"...And I hope that in the months to come,

[SeaDaddy1]

you will keep an open mind and evaluate it based not on the political attacks but on what it does or doesn’t do to improve people’s lives. - Sincerely, Barack Obama.”

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HJ.70453509662&pid=15.1

That's Obama's hand written response to a school teacher criticizing his Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare)​

Most of the following is copy and paste:

What it does and doesn’t do.

DOES DO:
1. Causes people to lose their healthcare and replace it with one that cost double in price or higher.

2. Limit and/or reduces the medical care per-person.
• Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!
• Sec. 123, Pg. 30,- THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding what treatments and benefits you get.
• Sec. 142, Pg. 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
• Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.
• Sec. 203, Pg. 85, Line 7 - Specifications of benefit levels for plans means that the government will define your HC plan and has the ability to ration your health care!
• Sec. 205, Pg. 102, Lines 12-18 - Medicaid-eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No freedom to choose.
• Sec. 1121, Pg. 239, Lines 14-24 - The government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.

3. Obama will have the government to:
• Sec. 163, Pg. 58-59 beginning at line 5 - Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID health care card will be issued!
• Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care.)
• Sec. 1151, Pg. 280 - The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions (incentives for hospital to not treat and release).
• Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 10-12 - “Advanced Care Consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans - from the government.
• Sec. 1233, Pg. 430, Lines 11-15 - The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life, according to preset methods (not individually decided).

4. DOES NOT DO:
Does NOT give any American the right to decide for themselves what they want.

What say you?

 

[RobDownSouth]

What say you?

Two words: Somalia Beckons.

 

[pointless]

i say shut up, johnny. it's thanksgiving, you mentally deficient creep.

 

[eyer]

What say you?

Lupus...

 

[TonyDeeDee]

I think you people who are knocking Obamacare need to also keep the following in mind, some of which I add in direct reaponse to SeaDaddy's criticisms.

Obamacare is primarily for people who had sub-standard or NO insurance before it passed. SOMETHING is better than nothing to these people, which include my two aunts and my sister: for years, they have had to go to emergency rooms for their healthcare and now have insurance for the first time. Who pays those inflated emergency room costs when my destitute family members can't? You do, if you pay taxes. The difference now is that THEY now pay premiums, which they didn't before; and YOU, the tax payer, pay less of the cost for their doctor office visits. You should be happy about that.

Second point, people who have GOOD insurance -- like me, through my employer -- are not adversely affected by Obamacare. My insurance didn't change, nor did that of millions of other hard working Americans fortunate enough to have employers who care.

Third, if the insurance industry, doctors, hospitals, and REPUBLICANS had simply allowed REAL universal health care -- which SHOULD be a RIGHT to every American, regardless of income, political party, locale, etc. -- we wouldn't have these problems with Obamacare now.

Health care should be a right to all. HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT FOR ALL. (Just in case you didn't hear me the first two times.) We, as Americans, should be helping anyone who wants to go into the medical profession to do so, creating an abundance of Doctors and Nurses, which would cause prices to drop -- because they would be government regulated IF necessary -- and create a healthier population of Americans, and this country could again before the greatest nation on Earth.

Now, concerning some of SeaDaddy's comment in the first post:

1. Causes people to lose their healthcare and replace it with one that cost double in price or higher.

Currently, Insurers cancel thousands of policies each year on the tiniest technicalities because they find themselves losing millions on patients with serious medical conditions. Obamacare stops that practice.

My friend who was diagnosed with cancer in her 40s lost her insurance a couple of months later because she hadn't reported that she had had a minor and totally treatable "female issue" in her teens earlier. They said she lied and cut her off. She's been without proper insurance for the past six or seven years and her current doctor says it is the reason she won't survive her disease.

... Limit and/or reduces the medical care per-person. ...YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!

Insurance companies already limit and ration health care, so what's new about that?

THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding what treatments and benefits you get... The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

That has been happening for decades, only it's been the insurance companies -- who profit from rationing -- who have been doing it.

...will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.

We already orovide health care for non-citizens, in our expensive emergency rooms. Now, just as with my aunts and sister above, they will be partially responsible for their debt. A little responsibility is better than no responsibilty. S!

The government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.

This, too, has been happening for years. Obamacare didn't cause this.

My battery is dead, or I would continue. Why don't you take a moment to look at all of the good things it is doing for people who had no or little health care to begin with, then look at all of the crappy shit that was going in that Obamacare either fixed or had nothing to do with.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

i say shut up, johnny. it's thanksgiving, you mentally deficient creep.

Lupus...

Don't worry. You girls don't have to pay for it until you're 26. Go back to gobbling each other turkeys.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think you people who are knocking Obamacare need to also keep the following in mind, some of which I add in direct reaponse to SeaDaddy's criticisms.

Obamacare is primarily for people who had sub-standard or NO insurance before it passed. SOMETHING is better than nothing to these people, which include my two aunts and my sister: for years, they have had to go to emergency rooms for their healthcare and now have insurance for the first time. Who pays those inflated emergency room costs when my destitute family members can't? You do, if you pay taxes. The difference now is that THEY now pay premiums, which they didn't before; and YOU, the tax payer, pay less of the cost for their doctor office visits. You should be happy about that.

Second point, people who have GOOD insurance -- like me, through my employer -- are not adversely affected by Obamacare. My insurance didn't change, nor did that of millions of other hard working Americans fortunate enough to have employers who care.

Third, if the insurance industry, doctors, hospitals, and REPUBLICANS had simply allowed REAL universal health care -- which SHOULD be a RIGHT to every American, regardless of income, political party, locale, etc. -- we wouldn't have these problems with Obamacare now.

Health care should be a right to all. HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT FOR ALL. (Just in case you didn't hear me the first two times.) We, as Americans, should be helping anyone who wants to go into the medical profession to do so, creating an abundance of Doctors and Nurses, which would cause prices to drop -- because they would be government regulated IF necessary -- and create a healthier population of Americans, and this country could again before the greatest nation on Earth.

Now, concerning some of SeaDaddy's comment in the first post:

Currently, Insurers cancel thousands of policies each year on the tiniest technicalities because they find themselves losing millions on patients with serious medical conditions. Obamacare stops that practice.

My friend who was diagnosed with cancer in her 40s lost her insurance a couple of months later because she hadn't reported that she had had a minor and totally treatable "female issue" in her teens earlier. They said she lied and cut her off. She's been without proper insurance for the past six or seven years and her current doctor says it is the reason she won't survive her disease.

Insurance companies already limit and ration health care, so what's new about that?

That has been happening for decades, only it's been the insurance companies -- who profit from rationing -- who have been doing it.

We already orovide health care for non-citizens, in our expensive emergency rooms. Now, just as with my aunts and sister above, they will be partially responsible for their debt. A little responsibility is better than no responsibilty. S!

This, too, has been happening for years. Obamacare didn't cause this.

My battery is dead, or I would continue. Why don't you take a moment to look at all of the good things it is doing for people who had no or little health care to begin with, then look at all of the crappy shit that was going in that Obamacare either fixed or had nothing to do with.

How bout this: Help out your sister and aunts. Then stop smoking and drinking and making babies and shooting your friends in the ass. No red meat, either.

 

[TonyDeeDee]

How bout this: Help out your sister and aunts. Then stop smoking and drinking and making babies and shooting your friends in the ass. No red meat, either.

Just the intelligent response I would have expected.

 

[eyer]

I think you people who are knocking Obamacare need to also keep the following in mind, some of which I add in direct reaponse to SeaDaddy's criticisms.

Obamacare is primarily for people who had sub-standard or NO insurance before it passed. SOMETHING is better than nothing to these people, which include my two aunts and my sister: for years, they have had to go to emergency rooms for their healthcare and now have insurance for the first time. Who pays those inflated emergency room costs when my destitute family members can't? You do, if you pay taxes. The difference now is that THEY now pay premiums, which they didn't before; and YOU, the tax payer, pay less of the cost for their doctor office visits. You should be happy about that.

Second point, people who have GOOD insurance -- like me, through my employer -- are not adversely affected by Obamacare. My insurance didn't change, nor did that of millions of other hard working Americans fortunate enough to have employers who care.

Third, if the insurance industry, doctors, hospitals, and REPUBLICANS had simply allowed REAL universal health care -- which SHOULD be a RIGHT to every American, regardless of income, political party, locale, etc. -- we wouldn't have these problems with Obamacare now.

Health care should be a right to all. HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT FOR ALL. (Just in case you didn't hear me the first two times.) We, as Americans, should be helping anyone who wants to go into the medical profession to do so, creating an abundance of Doctors and Nurses, which would cause prices to drop -- because they would be government regulated IF necessary -- and create a healthier population of Americans, and this country could again before the greatest nation on Earth.

Now, concerning some of SeaDaddy's comment in the first post:

Currently, Insurers cancel thousands of policies each year on the tiniest technicalities because they find themselves losing millions on patients with serious medical conditions. Obamacare stops that practice.

My friend who was diagnosed with cancer in her 40s lost her insurance a couple of months later because she hadn't reported that she had had a minor and totally treatable "female issue" in her teens earlier. They said she lied and cut her off. She's been without proper insurance for the past six or seven years and her current doctor says it is the reason she won't survive her disease.

Insurance companies already limit and ration health care, so what's new about that?

That has been happening for decades, only it's been the insurance companies -- who profit from rationing -- who have been doing it.

We already orovide health care for non-citizens, in our expensive emergency rooms. Now, just as with my aunts and sister above, they will be partially responsible for their debt. A little responsibility is better than no responsibilty. S!

This, too, has been happening for years. Obamacare didn't cause this.

My battery is dead, or I would continue. Why don't you take a moment to look at all of the good things it is doing for people who had no or little health care to begin with, then look at all of the crappy shit that was going in that Obamacare either fixed or had nothing to do with.

mercury14 called...

...he'd like to know if you're free to accompanying him to the bath house Saturday night?

 

[TonyDeeDee]

mercury14 called...

...he'd like to know if you're free to accompanying him to the bath house Saturday night?

I'm not sure who Mercury14 is, but I love that you keep bumping my text. Thank you.

by the way, still waiting for an intelligent response

 

[renard_ruse]

Who's Barack Obama?

 

[SeaDaddy1]

I think you people who are knocking Obamacare need to also keep the following in mind, some of which I add in direct reaponse to SeaDaddy's criticisms.

Obamacare is primarily for people who had sub-standard or NO insurance before it passed. SOMETHING is better than nothing to these people, which include my two aunts and my sister: for years, they have had to go to emergency rooms for their healthcare and now have insurance for the first time. Who pays those inflated emergency room costs when my destitute family members can't? You do, if you pay taxes. The difference now is that THEY now pay premiums, which they didn't before; and YOU, the tax payer, pay less of the cost for their doctor office visits. You should be happy about that.

Second point, people who have GOOD insurance -- like me, through my employer -- are not adversely affected by Obamacare. My insurance didn't change, nor did that of millions of other hard working Americans fortunate enough to have employers who care.

Third, if the insurance industry, doctors, hospitals, and REPUBLICANS had simply allowed REAL universal health care -- which SHOULD be a RIGHT to every American, regardless of income, political party, locale, etc. -- we wouldn't have these problems with Obamacare now.

Health care should be a right to all. HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT FOR ALL. (Just in case you didn't hear me the first two times.) We, as Americans, should be helping anyone who wants to go into the medical profession to do so, creating an abundance of Doctors and Nurses, which would cause prices to drop -- because they would be government regulated IF necessary -- and create a healthier population of Americans, and this country could again before the greatest nation on Earth.

Now, concerning some of SeaDaddy's comment in the first post:

Currently, Insurers cancel thousands of policies each year on the tiniest technicalities because they find themselves losing millions on patients with serious medical conditions. Obamacare stops that practice.

My friend who was diagnosed with cancer in her 40s lost her insurance a couple of months later because she hadn't reported that she had had a minor and totally treatable "female issue" in her teens earlier. They said she lied and cut her off. She's been without proper insurance for the past six or seven years and her current doctor says it is the reason she won't survive her disease.

Insurance companies already limit and ration health care, so what's new about that?

That has been happening for decades, only it's been the insurance companies -- who profit from rationing -- who have been doing it.

We already orovide health care for non-citizens, in our expensive emergency rooms. Now, just as with my aunts and sister above, they will be partially responsible for their debt. A little responsibility is better than no responsibilty. S!

This, too, has been happening for years. Obamacare didn't cause this.

My battery is dead, or I would continue. Why don't you take a moment to look at all of the good things it is doing for people who had no or little health care to begin with, then look at all of the crappy shit that was going in that Obamacare either fixed or had nothing to do with.

Sorry so long to reply. I go in/out and doing other things today.

Good points all Tony. These are the type responses I'm looking for. Opposing views. I have good insurance now, but not almost a year ago when I was deciding between what bills to pay or food.

But there's a lot of things I don't think taxpayers should foot the bill for, but there's a lot of hidden info and agendas here that haven't been addressed. Some employers are going to be paying more than they already do now and some will be faced w/going out of business and/or paying fines - and that has a dominoes effect all of its' own there which leads more unemployment. Then more people are fucked w/no jobs. Nor do I think it's fair for the gov't to have such access to our finances. We shouldn't have to pay for non-US citizens either. And w/unemployment and welfare the way it is now, what sense does it make to fine people that can't afford it? Companies could opt out and pay the fines. And a lot of those under 26 don't have parents to fall under parent's plans. There's too much uncertainty.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sorry so long to reply. I go in/out and doing other things today.

Good points all Tony. These are the type responses I'm looking for. Opposing views. I have good insurance now, but not almost a year ago when I was deciding between what bills to pay or food.

But there's a lot of things I don't think taxpayers should foot the bill for, but there's a lot of hidden info and agendas here that haven't been addressed. Some employers are going to be paying more than they already do now and some will be faced w/going out of business and/or paying fines - and that has a dominoes effect all of its' own there which leads more unemployment. Then more people are fucked w/no jobs. Nor do I think it's fair for the gov't to have such access to our finances. We shouldn't have to pay for non-US citizens either. And w/unemployment and welfare the way it is now, what sense does it make to fine people that can't afford it? Companies could opt out and pay the fines. And a lot of those under 26 don't have parents to fall under parent's plans. There's too much uncertainty.

There are things taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill for. Voluntary operations. We can define voluntary if you really like but that's about where we shouldn't find a way to make it happen.

Yes, some employers are going to be paying more and some may even go out of business but last I heard around 90% either already meet the minimum standards or have so few employees that they don't have to change a thing. If all of the remaining 10% go out of business we'll deal (but they won't) and we'll be better off for it.

Of course the government has access to your finances. That's part of living in a country silly. As for paying for non-citizens we currently don't really have a good alternative. Ithas been decided (for better or worse) in this country tha twe don't let people die. So I'd rather pay maintenaince care on my schedule than emergency care on the whim of reality. When we agree that heart attacks, cancer, pnemonia, and the like are personal issues we can revisit this but not until.

Most 26 year olds have parents. I don't know where you're pulling that BS and people without jobs don't have to pay the fine. There is a hardship clause. Any other silly arguments?

 

[1sickbastard]

you will keep an open mind and evaluate it based not on the political attacks but on what it does or doesn’t do to improve people’s lives. - Sincerely, Barack Obama.”

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HJ.70453509662&pid=15.1

That's Obama's hand written response to a school teacher criticizing his Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare)​

Most of the following is copy and paste:

What it does and doesn’t do.

DOES DO:
1. Causes people to lose their healthcare and replace it with one that cost double in price or higher.

2. Limit and/or reduces the medical care per-person.
• Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!
• Sec. 123, Pg. 30,- THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding what treatments and benefits you get.
• Sec. 142, Pg. 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
• Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.
• Sec. 203, Pg. 85, Line 7 - Specifications of benefit levels for plans means that the government will define your HC plan and has the ability to ration your health care!
• Sec. 205, Pg. 102, Lines 12-18 - Medicaid-eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No freedom to choose.
• Sec. 1121, Pg. 239, Lines 14-24 - The government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.

3. Obama will have the government to:
• Sec. 163, Pg. 58-59 beginning at line 5 - Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID health care card will be issued!
• Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care.)
• Sec. 1151, Pg. 280 - The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions (incentives for hospital to not treat and release).
• Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 10-12 - “Advanced Care Consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans - from the government.
• Sec. 1233, Pg. 430, Lines 11-15 - The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life, according to preset methods (not individually decided).

4. DOES NOT DO:
Does NOT give any American the right to decide for themselves what they want.

What say you?

The basic goal of getting all citizens access to basic health insurance was and still is necessary. From that standpoint, it's better than having done nothing.

That being said, it's a flawed piece of legislation that, so far, has been badly implemented. Worse, it's still just another piece-meal solution for our national health and health care issues.

 

[Wrong Element]

I think you people who are knocking Obamacare need to also keep the following in mind, some of which I add in direct reaponse to SeaDaddy's criticisms.

Obamacare is primarily for people who had sub-standard or NO insurance before it passed. SOMETHING is better than nothing to these people, which include my two aunts and my sister: for years, they have had to go to emergency rooms for their healthcare and now have insurance for the first time. Who pays those inflated emergency room costs when my destitute family members can't? You do, if you pay taxes. The difference now is that THEY now pay premiums, which they didn't before; and YOU, the tax payer, pay less of the cost for their doctor office visits. You should be happy about that.

Second point, people who have GOOD insurance -- like me, through my employer -- are not adversely affected by Obamacare. My insurance didn't change, nor did that of millions of other hard working Americans fortunate enough to have employers who care.

Third, if the insurance industry, doctors, hospitals, and REPUBLICANS had simply allowed REAL universal health care -- which SHOULD be a RIGHT to every American, regardless of income, political party, locale, etc. -- we wouldn't have these problems with Obamacare now.

Health care should be a right to all. HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT FOR ALL. (Just in case you didn't hear me the first two times.) We, as Americans, should be helping anyone who wants to go into the medical profession to do so, creating an abundance of Doctors and Nurses, which would cause prices to drop -- because they would be government regulated IF necessary -- and create a healthier population of Americans, and this country could again before the greatest nation on Earth.

Now, concerning some of SeaDaddy's comment in the first post:

Currently, Insurers cancel thousands of policies each year on the tiniest technicalities because they find themselves losing millions on patients with serious medical conditions. Obamacare stops that practice.

My friend who was diagnosed with cancer in her 40s lost her insurance a couple of months later because she hadn't reported that she had had a minor and totally treatable "female issue" in her teens earlier. They said she lied and cut her off. She's been without proper insurance for the past six or seven years and her current doctor says it is the reason she won't survive her disease.

Insurance companies already limit and ration health care, so what's new about that?

That has been happening for decades, only it's been the insurance companies -- who profit from rationing -- who have been doing it.

We already orovide health care for non-citizens, in our expensive emergency rooms. Now, just as with my aunts and sister above, they will be partially responsible for their debt. A little responsibility is better than no responsibilty. S!

This, too, has been happening for years. Obamacare didn't cause this.

My battery is dead, or I would continue. Why don't you take a moment to look at all of the good things it is doing for people who had no or little health care to begin with, then look at all of the crappy shit that was going in that Obamacare either fixed or had nothing to do with.

Every so often over the last few years, I've asked the anti-Obamacare posters here to please remind me when, in this country, we've ever had a situation where everybody received as much health care as they needed, and price was no object. Strangely, no one has ever been able to do that. Obama did not disrupt a health care paradise, and everyone who isn't a total mindless hack has to concede this.

Take all the hubbub about the cancellation letters insurance companies have been sending out. If all you do is watch the Fox News Channel, it may come as a surprise that insurance policies sometimes got cancelled prior to October 2013! The difference is that when these cancellations happened in the past, your options for obtaining new insurance were very slim or nonexistent -- and anything you could get was going to be a lot more expensive. The people getting those letters now are comparatively in much better shape, as many of them acknowledge when they get over the initial shock, and realize that they can go shopping and aren't tied into the latest ripoff their old insurer wants to talk them into.

This isn't to say the website hasn't been a gigantic fuckup, and Obama's chances of getting people to keep an open mind, like the guy he was responding to (a rude asshole as it turns out -- the President shouldn't have wasted his time on the jerk), depend on the powers that be getting that running to a satisfactory degree. But the website is not the program.

And posts like yours are a reminder that when people pretend to care about those who are "losing their insurance because of Obamacare," they're ignoring that an awful lot of people HAVE insurance now thanks to Obamacare. It's incumbent on the pro-repeal folks to have an answer that doesn't leave the newly insured up a creek all over again, or their effort is doomed to fail, no matter how bad the website is.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

There are things taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill for. Voluntary operations. We can define voluntary if you really like but that's about where we shouldn't find a way to make it happen.

Yes, some employers are going to be paying more and some may even go out of business but last I heard around 90% either already meet the minimum standards or have so few employees that they don't have to change a thing. If all of the remaining 10% go out of business we'll deal (but they won't) and we'll be better off for it.

Of course the government has access to your finances. That's part of living in a country silly. As for paying for non-citizens we currently don't really have a good alternative. Ithas been decided (for better or worse) in this country tha twe don't let people die. So I'd rather pay maintenaince care on my schedule than emergency care on the whim of reality. When we agree that heart attacks, cancer, pnemonia, and the like are personal issues we can revisit this but not until.

Most 26 year olds have parents. I don't know where you're pulling that BS and people without jobs don't have to pay the fine. There is a hardship clause. Any other silly arguments?

1st of all, I'm not going to bother pointing out you grossly misread and read into what I said. 2nd, in the future asswipe, drop the attitude I've told you about in the past and you'll get some decent answers from me. 3rd, you want to be a prick in any of my threads and act like some asinine know it all retard w/an equally clueless warped superiority complex, then go play w/pointless and eyore. Go read the ACA and come back to me with info instead of a smug, smartass response.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

i say shut up, johnny. it's thanksgiving, you mentally deficient creep.

Yeah, it is Thanksgiving. What the do you think people all around the country are talking about at the table? You have an identity crisis and see posters that aren't here. You should use Obamacare to see if you have dementia or some other mental disorder that causes your hallucinations.

 

[cjh]

1st of all, I'm not going to bother pointing out you grossly misread and read into what I said. 2nd, in the future asswipe, drop the attitude I've told you about in the past and you'll get some decent answers from me. 3rd, you want to be a prick in any of my threads and act like some asinine know it all retard w/an equally clueless warped superiority complex, then go play w/pointless and eyore. Go read the ACA and come back to me with info instead of a smug, smartass response.

You really are a dick.

At least Johnny was entertaining.

 

[John Doe]

Two words: Somalia Beckons.

New pornstar?

 

[SeaDaddy1]

You really are a dick.

At least Johnny was entertaining.

You're entitled to your opinion of me. And I agree about JRW's unorthodox methods to get what he wants. I wish I had his knack for it.

He's told me lots of times that "everybody wants the truth, but nobody wants to be honest about it. Figure out what makes them tick.." Maybe that's what I'm getting at w/Obamacare. Maybe that's why so many people are so upset about ACA.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You're entitled to your opinion of me. And I agree about JRW's unorthodox methods to get what he wants. I wish I had his knack for it.

He's told me lots of times that "everybody wants the truth, but nobody wants to be honest about it. Figure out what makes them tick.." Maybe that's what I'm getting at w/Obamacare. Maybe that's why so many people are so upset about ACA.

Most people upset about the ACA know that somehow, somewhere, money is being spent on undeserving minorities, money that would be better spent on proper white people.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

New pornstar?

Heh. I been trying to figure that one out too. Something I should know, but can't quite put my finger on it.

Most people upset about the ACA know that somehow, somewhere, money is being spent on undeserving minorities, money that would be better spent on proper white people.

Could be. I know that's the general opinion in my area.

 

[miles]

Heh. I been trying to figure that one out too. Something I should know, but can't quite put my finger on it.



Could be. I know that's the general opinion in my area.

You must live on fucking Uranus. Consider a move.

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm not sure who Mercury14 is, but I love that you keep bumping my text. Thank you.

by the way, still waiting for an intelligent response

Your boast that your health care insurance did not change will be a temporary boast (and unsatisfactory for the fallacy of being anecdotal and possibly not true for we lack the ability to investigate properly the testimonial claim as to either its veracity or scalability) because the truth is that as we wail about "substandard" and how great it will be to give others something, nothing can be given to them that has not been taken from someone else first (other that true, natural rights). That taking has a cost and that cost has been artificially defrayed in many instances designed to keep you from seeing a rate and premium increase until after you vote again. Many of the costs will be passed on to you and that is obviously by design (or incompetence,, but let us take the high road and assume and pray for the best) for then the insurance companies can continue to be demagogued as evil and the cry for universal government health care and the fantasy that it can provide dreams without further looting of the nation's Capital. This looting is tolerated and accepted in small homogenous "tribal" nations for everyone thinks alike, but in a large polyglot nation, it will create tensions and divisions as disparate groups band together to either loot or to attempt to protect what little they have left.

When it comes to this internecine struggling, you may find yourself with fewer allies than anticipated for many that your altruism seeks to bring right to are simply incorrigible reflections of the reality of human nature.

When under the pretext of fraternity, the legal code imposes mutual sacrifices on the citizens, human nature is not thereby abrogated. Everyone will then direct his efforts toward contributing little to, and taking much from, the common fund of sacrifices. Now, is it the most unfortunate who gains from this struggle? Certainly not, but rather the most influential and calculating.
Frédéric Bastiat