Made GLOR-yus summer by this...

[twelveoone]

the goddamn ghost of meter again, for you Bronze, by probably a better writer, and certainly much, much, better than I a mere popular one
said with a sneer on word popular inferred on me by a former moderator who also pointed out "I was full of shit"
If I am not mistaken, this is supposed to be blank verse, which is alleged to be iambic pentameter, it appears 1/3 could be construed as strict iambic pentameter, note the line by line in this link:

http://www.bardweb.net/content/readings/richard3/lines.html

This probably means 2/3 is not quite...
Now if anyone cares to you can find various and quite different readings of this on youtube

 

[butters]

popularity is not a contest worth winning

by me

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Since he's not welcome in Sochi here Gandalf is just for you 1201.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Since he's not welcome in Sochi here Gandalf is just for you 1201.

saved that to watch some more thank you

 

[bronzeage]

I've always has a small amount of wonder when I read a review or analysis which plainly consumed more time and energy than it's subject.

I can imagine Will sitting at his desk, clucking out, "Ta da, ta da, ta da, ta ta, da. Fuck."

I am grateful for this informative bit, "Sun is a pun in this line, playing upon the word son," because God knows, I never would have gotten that one.

 

[Angeline]

I've always has a small amount of wonder when I read a review or analysis which plainly consumed more time and energy than it's subject.

I can imagine Will sitting at his desk, clucking out, "Ta da, ta da, ta da, ta ta, da. Fuck."

I am grateful for this informative bit, "Sun is a pun in this line, playing upon the word son," because God knows, I never would have gotten that one.

There was a parody play called Richard Deterred about Nixon that was pretty funny. Also the version in the movie The Goodbye Girl is hilarious.

My favorite is Looking for Richard, a documentary Pacino did that cuts between actual scenes from the play (with Pacino and Kevin Spacey and a great cast) and Pacino walking around New York, asking people, "Ya like Shakespeare? Ya wanna see Richard the Third?" Hey, a few said yes.

The thing to me about iambs or any stress pattern that is relevant for now is not that you need to follow some metric from hundreds of years ago (though you could and so what?), but that if you know how it sounds, you can use it to effect the sound of whatever line you are writing. Will everyone read it the same way? No. But no two people read a line of poetry exactly the same, anyway. Still, the effect of a sound in turn affects the pace of a line and that is an interesting thing to manipulate.

 

[bronzeage]

There was a parody play called Richard Deterred about Nixon that was pretty funny. Also the version in the movie The Goodbye Girl is hilarious.

My favorite is Looking for Richard, a documentary Pacino did that cuts between actual scenes from the play (with Pacino and Kevin Spacey and a great cast) and Pacino walking around New York, asking people, "Ya like Shakespeare? Ya wanna see Richard the Third?" Hey, a few said yes.

The thing to me about iambs or any stress pattern that is relevant for now is not that you need to follow some metric from hundreds of years ago (though you could and so what?), but that if you know how it sounds, you can use it to effect the sound of whatever line you are writing. Will everyone read it the same way? No. But no two people read a line of poetry exactly the same, anyway. Still, the effect of a sound in turn affects the pace of a line and that is an interesting thing to manipulate.

Many years ago I took a folder of poems to poetry reading and when it was my turn, I started with a few of my tanka quartets. I was halfway though the second tanka when I realized it sounded as if I was just talking. No one knows or cares whether a line has five syllables or seven.

It's the same with enjambment. Read it aloud and who can tell if it's two short lines one long one?

When I recited Latin, iambic was important. It seemed easier because the words can be rearranged in almost any order and still make sense, but I suspect Roman poets could change the stress on the syllables and not change the meaning of the words, either. In any case it seemed an easy pronunciation guide, which was important because we believed we spoke as the Romans really spoke. When a BBC drama English schoolboy says MAY-tah and PAY-tah, instead of mah-TARE and pah-tare, I chuckle quietly to myself.

I think the best anti-Shakespeare is Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqfFHLck1o

 

[twelveoone]

Since he's not welcome in Sochi here Gandalf is just for you 1201.

if you find spacey let me know

Sochi?
Krasnodar Krai?

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

if you find spacey let me know

Sochi?
Krasnodar Krai?

Ask and..... Kevin Spacey

 

[Angeline]

Ask and..... Kevin Spacey

Damn you're fast. I was gonna do that. Actually I was gonna do this.

 

[twelveoone]

Ask and..... Kevin Spacey

christopher walken?
arnold schwarzenegger?
chuck norris?

kidding, found spacey, but just snippets to get you to buy the tickets

Jean-Claude Van Damme? R3 doing splits?

 

[twelveoone]

Many years ago I took a folder of poems to poetry reading and when it was my turn, I started with a few of my tanka quartets. I was halfway though the second tanka when I realized it sounded as if I was just talking. No one knows or cares whether a line has five syllables or seven.

It's the same with enjambment. Read it aloud and who can tell if it's two short lines one long one?

When I recited Latin, iambic was important. It seemed easier because the words can be rearranged in almost any order and still make sense, but I suspect Roman poets could change the stress on the syllables and not change the meaning of the words, either. In any case it seemed an easy pronunciation guide, which was important because we believed we spoke as the Romans really spoke. When a BBC drama English schoolboy says MAY-tah and PAY-tah, instead of mah-TARE and pah-tare, I chuckle quietly to myself.

I think the best anti-Shakespeare is Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqfFHLck1o

enjambment is primarily sight, often there is a slight pause at the end of the line, would be rather natural for most speakers, unless you commaed the hell out of the line.


Roman poets used...
Syllabic verse

The metre system was adopted because Britain was adopting...and when it was it it was primarily South England.

Point was it has to be there unambiguous (again these guys knew what they were doing, by giving a leeway in reading) in both ends, written and read, and most often it isn't. Only one poet was dumb enough to do it, and damn I forget his name, which isn't so bad as damn pret near everybody else did too.

 

[butters]

i thought this enjambement rocked but no-one noticed it :typical:

this is the thread
for those who feel like fakes
who unroll their prose dressed as poe
try
to join the gaps
line to line
muddle through
sublime

 

[twelveoone]

this is the thread
for those who feel like fakes
who unroll their prose dressed as poe
try
to join the gaps
line to line
muddle through
sublime

now there you go again, well at least no spankies

 

[butters]

it's all about richard.

well, richard and poe.


*zipslips*

 

[twelveoone]

it's all about richard.

well, richard and poe.


*zipslips*

it's always about richard and poe.

 

[butters]

*nods*