No one really wants to pay higher taxes

[girlsmiley]

Who can afford to drop a $500 bill with every step, because I want to follow them around for a while...

The 1%. Get with the program.

You're an idiot.

 

[girlsmiley]

Not even fucking listening. That's the thing.

 

[miles]

The 1%. Get with the program.

You're an idiot.

You don't know what the program is.

Liberal moron.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The 1%. Get with the program.

You're an idiot.

You're a great conversationist and deep thinker.

So you would just go take, what, half their money? They don't "need" it, right?

There is no possible good that they can do with it, is that the assumption here?

 

[Adre]

You can afford it. You brag about how much wealth you have, and as such, you are making the point of the thread. As soon as you got out of your "tax obligation," you celebrated that you were able, by voting for Democrats, to push your costs on to the rest of us by raising our insurance premiums.

Are you ashamed to admit that you are a closet Republican?

What you term bragging I would call stating the truth. No I'm not ashamed to admit that I vote the way a moderate a Republican would...if you could find one these days. What are you talking about, I still pay taxes. I pushed nothing on to you because you and your wife I suspect have your premiums paid by others while you pay no taxes on that benefit whatsoever. I owe you nor anyone else a penny. A fellow whiner will be along soon to support you. Weren't you just lecturing someone on wealth envy by the way?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The truly wealthy are not 'punished' by an income tax system, they do not have 'income' in the conventional sense of the word. You only punish the up and coming wage slaves with such a system. If you want to really sock it to the wealthy you have to implement a tax based on net worth, and when you do that they flee the country and take their wealth with them (See France).

There are all sorts of perfectly legal means of protecting 'assets' (assets are what the truly wealthy have, not income). One of the companies I started was formed in a manner that was not tax friendly, ie. the infusion of capital came prior to the corporate formation and as such my stock immediately had value. The company purchased my stock for me in the form of a loan, and then forgave the loan which became a taxable event. Soooo, we then had the company pay the tax on the loan in the form of another loan which was also forgiven, another taxable event. I did have to pay that tax. I paid a percentage of a percentage, a mere pittance. That's how you protect assets.

Ishmael

And, if you raise their costs of business, then they pass the costs on just like any other. I wonder what girlsmiley will think when her increased taxes of the mining industry lead to less exports to China and thus less tax income...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Your suspicions are wrong... The Employer just provides the pool.

What you term bragging I would call stating the truth. No I'm not ashamed to admit that I vote the way a moderate a Republican would...if you could find one these days. What are you talking about, I still pay taxes. I pushed nothing on to you because you and your wife I suspect have your premiums paid by others while you pay no taxes on that benefit whatsoever. I owe you nor anyone else a penny. A fellow whiner will be along soon to support you. Weren't you just lecturing someone on wealth envy by the way?

I'm sorry, but our premiums, deductibles and co-pays come out of our paychecks and the all increased dramatically. She's been through menopause, but now we have to also pay the costs of fertile women, plus the costs of insuring rich, moderate Republicans who love Democrat Health Care because they get a "tax" break from it.

This is why moderate Republicans are so hated.

A_J's corollary #14, “The Modern Moderate/Conservative is defined by the enthusiasm, and self-congratulatory cries of ‘reasonable,” displayed in taking up a position held by the New Age Liberal after they have abandoned that hard-won cultural victory for one even more to the Left.”

 

[girlsmiley]

You're a great conversationist and deep thinker.

So you would just go take, what, half their money? They don't "need" it, right?

There is no possible good that they can do with it, is that the assumption here?

On what planet does 1% equal half the money?

 

[girlsmiley]

I mean, apart from America?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

On what planet does 1% equal half the money?

1% is kind of niggardly...


Why not 10%?

You stated how deep in debt your country was...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

America wants to know, are you advocating that you also give 1% more so that others can have their pensions increased?

 

[Ishmael]

And, if you raise their costs of business, then they pass the costs on just like any other. I wonder what girlsmiley will think when her increased taxes of the mining industry lead to less exports to China and thus less tax income...

They don't see that, ergo it doesn't exist. I don't know about Australia but in the US anywhere from 19% to 30% (varies by industry sector) of the cost of any good or service is tax and tax compliance. This is on top of any personal income tax the individual might pay.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

And, if you raise their costs of business, then they pass the costs on just like any other.

Had you attended an accredited college, you might have learned about Price Inelasticity in Econ 101.

Price inelasticiy helps to explain how a Big Mac Value Meal in Liberty Lake, Washington (where the minimum wage is $9.25 an hour) costs exactly the same as a Big Mac Value Meal six miles away in Post Falls, Idaho (where the minimum wage is $7.25 an hour) LINK

But you didn't, so you don't.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They don't see that, ergo it doesn't exist. I don't know about Australia but in the US anywhere from 19% to 30% (varies by industry sector) of the cost of any good or service is tax and tax compliance. This is on top of any personal income tax the individual might pay.

Ishmael

That was the conclusion of the commission hired by the flat-taxers that recommended the Fair Tax. I believe the Ivies have also confirmed this in several studies. This is why the lovers of government (for Social Justice and Equality, of course; their motives are pure, good and inspired by a deep sense of caring for the down-trodden) hate the idea of the consumer knowing what the real tax rate is. It would seriously cut down on their ability to always incrementally accrue more of the wealth of the productive class to lavish upon the unproductive class while forcing the Middle Class to support the real burden of the Social Democracy until it finally collapses into a two-tier tyranny.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That was the conclusion of the commission hired by the flat-taxers that recommended the Fair Tax. I believe the Ivies have also confirmed this in several studies. This is why the lovers of government (for Social Justice and Equality, of course; their motives are pure, good and inspired by a deep sense of caring for the down-trodden) hate the idea of the consumer knowing what the real tax rate is. It would seriously cut down on their ability to always incrementally accrue more of the wealth of the productive class to lavish upon the unproductive class while forcing the Middle Class to support the real burden of the Social Democracy until it finally collapses into a two-tier tyranny.

You'll never see a flat tax in America, Chief. Get over it. Not gonna happen.

 

[Que]

Had you attended an accredited college, you might have learned about Price Inelasticity in Econ 101.

Price inelasticiy helps to explain how a Big Mac Value Meal in Liberty Lake, Washington (where the minimum wage is $9.25 an hour) costs exactly the same as a Big Mac Value Meal six miles away in Post Falls, Idaho (where the minimum wage is $7.25 an hour) LINK

But you didn't, so you don't.

Is that why the rents are the same in Manhattan as in New Jersey?

 

[girlsmiley]

America wants to know, are you advocating that you also give 1% more so that others can have their pensions increased?

How about you ask the millions of people in America who are living in poverty how free they feel?

You're inching for a war. The only way you can pick yourselves up is by killing more people. How much does that suck?

But please, tell me again how the rich 1% are suffering from an increase in tax.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Is that why the rents are the same in Manhattan as in New Jersey?

Google "scarcity" and report back to the class.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How about you ask the millions of people in America who are living in poverty how free they feel?

You're inching for a war. The only way you can pick yourselves up is by killing more people. How much does that suck?

But please, tell me again how the rich 1% are suffering from an increase in tax.

The people in the United States who live at what we define as a poverty level in no way compare to the third world, the actual poor. They have cars, TVs, food stamps, WIC, education, school meals, welfare, disability and charity.

Inching for war? Liberating 50 million people in the last two decades? That makes me proud actually, that we were willing to try and do something other than wail and cry alligator tears like so many of our fellows of the former British Empire.

I have told you the harm done many times. The more you take from the "wealthy," the less their is for investment and the more the cost is born by the Middle Class, for they pass that cost on, how would the uneducated bogun describe it? Oh, yeah, shit rolls down hill...

Here, in the states, we are already soaking our top producers who pay the majority of all income taxes. If we took everything from them, it would run our government for a little more than two months...

 

[Que]

Google "scarcity" and report back to the class.

-course scaricity doesnt impact the value of labor, does it econ 101 professor?

Maybe if you can get the partisan hacks that sneak in to run the congressional budget on the odd Tuesdays that they don't support your ideas into your class, you could get some of your advanced theories a national audience.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Is that why the rents are the same in Manhattan as in New Jersey?

He hasn't priced the big Mac meal in New York or Chicago...

A lie of omission. Too bad his only econ experience was 101 and his PhD is in Political Lying.

 

[girlsmiley]

The people in the United States who live at what we define as a poverty level in no way compare to the third world, the actual poor. They have cars, TVs, food stamps, WIC, education, school meals, welfare, disability and charity.

Inching for war? Liberating 50 million people in the last two decades? That makes me proud actually, that we were willing to try and do something other than wail and cry alligator tears like so many of our fellows of the former British Empire.

I have told you the harm done many times. The more you take from the "wealthy," the less their is for investment and the more the cost is born by the Middle Class, for they pass that cost on, how would the uneducated bogun describe it? Oh, yeah, shit rolls down hill...

Here, in the states, we are already soaking our top producers who pay the majority of all income taxes. If we took everything from them, it would run our government for a little more than two months...

You invented the corporation. Americans. 1%? What would giving up 1% equal? That summer house in the Hamptons? The lambo? Poor cunts.

 

[girlsmiley]

You wouldn't last 5 minutes in Sydney.

 

[Adre]

Here, in the states, we are already soaking our top producers who pay the majority of all income taxes. If we took everything from them, it would run our government for a little more than two months...

One minute you tell me why I'm hated, then you give me the love. Make up your mind.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

How about you ask the millions of people in America who are living in poverty how free they feel?

You're inching for a war. The only way you can pick yourselves up is by killing more people. How much does that suck?

But please, tell me again how the rich 1% are suffering from an increase in tax.

I worked with the 'millions in poverty' for 2 decades. I write stories about them. They live for melodrama, chaos, and cheap chemical thrills. I buy the food they get from the government and charity, for a discount, of course.