Police Now “Armed For War” Against Returning Veterans

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Police Now “Armed For War” Against Returning Veterans



In an interview with Fox 59, a Morgan County, Indiana Police Sergeant admits that the increasing militarization of domestic police departments is partly to deal with returning veterans who are now seen as a homegrown terror threat.



In a chilling story entitled Armed for War: Pentagon surplus gives local police an edge, we learn how a Mine Resistant Vehicle (MRAP) which was once used during the occupation of Afghanistan will now be “patrolling the streets of central Indiana,” according to the report.

Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department states, “When I first started we really didn’t have the violence that we see today,” adding, “The weaponry is totally different now that it was in the beginning of my career, plus, you have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build IEDs and to defeat law enforcement techniques.”

Downing goes on to relate how citizens approach the vehicle when it stops at gas stations to express their concerns that the militarization of police is about arming cops with the tools required for mass gun confiscation programs.

“We were actually approached when we’d stop to get fuel by people wanting to know why we needed this…what were we going to use it for? ‘Are you coming to take our guns away?’” said Downing. “To come and take away their firearms…that absolutely is not the reason why we go this vehicle. We got this vehicle because of the need and because of increased violence that we have been facing over the last few years….I’ll be the last person to come and take anybody’s guns.”

Indiana seems to be a major trial balloon for the militarization of law enforcement given that the Indiana National Guard has also just purchased two military UH-72 Lakota helicopters which will also be used by local police and the DHS for “homeland security missions”. Downing’s claim that armored tanks are necessary to deal with violent crime doesn’t jive with actual statistics which suggest that violent crime is in fact on the decrease.

Downing’s admission that the armored vehicles are partly about combating the threat posed by returning veterans correlates with similar rhetoric at the federal level.

An April 2009 DHS intelligence assessment listed returning vets as likely domestic terrorists. Just a month later, the New York Times reported on how Boy Scout Explorers were being trained by the DHS to kill “disgruntled Iraq war veterans” in terrorist drills.

The FBI has also repeatedly characterized returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan as a major domestic terrorist threat.

It seems to have been completely forgotten by police departments, the media and Americans in general that having military-style tanks patrol the streets is symbolic of a collapsing banana republic or an authoritarian Communist state.
 
Cops have had access to military surplus for years. True, the were some poor choices in the wording of how they see VETs as a threat.
 
I've been in the military and had some limited 'combat' experiences, and worked with cops and had some limited experiences with bad guys, and the military wins in terms of training and discipline. Cops are, generally speaking, scared shitless of their politician brass, and paralyzed with uncertainty.
 
Cops have had access to military surplus for years. True, the were some poor choices in the wording of how they see VETs as a threat.

No, its NOT a poor choice of words

Indiana Sheriff Claims Soldiers Back From Afghanistan Have Created A New Kind Of Criminal


Indiana MRAP

Trying to justify the use of MRAP’s by law enforcement.

Via Daily Mail


As American military forces return from Iraq and Afghanistan, one Indiana police station is benefiting from a mine-resistant vehicles once used to tour the war zone to combat a new breed of criminal with military training.

‘When I first started we really didn’t have the violence that we see today,’ Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department told Fox 59. ‘The weaponry is totally different now that it was in the beginning of my career, plus, you have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build IEDs and to defeat law enforcement techniques.’

Roughly $4.3 billion worth of military property has been handed over to local and state agencies since 1990, according to the Law Enforcement Support Office.

It saves a substantial amount of money,’ Steve Harless, deputy commissioner of the Indiana Department of Administration, told reporters. ‘Last year alone we saved approximately $14 million and this year we’re on pace to save a little over $13 million.’

That provides 326 Indiana sheriffs and police chiefs with millions of dollars in gear they couldn’t afford otherwise.

Downing explained the benefits sitting in driver’s seat of a $650,000 Mine Resistant Vehicle that formally guarded soldiers under fire in Afghanistan.

Morgan County SWAT acquired the vehicle for little more than the cost of gas.

‘We were actually approached when we’d stop to get fuel by people wanting to know why we needed this…what were we going to use it for? ‘Are you coming to take our guns away?’’ Downing said.

‘To come and take away their firearms…that absolutely is not the reason why we go this vehicle. We got this vehicle because of the need and because of increased violence that we have been facing over the last few years. I’ll be the last person to come and take anybody’s guns.’
 
Most of our cops are vets.

Is that bad?
 
assuming that's tru, and it isn't

how the fuck does it respond to OP?

You live in my town!?!?

I'm just wondering about the extent of outrage that we need to have about militarized police forces.

These guys don't just have the gear, they know how to use it.

Is that bad?
 
I would have sworn Dick Armey introduced the Homeland Security Act and that Bush signed it into law.
 
The police officers on our streets and in our neighborhoods are not soldiers fighting a war. Yet many have been armed with tactics and weapons designed for battle overseas. The result: people – disproportionately those in poor communities and communities of color – have become targets for violent SWAT raids, often because the police suspect they have small amounts of drugs in their homes.

This is a problem.

Billions of dollars' worth of military weapons and equipment is available to local police departments through grant programs administered by federal agencies such as the Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security. Until now, this has gone on with very little public oversight. Too little has been known about how much military equipment law enforcement agencies have, why they have it, and how they are using it.

It's time to understand the true scope of the militarization of policing in America and the impact it is having in our neighborhoods. In 2013, ACLU affiliates in 25 states filed over 260 public records requests with law enforcement agencies to document the impact of excessively militarized policing on people, families, and communities.

Stay tuned as this project develops.

Check out this map of the law enforcement agencies with which ACLU Affiliates have filed public records requests.

Gotta love those conservatives at the ACLU.
 
They love the idea of a police state as long as they're running it.

Who are "they"? We're talking about Morgan County, Indiana after all. Ever been there? I have, many times, and it's not exactly a hotbed of liberalism. It's rural with a total population of less than 70,000 (that's the whole county). Virtually every elected official in the county is a Republican and in about half the races in the 2012 election, there wasn't even a Democrat on the ticket. Mitt beat Obama in the county by nearly 40 points (~70% to ~30%).

So "they" would have to be Republicans. I agree with you that this is a bad idea, but the leaders of your new police state are not Democrats and liberals. They're good solid conservative Republicans like yourself. You should be pleased.
 
Who are "they"? We're talking about Morgan County, Indiana after all. Ever been there? I have, many times, and it's not exactly a hotbed of liberalism. It's rural with a total population of less than 70,000 (that's the whole county). Virtually every elected official in the county is a Republican and in about half the races in the 2012 election, there wasn't even a Democrat on the ticket. Mitt beat Obama in the county by nearly 40 points (~70% to ~30%).

So "they" would have to be Republicans. I agree with you that this is a bad idea,...

What a tremendous argument...

...and then you just had to partisanly puss out:

...but the leaders of your new police state are not Democrats and liberals.

Who commands the NSA, sigh? Who authorizes drone attacks that murder hundreds of completely innocent people? Whose Pentagon greases the rails so that all this war gear finds its way to civilian police forces? Whose Homeland Security Department is, in fact, leading the charge to arm to the teeth those same civilian police forces, sigh?

The USSA is an ever-increasing police state today and some Republicans and some Democrats, and some conservatives and some liberals, are all for making it more of one.

It's always a delight reading those who pounce on vette for being the Party hack he is...

...show that they can match him every step of the partisan hack way.
 
Who are "they"? We're talking about Morgan County, Indiana after all. Ever been there? I have, many times, and it's not exactly a hotbed of liberalism. It's rural with a total population of less than 70,000 (that's the whole county). Virtually every elected official in the county is a Republican and in about half the races in the 2012 election, there wasn't even a Democrat on the ticket. Mitt beat Obama in the county by nearly 40 points (~70% to ~30%).

So "they" would have to be Republicans. I agree with you that this is a bad idea, but the leaders of your new police state are not Democrats and liberals. They're good solid conservative Republicans like yourself. You should be pleased.

Good 'ol boys?
 
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