A different take on Cliven Bundy

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Monday, Apr 21, 2014 07:43 AM EDT

Cliven Bundy got one thing right: His claim is absurd, but challenging property law is not

He may be a clown, but his actions raise a question: Who is the state to determine who gets to use what resources?

Matt Bruenig


Clive Bundy’s property rights dispute with the federal government appears now to be over. For those unaware, basically this rancher wanted to graze cattle on federally owned land without paying the grazing fee, due to some strange legal theory that the land was really his. The spectacle generated an obscene amount of commentary to which I am guiltily adding here. I wouldn’t be adding any commentary to it except that all of the analysis I read on it seems to have missed the mark.

More than anything else to have gotten this much attention in a long time, what the Bundy saga shows us is that property ownership is a purely governmental construct. The allocation of resources in this country is done by government-imposed institutions, most especially through the biggest government programs in history: property and contract law. At its root, the Bundy dispute is not about who owns the land. We already know who owns it because the law is pretty clear. It is about who gets to decide the question in the first place.

In essence, Bundy’s actions challenge everyone to ask themselves: Who is the state to determine who gets to use what resources? Or, alternatively, why should we think that the way the state has currently determined that question is the correct one?

Bundy is a clown whose particular pleas are totally unsympathetic, though his identity presentation triggers the right tribal signals, causing political blocs to churn in predictable ways. But the basic idea of challenging property laws in this way is not a new one and the question of how to create our scarcity allocation institutions is a perpetual one.

Before Bundy, for instance, we had the civil rights movement and its famed sit-ins. Among other things, those sit-ins were straightforwardly challenging the state’s construction of property law in such a way that empowers certain people to exclude others from places based upon their racist whims (whims that the state enforces with its police, as the sit-in participants experienced quite directly). More recently, efforts to prohibit anti-gay discrimination in public accommodations present a similar protest, arguing that our statist property law institutions should not operate so as to keep people out of certain places because of their sexual orientation.

These kinds of property law challenges even pop up in very mundane places. The New York Times reported in January of this year about a property law dispute between a McDonald’s in Queens and a group of elderly people. The elderly people believed that they should be allowed to sit in the McDonald’s for as long as they want, while the McDonald’s proprietor thought they should be limited. The violent state made the property law decision that the elderly must go and have started to kick them out for staying too long. But, like Cliven Bundy, they are reported to be bucking the state’s property law institutions as best they can by leaving when the police force them to, circling the block, and then buying something else and sitting back down.

From Bundy, to sit-ins, to anti-discrimination battles, to elderly patrons who really want to hang out in McDonald’s, these are all the same kind of dispute. The state creates laws that determine who can use what, when, where and how. And sometimes people disagree with those statist property laws and think they should be reconfigured along other lines.

The biggest mistake we can make when talking about these kinds of things is to act like the question of how to construct our scarcity allocation institutions is one of fact. It’s not. It’s not truly the case that Bundy is in the right or that the federal government is in the right, as if there is some kind of objective determination to be made on the matter. Who gets to use that land is totally made up and we can make it up however we want. The same is true over who gets to use any other piece of the world that resides within the borders of this nation.

Ultimately, I find Bundy’s claim wrong, not because it is against the law, but because I’d much rather he pay rent on the land (which, by the way, nobody makes) than have him capture the unearned windfall of land rents at the expense of everyone else. But I applaud the basic idea that we should be rethinking our economic institutions and whether they are actually serving us the way they ought to. When 75 percent of the things in this country are controlled by 10 percent of the people, I’d say they aren’t serving us well. And like Bundy, I’d be up for some civil disobedience against the statist property institutions that create and enforce that disparity as well.
 
And like Bundy, I’d be up for some civil disobedience against the statist property institutions that create and enforce that disparity as well.

Of what form, though? The OWS model already has been tried.
 
Of what form, though? The OWS model already has been tried.
Whhat is interesting is how many liberal politicians were silent on the far more destructive and law breaking OWS.

Yes Bundy is breaking the law by not paying grazing fee.

but the govt overreached on hi, tazing his kid, killing his cattle
On the other hand OWS which occupied areas causing disruption and destroying public property was treated much easier
 
Whhat is interesting is how many liberal politicians were silent on the far more destructive and law breaking OWS.

Yes Bundy is breaking the law by not paying grazing fee.

but the govt overreached on hi, tazing his kid, killing his cattle
On the other hand OWS which occupied areas causing disruption and destroying public property was treated much easier

Yes, Bundy is breaking the law. FULL STOP. He has been doing so for 20 years.

His "Kid" is 37 years old and was tazed after he assaulted a police dog by kicking it.

To my knowledge none of Bundy's cattle were killed, although some were impounded over the years due to his refusal to abide by the law and several court orders.
 
I’m sure that Cliven Bundy probably could have cut a deal with the Bureau of Land Management and should have. Of course, it’s never wise to let a federal court order hang over your head. And certainly we cannot have a world of Cliven Bundys if a legal system is to function.

In a practical sense, I also know that if I were to burn brush on a no-burn day, or toss an empty pesticide container in the garbage bin, or shoot a coyote too near the road, I would incur the wrath of the government in a way someone does not who dumps a stripped stolen auto (two weeks ago) in my vineyard, or solvents, oil, and glass (a few months ago), or rips out copper wire from the pump for the third time (last year). Living in a Winnebago with a porta-potty and exposed Romex in violation of zoning statutes for many is not quite breaking the law where I live; having a mailbox five inches too high for some others certainly is.

So Mr. Bundy must realize that in about 1990 we decided to focus on the misdemeanor of the law-abiding citizen and to ignore the felony of the lawbreaker. The former gave law enforcement respect; the latter ignored their authority. The first made or at least did not cost enforcers money; arresting the second began a money-losing odyssey of incarceration, trials, lawyers, appeals, and all the rest.

Mr. Bundy knows that the bullies of the BLM would much rather send a SWAT team after him than after 50 illegal aliens being smuggled by a gun-toting cartel across the southwestern desert. How strange, then, at this late postmodern date, for someone like Bundy on his horse still to be playing the law-breaking maverick Jack Burns (Kirk Douglas) in (the David Miller, Dalton Trumbo, Edward Abbey effort) Lonely Are the Brave.

But the interest in Mr. Bundy’s case is not about legal strategies in revolving fiscal disagreements with the federal government.

Instead, we all have followed Mr. Bundy for three reasons.

One, he called attention to the frightening fact that the federal government owns 83% of the land in Nevada. Note that “federal” and “government” are the key words and yet are abstractions. Rather, a few thousands unelected employees — in the BLM, EPA, Defense Department, and other alphabet soup agencies — can pretty much do what they want on the land they control. And note, this is not quite the case in Silicon Valley or Manhattan or Laguna Beach. The danger can be summed up by a scene I see about once a month on a Fresno freeway: a decrepit truck stopped by the California Highway Patrol for having inadequate tarps on a trailer of green clippings, just as a new city garbage truck speeds by, with wet garbage flying over the median. Who will police the police?

Two, this administration has a long record of not following the law — picking and choosing when and how to enforce immigration statutes, depending on the particular dynamics of the next election; picking and choosing which elements of Obamacare to enforce, again depending on perceived political advantage; and picking and choosing when to go after coal companies, or when not to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, or when to reverse the order of the Chrysler creditors, or when to allow Lois Lerner to destroy the credibility of the IRS for partisan advantage.

In other words, the Obama administration regularly breaks the law as it sees fit. So we wonder why a federal agency sends out swarms of armed security agents to the empty desert on behalf of a tortoise, when it could just as easily storm Jay Carney’s press conference and demand that the president promise to enforce the Affordable Care Act. Or start apprehending those who are not just violating immigration law, but also serially signing false federal affidavits or providing employers with fraudulent identities.

Finally, Bundy, for all his contradictions, is a throwback to a different age. As the photo atop this article suggests, I had a Bundy-like Swedish grandfather — gassed in the Meuse-Argonne and left with charred lungs — who became a sort of recluse. He broke horses for a living and in his long widowhood survived on his chickens, goats, rabbits, cows, and sheep, in subsistence fashion from 40 acres. He taught me how to dress out a pig, skin goats, and shoot. He also gave me lessons about the world of riding bareback on matched mules. He slept with a bottle of port on his nightstand and a loaded .30-40 Krag leaning against the headboard.

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So we are not threatened by the likes of Cliven Bundy. Instead, the scary lawlessness extends to the bureaucracy itself, given that under Obama the government is becoming tainted and an ideological tool of social transformation. After just six years, we shrug that, of course, the IRS is biased. The Justice Department is politicized; ask Dinesh D’Souza or the AP reporters. No need to mention the NSA. The EPA makes laws up as ideologically required. No one believes the State Department that in the weeks before the election a video-caused “riot” led to expert jihadists zeroing in with their GPS-guided mortars on a CIA annex in Benghazi. And so on.

Bundy is just different from what is now America — he looks different, talks differently, and dresses differently. These are the superficial veneers to someone who lives mostly through different premises from those of Pajama Boy nation, the world of Jay Carney and his cute Stalinist posters, the cosmos of Anita Dunn and her Mao gushes, or the metrosexual networking that is the gospel of Silicon Valley or the DC beltway. Few of us rely on human muscle anymore to survive one more day. Fewer of those who do combine that with horse-power, and its world of leather and wood and rope. Bundy is self-employed, without an SEIU union, a PERS pension, or a GS-15 health plan.

Given all that, I suggest Cliven Bundy is far more endangered than is the desert tortoise, and that his kind will be gone shortly in a way the federally protected tarantula and Gila monster or delta smelt will not. He, not they, is in the federal crosshairs. So, yes, I can make some allowances for the nihilism of Cliven Bundy. We could not live in a modern, high-tech world only of Cliven Bundys, but perhaps we cannot live in a world without a few of them now and then to remind us of what we have become.

Almost everything, natural and human, has conspired against these sorts: a hail storm that wrecked the plum crop two days before harvest, or a swaggering psychopathic neighbor who stole the irrigation canal water until stopped, or a no-good who filed a phony workers’ compensation claim for a stubbed toe, or an ancient wobbly grinder that sliced off a finger, or the thieving Packing Company that always sent back slips each year saying “45% cull rate,” whether the fruit was small or big, scarred or smooth, ripe, overripe, or green.

To be a cattleman in the Nevada desert in America of 2014 is to live on Mars, or rather to live among 24/7 enemies, human and animal alike. How a man survives from cattle ranching on leased land in the Nevada badlands I cannot imagine, but I wonder nonetheless and in that amazement wish to see him continue.

My cowboy grandfather, Frank Hanson, died at 80, while Reese Davis, my maternal one, died at 86, in a world where the former never, until his last day, went to the doctor after his year in a Belgium hospital (he was a Lewis machine gunner before the gassing), and the latter went just twice. Theirs was a pre-cholesterol-testing, no-colonoscopy world, in which you just chugged on eating the wrong food, getting up to hard physical work each morning until you “got a cancer” or “the ticker quit” and at your funeral the neighbors said “ya, he worked hard” and went home. I remember the oncologist saying to my father about his dead father, “Are you sure he didn’t smoke? Take a look at those burned lungs on the X-ray.” And my dad curtly answered the specialist, “That’s what mustard gas does.”

The point is Mr. Bundy is no Rahm Emanuel, Al Gore, or Jay Carney. He is no Jay-Z or Sean Penn. He is a world away from the Kardashians and the BMW meets Mercedes crowd of the California coastal corridor or the psychodramas of brats at Dartmouth. Bundy does not have the white privilege that those who have it — mostly liberal, wealthy, and seeking an apartheid existence — damn in others.

Money is not Bundy’s point. Pleasing Harry Reid or the federal bureaucracy is not either. Making a living from the scrub of a desert by providing people good food probably is.

Grant him that. He’s our past, Harry Reid and the bunch in Washington our future. To paraphrase the ancients, sometimes we’d rather be wrong with Cliven Bundy than right with Harry Reid — and the SWAT teams that will revisit Mr. Bundy and his clan very, very soon to enforce a dispute over grazing fees and insensitivity to a tortoise.
Victor Davis Hanson, PJMedia

Not just him, but everyone who rode for him.
 
Let's flip this. Let's say this welfare rancher was Indian, or Hispanic, or Black. Do you think Fox would be flaming the fires? Would those nutjobs with guns militia be there, threatening lawful government agents?

And what about those nutjobs? Why aren't they arrested, thrown in jail? They had NO fucking business being there, aiming guns at LAWFUL GOVERNMENT AGENTS.

Oh, and for those stupid, ignorant idiots that got all bent out of shape when government agents came to Bundy's home with guns, saying the guns were unnecessary and never used before, are fooling themselves. EVERY time a warrant is served, a piece of law paper, is served, the law officer, whether local, county, state, or Federal, HAS A GUN with them!

For fuck's sake, this guy is a deadbeat welfare rancher. He's a fucking taker!!
 
Why does everyone portray this man as some rugged individual yearning for nothing but freedom, instead of an agricultural business cutting corners illegally for maximized profit margins?
 
Why does everyone portray this man as some rugged individual yearning for nothing but freedom, instead of an agricultural business cutting corners illegally for maximized profit margins?

Because he's white
 
Why does everyone portray this man as some rugged individual yearning for nothing but freedom, instead of an agricultural business cutting corners illegally for maximized profit margins?

The enduring myth of the "rugged bootstrappy cowboy" still has tremendous appeal to the pot-bellied urban-thug-fearing former Marine couch potato demographic. They live vicariously through these evildoers.
 
Let's flip this. Let's say this welfare rancher was Indian, or Hispanic, or Black. Do you think Fox would be flaming the fires? Would those nutjobs with guns militia be there, threatening lawful government agents?

And what about those nutjobs? Why aren't they arrested, thrown in jail? They had NO fucking business being there, aiming guns at LAWFUL GOVERNMENT AGENTS.

Oh, and for those stupid, ignorant idiots that got all bent out of shape when government agents came to Bundy's home with guns, saying the guns were unnecessary and never used before, are fooling themselves. EVERY time a warrant is served, a piece of law paper, is served, the law officer, whether local, county, state, or Federal, HAS A GUN with them!

For fuck's sake, this guy is a deadbeat welfare rancher. He's a fucking taker!!

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ucrk7y/apocalypse-cow---welfare-rancher
 
I've got an idea! Since Bundy has proven it is kosher to come armed to a public political demonstration, let's Occupy Wall Street again -- but this time, let's bring guns! :)

What could go wrong?!
 
I've got an idea! Since Bundy has proven it is kosher to come armed to a public political demonstration, let's Occupy Wall Street again -- but this time, let's bring guns! :)

What could go wrong?!

Remember, women and children out front. If the cops are gonna start shooting us it needs to be on the news that we're the kind of people who use women and children as shields.
 
Remember, women and children out front. If the cops are gonna start shooting us it needs to be on the news that we're the kind of people who use women and children as shields.

Actually, my plans for the women involve them out in front -- on their knees with their mouths open. "Make love not war, cop!"
 
Actually, my plans for the women involve them out in front -- on their knees with their mouths open. "Make love not war, cop!"

When you hold a demonstration tell me where it is. I promise I'll make every effort to disperse your crowd.
 
Yes, Bundy is breaking the law. FULL STOP. He has been doing so for 20 years.

His "Kid" is 37 years old and was tazed after he assaulted a police dog by kicking it.

To my knowledge none of Bundy's cattle were killed, although some were impounded over the years due to his refusal to abide by the law and several court orders.
Some of Bundy's cattle were killed.

On the news this morning.
 
Let's flip this. Let's say this welfare rancher was Indian, or Hispanic, or Black. Do you think Fox would be flaming the fires? Would those nutjobs with guns militia be there, threatening lawful government agents?

And what about those nutjobs? Why aren't they arrested, thrown in jail? They had NO fucking business being there, aiming guns at LAWFUL GOVERNMENT AGENTS.

Oh, and for those stupid, ignorant idiots that got all bent out of shape when government agents came to Bundy's home with guns, saying the guns were unnecessary and never used before, are fooling themselves. EVERY time a warrant is served, a piece of law paper, is served, the law officer, whether local, county, state, or Federal, HAS A GUN with them!

For fuck's sake, this guy is a deadbeat welfare rancher. He's a fucking taker!!
Fine lets flip it, would MSNBC or NYT being attacking him?

Fox is consistent in supporting individual rights and government overreach.
 
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