How Global Warming Really Works

[thør]

They're polluting the atmosphere with water vapor??? A scandal I say! No wonder Phrodeau is upset...

It's a powerful greenhouse gas.

 

[toubab]

It's a powerful greenhouse gas.

It's only responsible for about 95% of the greenhouse effect. And only 99.999% of it occurs naturally, meaning having nothing to do with man or the activity of man on the planet.

 

[phrodeau]

And methane hydrates.



The "smoke" from the Nuke plant cooling tower is water vapor.

It's radioactive water vapor. That's Three Mile Island.

 

[StrangeLife]

It's radioactive water vapor. That's Three Mile Island.

Oh, you mean when...

... the compressors leaked, and some radioactive gas was released to the environment. These went through high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filters and charcoal filters which removed most of the radionuclides, except for the noble gases, the estimated total of which was about 370 PBq (the Kemeny Commission said ‘a maximum of 480 PBq noble gases’ and NRC also quotes 1.6 PBq of krypton rlelease in July). With short half-life and being biologically inert, these did not pose a health hazard.

Now I see the connection to Global Warming. Both are much ado about nothing.

 

[thør]

Now I see the connection to Global Warming. Both are much ado about nothing.

The IPCC recommends an increase in the number of nuke plants.

 

[phrodeau]

Some people have zero imagination. Can't name any other species that's digging up poisons and spreading them in the atmosphere.

 

[thør]

It's radioactive water vapor. That's Three Mile Island.

Radioactive water vapor would be T20.

 

[Ishmael]

The IPCC recommends an increase in the number of nuke plants.

Forgetting the IPCC for the moment, the arguments are getting quite convoluted.

That notorious right wing rag "Mother Jones" has come out against bio-ethanol, and wind. They are becoming more and more skeptical of solar as well. Needless to say nuclear is the pits as well as fossil fuels of any sort. All of which makes me wonder exactly what they expect civilization to be powered by? Welfare recipients on treadmills? I can't think of a better incentive to get off welfare, but without power what jobs will they do?

*scratches head*

Ishmael

 

[thør]

Forgetting the IPCC for the moment, the arguments are getting quite convoluted.

That notorious right wing rag "Mother Jones" has come out against bio-ethanol, and wind. They are becoming more and more skeptical of solar as well. Needless to say nuclear is the pits as well as fossil fuels of any sort. All of which makes me wonder exactly what they expect civilization to be powered by? Welfare recipients on treadmills? I can't think of a better incentive to get off welfare, but without power what jobs will they do?

*scratches head*

Ishmael

Trained hamsters to turn the wheels?

 

[Ishmael]

Trained hamsters to turn the wheels?

Got any idea as to how many hamsters that's going to take?

Ishmael

PS PETA will go nuts.

 

[thør]

Got any idea as to how many hamsters that's going to take?

Ishmael

PS PETA will go nuts.

A shit-pot.

Peta is busy trying to stop the dog mushers.

 

[Ishmael]

A shit-pot.

Peta is busy trying to stop the dog mushers.

Slave masters you mean.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

Some people have zero imagination. Geothermal, hydroelectric, tidal energy and biofuels like President Bush's switchgrass.

 

[Que]

Got any idea as to how many hamsters that's going to take?

Ishmael

PS PETA will go nuts.

If we be hamsters, do we not flatulate?

Some people have zero imagination. Geothermal, hydroelectric, tidal energy and biofuels like President Bush's switchgrass.

The first three are already done where practical to do so...guess melting glaciers could unleash torrential new un-damned rivers?

Are you of the mind that there are great, unused sites that could ever get permits to build plants to harvest valuable, essentially free energy? Yeah I'm sure Bechtel or whoever they have morphed into would have no interest in that.

Any biofuel requires vast energy to plant, harvest, process, and transport...which is why it is a dumb idea.

MAYBE some sort of massive algae or plankton plant near a source of abundant water, lots of sunshine, and a large population of people with no sense of smell might be viable.

Nuke FTW, period. For what we have already spent on yucca mountain NOT to store any waste we could guard and re-cask what waste we have indefinitely.

Breeder reactors are the answer... good thing that green Clinton Admin cut off that evil research. It isn't like we don't already know how to do it.

 

[thør]

Slave masters you mean.

Ishmael

I remember talking to the village leader out in Ekwok back in the '70's. He said, "When the snowmachines were good enough, I shot all my dogs."

 

[Ishmael]

I remember talking to the village leader out in Ekwok back in the '70's. He said, "When the snowmachines were good enough, I shot all my dogs."

No "Plan B" for him in his mind. *chuckle*

Ishmael

 

[thør]

Some people have zero imagination. Geothermal, hydroelectric, tidal energy and biofuels like President Bush's switchgrass.

I have no problem with those as long as they work and are economic.

 

[Que]

I remember talking to the village leader out in Ekwok back in the '70's. He said, "When the snowmachines were good enough, I shot all my dogs."

hahahah..I guess PETA is glad they no longer are being exploited...

Don't you love how happy a working dog of any stripe looks when he's on task?

I read an interesting piece on the evolution of the synergy between humans and "domesticated" animals. Who exploited whom? Cats, clearly, own humans. Hell, cats are obviously behind the internet.

 

[thør]

No "Plan B" for him in his mind. *chuckle*

Ishmael

You know how hard it is to feed 20 or 30 dogs with a subsistence lifestyle?

 

[Ishmael]

You know how hard it is to feed 20 or 30 dogs with a subsistence lifestyle?

No, but I know how expensive it is supporting a herd of horses on a damn good income, so I can relate.

I'm surrounded by aborigines here as well. They've all given up their ancestral ways so they can drive F-150's with crew cabs, have tile floors, and go to Super Cuts to have their ponytails done up right. After a certain point there just ain't no turnin' back.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

No, but I know how expensive it is supporting a herd of horses on a damn good income, so I can relate.

I'm surrounded by aborigines here as well. They've all given up their ancestral ways so they can drive F-150's with crew cabs, have tile floors, and go to Super Cuts to have their ponytails done up right. After a certain point there just ain't no turnin' back.

Ishmael

Dogs used to get 1 pound of dried salmon per day.

 

[haurni]

That notorious right wing rag "Mother Jones" has come out against bio-ethanol, and wind. They are becoming more and more skeptical of solar as well. Needless to say nuclear is the pits as well as fossil fuels of any sort. All of which makes me wonder exactly what they expect civilization to be powered by? Welfare recipients on treadmills? I can't think of a better incentive to get off welfare, but without power what jobs will they do?

I heard about the recent study saying that corn-based biofuel is worse for greenhouse gas emissions but I haven't read it. I therefore can't say if some other source of biomass would be a better choice (especially when corn can be used to feed people). Nuclear plants have the obvious issues of long-lasting radioactive byproducts and the possibility of leakage. Hydro is currently the largest renewable resource. Solar and wind are probably the easiest to harness of the remaining renewables as most places don't have easy access to geothermal sources. I'll have to look for that Mother Jones article (if you have a link I'd appreciate it) but I think the major objections to wind are noise and effects on birds. Given that simply flying into windows is estimated to kill tens of millions of birds annually in Canada and the UK then the number of bird deaths in wind generators needs to be assessed and put into perspective.

 

[Ishmael]

Dogs used to get 1 pound of dried salmon per day.

Performance dogs EVERYWHERE eat like royalty so what it costs in time and food to keep a team together wouldn't surprise me in the least. I had a couple of show/coursing dogs at one time and I know what they cost me.

Ishmael

 

[StrangeLife]

I remember talking to the village leader out in Ekwok back in the '70's. He said, "When the snowmachines were good enough, I shot all my dogs."

http://s15.postimg.org/uu5nk4vkr/IMG_6970.jpg

Dogs used to get 1 pound of dried salmon per day.

People and dogs in AK are seriously spoiled as far as seafood goes...

 

[Ishmael]

I heard about the recent study saying that corn-based biofuel is worse for greenhouse gas emissions but I haven't read it. I therefore can't say if some other source of biomass would be a better choice (especially when corn can be used to feed people). Nuclear plants have the obvious issues of long-lasting radioactive byproducts and the possibility of leakage. Hydro is currently the largest renewable resource. Solar and wind are probably the easiest to harness of the remaining renewables as most places don't have easy access to geothermal sources. I'll have to look for that Mother Jones article (if you have a link I'd appreciate it) but I think the major objections to wind are noise and effects on birds. Given that simply flying into windows is estimated to kill tens of millions of birds annually in Canada and the UK then the number of bird deaths in wind generators needs to be assessed and put into perspective.

Just go to MJ and search their archives by subject.

The issue with the wind farms re. birds is that they kill the larger birds, especially the raptors. And Bats by the millions. Solar farms fry them out of the air. And both wind and solar are heavily subsidized.

Hydro is the only real non-issue today, unless you propose a large project.

Geo-thermal is not what it's cracked up to be. It did provide important technological advances that are used in slant/horizontal drilling and fracking though.

Ishmael