Tsotha
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My intent with this message is to present the evidence showing that not only did I not "goad" Senna Jawa, I haven't even communicated with him in any significant manner for the last three weeks.
I realize this issue has created tension in the forum, which drives away good people who — understandably — just want to write their poems. To those, I apologize. It was never my intention to start a "crusade" against anyone — yet, I have been insulted, and I have insulted back. Did I act in the ideal way? No, I could have acted better. This I openly admit.
What I cannot and will not accept is for falsehood to be thrown upon me. Between suffering baseless accusations and having this message repeatedly deleted by our moderator (in different versions; I was trying to avoid breaking the rules — a serious investment in time, just to be allowed to defend myself. Luckily I had made a backup), it has become quite clear that no, there actually isn't a "place for everyone" in this forum.
This latest tension hasn't even been caused by a run-in with Senna Jawa — rather, it happened due to what can be seen here. I would explain further, but I'm not sure if it will not cause this thread to be deleted yet again, so I'll just have to leave it at that.
Again, I apologize to those who have been affected by the tension I have helped create in this forum.
Best regards,
Tsotha
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I've been accused of goading Senna Jawa.
These are ALL the threads where I've interacted with Senna Jawa (in chronological order):
1) Marina Tsvetaeva, [??? ????????, ...] + 2 translations - Where we discuss a poem in russian. (peaceful)
2) what's your poetic achilles'-heel? - where I attempt to undo a misunderstanding between butters and Senna Jawa. (peaceful)
3) The Tsotha improvement project thread - Where Senna Jawa says my "poem is terrible", tells me to think about what poetry is, and when I do (writing a long and thoughtful message, trying to decipher what the fuck he is talking about), he says that he expects me to answer his non-question again, this time without any "non-meritorious shambo-mambo". (insulted by SJ)
4) handy advice in sound-bite size - where Senna Jawa compares me to a horse that cannot drink from the river (written minutes after I told him that calling my response "non-meritorious shambo-mambo" was insulting). Where I then tell him to shove it, and that I prefer him not to comment on my poems. (insulted again by SJ, I insult him back)
5) Before and after, an exercize. - Where I tell Senna Jawa his reduction is bad, and he calls me an idiot. I then insult him back, heavily. (I apply the SJ-style of comment to a poem by SJ, SJ insults me, and I insult him back) NOTE: Several posts have been deleted here, since they were nothing but an exchange of insults. If anyone wants to see it, for fact checking, I can provide my backup of the exchange.
6) Poetry License: - Where Senna Jawa offers advice, and I link to a thread containing a list of other advice by him (saying he "forgot" it). He replies by saying: "I don't have to. It's good that you remember it." (indifferent)
The above happened over 3 weeks ago. Where is the goading?
And now, yesterday:
1) Creativity and business. Heros and anti-heros. Etc. - Where Angeline says "people" are "goading and baiting" Senna Jawa, after two weeks of peace. (insulted by Angeline)
2) 30 Poems in 30 Days (Redux) - Where I wrote a poem in response to SJ's poem, after Angeline decided to poke me. (I insult SJ - smooth moderation)
Here is a list of threads SJ has started that I haven't commented on at all:
1) VCR poems--post them, make them vivid.
2) From a seed to a tree
3) Why did/do you write poems?
4) New direction--psychology
Here is a thread where we've both posted, and where I haven't interacted with SJ at all:
1) What's wrong with rhyme?
Where exactly do I keep goading him? I interacted with SJ in ONE thread — the one where I linked to his advice.
The truth is this: I have mostly ignored SJ since the reduction thread, until Angeline yet again decided to step forward to defend SJ from the people he himself pissed off.
I'm being accused of goading SJ when I didn't (ONE message, that's the extent of my interaction with him since the reduction thread). But even if I did goad him, I'd suggest he took Angeline's sage advice, making use of the ignore button.
My intent with this message is to present the evidence showing that not only did I not "goad" Senna Jawa, I haven't even communicated with him in any significant manner for the last three weeks.
I realize this issue has created tension in the forum, which drives away good people who — understandably — just want to write their poems. To those, I apologize. It was never my intention to start a "crusade" against anyone — yet, I have been insulted, and I have insulted back. Did I act in the ideal way? No, I could have acted better. This I openly admit.
What I cannot and will not accept is for falsehood to be thrown upon me. Between suffering baseless accusations and having this message repeatedly deleted by our moderator (in different versions; I was trying to avoid breaking the rules — a serious investment in time, just to be allowed to defend myself. Luckily I had made a backup), it has become quite clear that no, there actually isn't a "place for everyone" in this forum.
This latest tension hasn't even been caused by a run-in with Senna Jawa — rather, it happened due to what can be seen here. I would explain further, but I'm not sure if it will not cause this thread to be deleted yet again, so I'll just have to leave it at that.
Again, I apologize to those who have been affected by the tension I have helped create in this forum.
Best regards,
Tsotha
------
I've been accused of goading Senna Jawa.
These are ALL the threads where I've interacted with Senna Jawa (in chronological order):
1) Marina Tsvetaeva, [??? ????????, ...] + 2 translations - Where we discuss a poem in russian. (peaceful)
2) what's your poetic achilles'-heel? - where I attempt to undo a misunderstanding between butters and Senna Jawa. (peaceful)
3) The Tsotha improvement project thread - Where Senna Jawa says my "poem is terrible", tells me to think about what poetry is, and when I do (writing a long and thoughtful message, trying to decipher what the fuck he is talking about), he says that he expects me to answer his non-question again, this time without any "non-meritorious shambo-mambo". (insulted by SJ)
4) handy advice in sound-bite size - where Senna Jawa compares me to a horse that cannot drink from the river (written minutes after I told him that calling my response "non-meritorious shambo-mambo" was insulting). Where I then tell him to shove it, and that I prefer him not to comment on my poems. (insulted again by SJ, I insult him back)
5) Before and after, an exercize. - Where I tell Senna Jawa his reduction is bad, and he calls me an idiot. I then insult him back, heavily. (I apply the SJ-style of comment to a poem by SJ, SJ insults me, and I insult him back) NOTE: Several posts have been deleted here, since they were nothing but an exchange of insults. If anyone wants to see it, for fact checking, I can provide my backup of the exchange.
6) Poetry License: - Where Senna Jawa offers advice, and I link to a thread containing a list of other advice by him (saying he "forgot" it). He replies by saying: "I don't have to. It's good that you remember it." (indifferent)
The above happened over 3 weeks ago. Where is the goading?
And now, yesterday:
1) Creativity and business. Heros and anti-heros. Etc. - Where Angeline says "people" are "goading and baiting" Senna Jawa, after two weeks of peace. (insulted by Angeline)
2) 30 Poems in 30 Days (Redux) - Where I wrote a poem in response to SJ's poem, after Angeline decided to poke me. (I insult SJ - smooth moderation)
Here is a list of threads SJ has started that I haven't commented on at all:
1) VCR poems--post them, make them vivid.
2) From a seed to a tree
3) Why did/do you write poems?
4) New direction--psychology
Here is a thread where we've both posted, and where I haven't interacted with SJ at all:
1) What's wrong with rhyme?
Where exactly do I keep goading him? I interacted with SJ in ONE thread — the one where I linked to his advice.
The truth is this: I have mostly ignored SJ since the reduction thread, until Angeline yet again decided to step forward to defend SJ from the people he himself pissed off.
I'm being accused of goading SJ when I didn't (ONE message, that's the extent of my interaction with him since the reduction thread). But even if I did goad him, I'd suggest he took Angeline's sage advice, making use of the ignore button.
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