on this site) long after I've logged off, is reading an MSTarot comment that suggested use of dialogue to better convey backstory in my stories. (Correct by the way). It's LOATHING romance stuff, then noticing a link to PennLadys stories or hearing her mention "Rhythm and the Blue Line" and saying "fuck it I like hockey" then being floored by that story. Or discovering a new author that has a style and to flavor his talent and having new shit to read. (AMB). To post here, learn how others use dialogue tags, or how they got inspiration for a knight gunman story, or how an author "weaves" unrelated elements together, or how someone can cut down on description to tighten a story up or write more realistic dialogue, or techniques on how to make characters speak....

We have that, right here. Mother fuckin FAWC. I dunno how much anyone else enjoys picking other skilled authors brains, but I gotta fetish for it. I dunno how much others think they have to learn, I only speak for myself when I say I learn something new every time we FAWC and everytime we discuss stories.

THAT... is what is meaningful to me. THAT follows me long after I log out. Long after I've left Lit altogether.

So, come back in here. Pull up a chair. What's your poison? No? Just water? I love cheap whiskey myself, but I drink it with my pinky out so that people think it's scotch. Take a sip or shot and talk to me bout Oracle. Dont like sci fi? Fantasy? Well what'd you think of slycs? Those main characters and their story alone gotta count for a lot. What about Roses? The fuckin thing ain't perfect, so tell me bout it. Hankie? Did no one take a risk and read some intergender stuff? What was it like?

C'mon I'm buying. Let's see if we make it to Desperate Times before we're all leaning on each other on the curb doing the Tin Man Tilt.

It's that, or we could continue taking everything so seriously and keep frothing over an imaginary green t-ball trophy.

I love you for this, SecondCircle. Thank you. I was losing all hope.

There were a lot of stories I haven't gotten the chance to comment on, and a few I didn't get a chance (including yours.) I really want to. But this whole thread is making me crabby.

 

[sheablue]

I've discussed the stories plenty. I'm still not reading any of them over four pages, even though I'm quite sure there are some good ones there. I didn't read yours because I don't devote time to reading a five pager. And as you asked earlier, and I answered early, if you want a crack at "Knife, Book, and Hankies," it probably better be before the morning.

And every time there's been a substantive discussion on this thread, I've contributed substantively to that discussion.

Beyond that, if you want to wear blinders, that's your choice.

Blinders for what, Pilot? Why does it matter? And why is it in this thread? This never ending argument is poisoning my precious FAWC thread. Take it elsewhere, please.

And, I don't want to start a fight with you, but I don't think you've "discussed the stories plenty." You spent more words arguing with JBJ and Swilly and pl about nonsense than you have discussing the FAWC stories. You could have read those long ones in the time this has taken me to read.

 

[sr71plt]

Blinders for what, Pilot? Why does it matter? And why is it in this thread? This never ending argument is poisoning my precious FAWC thread. Take it elsewhere, please.

And, I don't want to start a fight with you, but I don't think you've "discussed the stories plenty." You spent more words arguing with JBJ and Swilly and pl about nonsense than you have discussing the FAWC stories. You could have read those long ones in the time this has taken me to read.

Ask JBJ, Swilly and PL about the fighting on the thread.

Sorry, I'm not going to feel the guilt for not reading a 20,000-word "short" story.

 

[sheablue]

Ask JBJ, Swilly and PL about the fighting on the thread.

Sorry, I'm not going to feel the guilt for not reading a 20,000-word "short" story.

I'm not asking you to feel guilty. And I'm not getting pulled into that discussion. I've read enough of it to last me a lifetime. Here and on other random threads. I don't care. No one cares.

I care about FAWC. That's what I want to write about and read about here.

I'm going to take SecondCircle up on his invitation. But only if he will buy me a drink. Make it a double, please.

 

[PennLady]

There has been a lot of discussion on the stories. I even started some; I'm not sure what I have left to say, but since I can always find an opinion I'm sure I could come up with something. I need a prompt, though... hmmm.

I didn't hate any of the stories. Some weren't my cup of tea, but I'm certainly none the worse for reading them, and it's good to read outside your box from time to time. I also can't say I found too many of them arousing, but then, that's not why I was reading, and it's not the authors' faults.

It's a little late for me so I think my drink will be decaf tea...

 

[sr71plt]

But this whole thread is making me crabby.

And you decided to be crabby at me rather than JBJ. Well, screw you.

 

[Aynmair]

I'm still reading. I'm the world's slowest reader, esp. when RL is interfering so aggressively with my playtime. And it's no fun coming back to a bitchslappin' fight.

Step back, leave it the fuck alone, people!

 

[Blind_Justice]

And you decided to be crabby at me rather than JBJ. Well, screw you.

My father always said "I don't give a fuck who of you started this riot, but I expect the both of you to shut the fuck up already!"

And then he would slam the door and leave us to ourself. Argument solved. Neither of us was right, Dad always won.

 

[sheablue]

And you decided to be crabby at me rather than JBJ. Well, screw you.

Great. Thanks. That's very mature.

I was crabby at you because you are a participator in FAWC. He is not. You're the one who can't ignore him when he pokes his irrelevant opinion in here. Most of us can.

And you seem to have a reasonable bone left in your body. He does not. I thought you might listen to me. He will not.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

 

[SecondCircle]

And you decided to be crabby at me rather than JBJ. Well, screw you.

Pilot. I don't want to argue with you at all. My post was not directed at you, specifically. I was addressing all. It's an invitation to CONTINUE story discussions. I feel like we were at the bar of discussion, a few did very well discuss a little bit about the stories. I went to bathroom and most people were getting in the cab, and all that was left was some drunken fight about who can one up each other in a biggest asshole contest.

So I went to the street, stopped the damn cab and said "whoa whoa, it's seven thirty and you guys are leaving? No, no, no, lets talk some MORE about Oracle and Expires of the stars. Fuck the green E."

I uh... didn't expect that so many would be so square. But here's the root beer. And Shea you're getting Jack, Jim, and George, and that's that. Decaffeinated you say, Mrs. Penn? Sure.

No one is blaming anyone. I don't wanna argue or talk about who's wearing blinders or who's childish or who's the real asshole.

Shea, mesmerized? I'll ask. (Pours double shot.) Why the name Shawn again? And whatever happened to her (Like TX pointed out). Are you planning anything for the future?

 

[sr71plt]

Great. Thanks. That's very mature.

I was crabby at you because you are a participator in FAWC. He is not. You're the one who can't ignore him when he pokes his irrelevant opinion in here. Most of us can.

And you seem to have a reasonable bone left in your body. He does not. I thought you might listen to me. He will not.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Showing maturity here isn't given any credit. I'm disgusted with the lot of you.

 

[sheablue]

Showing maturity here isn't given any credit. I'm disgusted with the lot of you.

I give it credit. I give it a lot of credit. The only other person who has ever told me to fuck myself on this entire Lit board was JBJ. So you're in good company. I'm a little disgusted with you, to be honest. I would never say that to someone I've never met face to face.

 

[PennLady]

Shea, mesmerized? I'll ask. (Pours double shot.) Why the name Shawn again? And whatever happened to her (Like TX pointed out). Are you planning anything for the future?

"Shawn" as a female name doesn't bother me, partly because I know it's the female spelling, and also because I actually knew someone with that name. I think it's just that it's not so common for a woman, and most of us are used to seeing "Sean" for a guy.

I figure Shawn was offed next, after Annalise, because Black John was... Black John.

 

[SecondCircle]

Showing maturity here isn't given any credit. I'm disgusted with the lot of you.

Here's maturity.

<pulls up stool>

Forget whatever it was in the argument. Tell me about Hankie as I may not get to read it (and I'm actually a fan of bisex and trans <gasp!>). What was the premise? What did you intend for it?

More importantly, what's your poison?

 

[AMoveableBeast]

Good show, SecondC. I was just thinking the same thing.

I would love to discuss some stories with you.

 

[sr71plt]

"Shawn" as a female name doesn't bother me, partly because I know it's the female spelling, and also because I actually knew someone with that name. I think it's just that it's not so common for a woman, and most of us are used to seeing "Sean" for a guy.

I figure Shawn was offed next, after Annalise, because Black John was... Black John.

Well, no, "Shawn" isn't the female spelling. I googled it and every reference to that spelling came up male--none came up female. So, at best, it's an ambiguous spelling.

Think it's something to be careful about in making choices. You'd use on like that if the ambiguity was needed in the story. You'd try to avoid it otherwise, though.

 

[SecondCircle]

"Shawn" as a female name doesn't bother me, partly because I know it's the female spelling, and also because I actually knew someone with that name. I think it's just that it's not so common for a woman, and most of us are used to seeing "Sean" for a guy.

I figure Shawn was offed next, after Annalise, because Black John was... Black John.

Shawn only threw me at first. But once I settled in and got to know her it was easy. Shea, you did good with her I think. I know chicks like her. How bout the winking eyeball, how did that come about? Just curious it didn't bother me much.

 

[sr71plt]

Here's maturity.

<pulls up stool>

Forget whatever it was in the argument. Tell me about Hankie as I may not get to read it (and I'm actually a fan of bisex and trans <gasp!>). What was the premise? What did you intend for it?

More importantly, what's your poison?

I fully discussed the story up the line on this thread, SC. You just need to scroll up--posting #1088 on thread page 44. Is that helpful enough?

I'm not an expert in poisons, so I'll rarely use them in a story.

 

[sheablue]

Pilot. I don't want to argue with you at all. My post was not directed at you, specifically. I was addressing all. It's an invitation to CONTINUE story discussions. I feel like we were at the bar of discussion, a few did very well discuss a little bit about the stories. I went to bathroom and most people were getting in the cab, and all that was left was some drunken fight about who can one up each other in a biggest asshole contest.

So I went to the street, stopped the damn cab and said "whoa whoa, it's seven thirty and you guys are leaving? No, no, no, lets talk some MORE about Oracle and Expires of the stars. Fuck the green E."

I uh... didn't expect that so many would be so square. But here's the root beer. And Shea you're getting Jack, Jim, and George, and that's that. Decaffeinated you say, Mrs. Penn? Sure.

No one is blaming anyone. I don't wanna argue or talk about who's wearing blinders or who's childish or who's the real asshole.

Shea, mesmerized? I'll ask. (Pours double shot.) Why the name Shawn again? And whatever happened to her (Like TX pointed out). Are you planning anything for the future?

Keep it comin', SC.

You know, I first had the name Shawna, because it sounded like a free-spirited kind of name. And then part-way in I remembered a girl named Shawna from high school named Shawna and I didn't like her, and she was nothing like the character. I couldn't get it out of my head. So I changed it to Shawn, because I liked that it was an androgynous name. But I can see how it would trip people up. so I will probably think of a different name.

What happened to her is that I ran out of time to tell the rest of the story. By the real end I think something will have happened to her. Maybe Clara scares her and she leaves. Or she finds out Clara has stolen her artifacts and leaves. Or she's dead.

I really intended to have everything happen gradually, over about a week's time. That's how I'll change it.

Here's a point of discussion. People seem to have responded well to the sex scene with the knife. I like it, as well. I originally thought I would have her feel that the sooner. Like, after the seance, but still in the room with Shawn and Annalise, she touches the knife and almost immediately has an orgasm, and has to hide it from the other women in the room. But I didn't want to take away from that scene of masturbation. Do you think it would?

Let's talk about Oracle a moment. I loved the way Slyc wrote his story. It was like a cross between The Gunslinger and ... something else Sci-Fi that I can't remember right now. I loved the description of the Blacknails and wanted to hear more about the other monsters ... gapemaws? The only thing I didn't understand was why he had to kill himself at the end. He wouldn't even give the book to the True Oracle because he knew she was a fake. So why did he have to kill himself? And how could Adastriana forget the damn hankie!

 

[patientlee]

And this is why it happens. When what JBJ and I do are treated equally. Dammit, look at what he posts and what I post. Try to find a backbone.

At least Swilly and PL have made their choice to support JBJ's shenanigans.

I wouldn't give JBJ a band-aid if he was bleeding, but he irritates me less than you do. Yeah. I "supported his shenanigans" when I said I read the story. I was fighting with my hormonal daughter today, and I chose to stir the pot rather than send her to join the circus. (To the readers of this thread, I apologize. I'd rather get my frustrations out on these two clowns than on my daughter, who will probably get her period for the first time by morning.)

 

[sheablue]

Shawn only threw me at first. But once I settled in and got to know her it was easy. Shea, you did good with her I think. I know chicks like her. How bout the winking eyeball, how did that come about? Just curious it didn't bother me much.

Thanks, I like where both of the characters were going. Annalise was meant to be more mysterious and hard to read.

Ah, the eyeball. First I had them described as realistic, but then I changed them to looking so fake, like they would in a storefront fortune teller's room. But I still wanted it to wink. Would it feel creepier if the eyeballs looked realistic and Clara just assumes they must be fake? It is true than an eyeball that looks like a marble or a rubber ball really can't wink.