CBO Says The Obama Plan To Raise Minimum Wage...

[Ishmael]

I posted it was close to 40%, he just didn't want to check it out.

In a stable economy white teen unemployment usually runs between 14-18% and black teen unemployment runs between 22-26%. White teen unemployment is currently running approx. 26% and I've already posted the black teen numbers. Neither have been below 20% and 30% respectively since 2009.

Ishmael

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Interesting article. You present it deceptively and it's abit confusing at least to me but interesting.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

Well, either it's a job-killer or it ain't. There are economists arguing both sides of that question. But while we can vote on the minimum wage, we can't vote on the operations of market economics. Yet.

Good point.

The problem is minimum wage helps the slackers and hurts the people that want to work hard.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

In a stable economy white teen unemployment usually runs between 14-18% and black teen unemployment runs between 22-26%. White teen unemployment is currently running approx. 26% and I've already posted the black teen numbers. Neither have been below 20% and 30% respectively since 2009.

Ishmael

Why is teen unemployment so important? It is only a 4 year window.

How about numbers from 20 years old to 30. That means more.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Why is teen unemployment so important? It is only a 4 year window.

How about numbers from 20 years old to 30. That means more.

Good point, I've often wondered that myself.

I guess any demographic with large unemployment numbers is going to get the "fainting couch" treatment from Lit's original hot-house flower, Ishmael.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

Good point, I've often wondered that myself.

I guess any demographic with large unemployment numbers is going to get the "fainting couch" treatment from Lit's original hot-house flower, Ishmael.

How many teen file for unemployment? The numbers do not mean shit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why is teen unemployment so important? It is only a 4 year window.

How about numbers from 20 years old to 30. That means more.

I don't even think it's fair to call it a 4 year window since ideally those people should be in school and not working. I only knew a few people who graduated before turning 18 and none who had more than a handful of months. Still it's a statistic.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Good point.

The problem is minimum wage helps the slackers and hurts the people that want to work hard.

Don't see how. The slackers still have to work to earn it, and the harder workers should be able to earn more than minimum wage.

 

[Ishmael]

Why is teen unemployment so important? It is only a 4 year window.

How about numbers from 20 years old to 30. That means more.

The reason that those numbers are of importance is because that age demographic is where the cycle of crime and punishment starts. Idle hands are the devils workshop.

Ishmael

 

[Sean Renaud]

The reason that those numbers are of importance is because that age demographic is where the cycle of crime and punishment starts. Idle hands are the devils workshop.

Ishmael

Oh. That's a stupid point then. I really have to stop assuming so often and just ask more questions. There are far better ways to prevent idle hands if you actually believe that they are the problem and not poverty.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You made that up. UPS requires proof of eligibility to work in the US.

Along with all the other companies that together hire millions of illegal paperless immigrants for shit jobs the nation over. You're full of shit.

Quoted for the next time Vette demands someone show where he's made a blatantly racist comment.

Dude you could post pic's of his early grand wizard years and the mother fucker would worm some bull fuckin' shit story about how he's not really a racist and then make a full denial at the end of the story. Then he could be like zumi and post a thumbs up of the latest bigoted shit and deny that too. At least JBJ and BB are up front about the shit....vette is a spineless bitch about it and needs to man the fuck up.

 

[Ishmael]

Oh. That's a stupid point then. I really have to stop assuming so often and just ask more questions. There are far better ways to prevent idle hands if you actually believe that they are the problem and not poverty.

You're not real sharp when it comes to critical thought, economics, or statistics, are you?

Ishmael

 

[lovecraft68]

Here's something that comes to mind with this.

Okay so someone has been at a job for a few years. Its not a great paying job. Maybe they're at say $12 an hour.

Now in RI I think Minimum wage is $7.85 right now.

So okay, minimum wage goes up to ten. The person who just started gets a $2.15 raise. Okay good for him

Now what about the guy who has been there 5 years? Think he is going to get something? Of course not because the employers now have to give out a bunch of raises because they HAVE to so they are not going to give anything to people who make more.

So what should be being talked about is when the minimum wage goes up there should be a percentage wage for people already making over that to make it fair.

But, yeah right on that one.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're not real sharp when it comes to critical thought, economics, or statistics, are you?

Ishmael

You weren't discussing any of that. You were claiming bored people do stupid shit.

Here's something that comes to mind with this.

Okay so someone has been at a job for a few years. Its not a great paying job. Maybe they're at say $12 an hour.

Now in RI I think Minimum wage is $7.85 right now.

So okay, minimum wage goes up to ten. The person who just started gets a $2.15 raise. Okay good for him

Now what about the guy who has been there 5 years? Think he is going to get something? Of course not because the employers now have to give out a bunch of raises because they HAVE to so they are not going to give anything to people who make more.

So what should be being talked about is when the minimum wage goes up there should be a percentage wage for people already making over that to make it fair.

But, yeah right on that one.

Eventually they will give something to those people but yeah it sucks in a "I got mine already fuck you" sort of way for those already making more than the MW. It's less than ideal.

I'm not sure a percentage increase for everybody working is feesible. I like it in spirit but I'm no math whiz but I can easily see how crazy that could get how quickly.

 

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[Ishmael]

You weren't discussing any of that. You were claiming bored people do stupid shit.

Generally speaking they do do stupid shit.

If you are young and unemployed it's fairly certain you are also poverty stricken. How do you get out of poverty? You get a fucking job. Jobs instill responsibility, provide a legitimate income, and helps the individual develop the skills necessary to get an even better job. But if there are no jobs, ie the economy is shit, and you're young and away from family you aren't getting any unemployment because you have no job history, maybe some minimal public assistance. But being young it's unlikely that you're spending your days sitting on the porch stoop.

So there's all sorts of things out there that an enterprising young man can do, deal crack, smack, meth, jack cars for the chop shop down the block, or run a string of bimbo's who are collecting WIC benefits.

Eventually you're going to get busted because you're young and the young behave stupidly, so do old people but not nearly so often. And so the cycle starts, in jail, out of jail and unemployed, back to jail again.

Being in poverty is NOT an excuse to turn to a life of crime. There are others ways out of poverty, but a shit economy makes it all the harder to take the path that will lead to a place in civil society.

Ishmael

 

[bill-pix-trade]

The reason that those numbers are of importance is because that age demographic is where the cycle of crime and punishment starts. Idle hands are the devils workshop.

Ishmael

That is obvious but I think it is a bit old school. I wonder how they even get the number. It really is a number that can be used in so many different ways and to suit different needs especially when you compare races. I bet it changes more drastically when social economic groups are compared.

The cycle starts way before that. It starts when the dad leaves the home or is never there and there are few if any role models. Kids grow up hungry, develop poor learning habits, and no one can help them at home. They move into puberty with no role models, they fall behind in school, they act out because the world around them is not as great as the world on TV. They don't read well enough to keep up and they don't write well either. Their stuff gets taken by bigger kids, they get smacked around if they try to fight back. Their old brother's best friend is shot and the Aunt ODs. Are you getting the picture?

Who is going to help them. Either way we pay.

Lets look at 5th grade reading scores. I be you see the same numbers. Just saying.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

Here's something that comes to mind with this.

Okay so someone has been at a job for a few years. Its not a great paying job. Maybe they're at say $12 an hour.

Now in RI I think Minimum wage is $7.85 right now.

So okay, minimum wage goes up to ten. The person who just started gets a $2.15 raise. Okay good for him

Now what about the guy who has been there 5 years? Think he is going to get something? Of course not because the employers now have to give out a bunch of raises because they HAVE to so they are not going to give anything to people who make more.

So what should be being talked about is when the minimum wage goes up there should be a percentage wage for people already making over that to make it fair.

But, yeah right on that one.

I would agree minimum wage does not help folks that want to work hard.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

You weren't discussing any of that. You were claiming bored people do stupid shit.

Having raised two teen boys and coached 1,000s more. Bored teens do stupid shit. There are studies all over the place about brain development and judgement. These studies do not delineate between races or social economic backgrounds. They all conclude teens do stupid things and need to be kept busy with something.

That is the main reason I was wondering about the 20-30 range.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

It tends to come out when you're addressing one too, falsetto fart.

This doesn't make any sense, Grampy Piss-Pot. But I reckon you needed a halfway literate excuse to say "fart."

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[IrezumiKiss]

It's probably that high pitched ass weeze you call a voice.

You and your wide open tells, guy. I bet you're the world's worst poker player. Just come out with your fetish already, us liberals are very understanding about sex philias. That's why you're in our space to begin with!

And it's spelled "wheeze."

Jeebus.


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[Sean Renaud]

Generally speaking they do do stupid shit.

If you are young and unemployed it's fairly certain you are also poverty stricken. How do you get out of poverty? You get a fucking job. Jobs instill responsibility, provide a legitimate income, and helps the individual develop the skills necessary to get an even better job. But if there are no jobs, ie the economy is shit, and you're young and away from family you aren't getting any unemployment because you have no job history, maybe some minimal public assistance. But being young it's unlikely that you're spending your days sitting on the porch stoop.

So there's all sorts of things out there that an enterprising young man can do, deal crack, smack, meth, jack cars for the chop shop down the block, or run a string of bimbo's who are collecting WIC benefits.

Eventually you're going to get busted because you're young and the young behave stupidly, so do old people but not nearly so often. And so the cycle starts, in jail, out of jail and unemployed, back to jail again.

Being in poverty is NOT an excuse to turn to a life of crime. There are others ways out of poverty, but a shit economy makes it all the harder to take the path that will lead to a place in civil society.

Ishmael

While I think you're incredibly pessismistic here (and I highly suspect in most neighborhoods it's the poor teens who have jobs. The teens of families who can afford to keep them in school and then in college do so. They don't do anything as stupid as get a job when an education is vastly superior for many (not all) but many of them.

Over all your making the case that being poor sucks and you do what you have o do to get money. Which anybody could tell you. In the long term we need better job training, more opportunity and in the short run we need to extend unemployment. There is a lot more work that needs to be done in those areas. As Bill explains below. We're gonna pay one way or the other. It's simply a matter of whether we'd prefer to invest in their schools and their safety so they get in less trouble later or if we want to invest in their incarceration later. We don't get the choice NOT to pay however.

That is obvious but I think it is a bit old school. I wonder how they even get the number. It really is a number that can be used in so many different ways and to suit different needs especially when you compare races. I bet it changes more drastically when social economic groups are compared.

The cycle starts way before that. It starts when the dad leaves the home or is never there and there are few if any role models. Kids grow up hungry, develop poor learning habits, and no one can help them at home. They move into puberty with no role models, they fall behind in school, they act out because the world around them is not as great as the world on TV. They don't read well enough to keep up and they don't write well either. Their stuff gets taken by bigger kids, they get smacked around if they try to fight back. Their old brother's best friend is shot and the Aunt ODs. Are you getting the picture?

Who is going to help them. Either way we pay.

Lets look at 5th grade reading scores. I be you see the same numbers. Just saying.

This is pretty much spot on though I think the tv comment is just pulled out of thin air.

Having raised two teen boys and coached 1,000s more. Bored teens do stupid shit. There are studies all over the place about brain development and judgement. These studies do not delineate between races or social economic backgrounds. They all conclude teens do stupid things and need to be kept busy with something.

That is the main reason I was wondering about the 20-30 range.

Bored people do stupid shit and yes there are lots of studies on brain development. Within the context of the situation however dumb shit that isn't criminal doesn't count. If they are skateboarding down hill, writing raps, building toy trains, break dancing, or learning to code on the internet they aren't going to jail or hurting people.