Republican Health Policy

[Ishmael]

I'm still waiting to hear how Obamacare ruined the greatest health care system ever. None of the spineless fucks on the right wing can come up with anything but "SOCIALISM EVIL RAWR!!!!".

I think it's because they are full of shit.

Let's start with this one.

Doc's not playing

While we have no national poll to go on, this is just an indication and quite possible the tip of the ice berg. As posted here and elsewhere, having insurance is NOT the same as having access. It's like having the money to have your shoes repaired but living in a town with no cobblers.

Ishmael

 

[about_average]

How does a doctor know if a patient signed up through a health exchange? Is there some sort of notation on the insurance policy and the doctor gets a copy of the patient's policy?

 

[Ishmael]

How does a doctor know if a patient signed up through a health exchange? Is there some sort of notation on the insurance policy and the doctor gets a copy of the patient's policy?

Most likely by the issuer and the policy number (a prefix or suffix). There is no need for the doctor to get a copy of the policy because the code will tell his staff all they need to know.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

How does a doctor know if a patient signed up through a health exchange? Is there some sort of notation on the insurance policy and the doctor gets a copy of the patient's policy?

Doctors are omniscient*, don't you know anything?

* except regarding pregnancy termination, then they must be guided every step of the way by a male white Republican legislator over 60.

 

[about_average]

Most likely by the issuer and the policy number (a prefix or suffix). There is no need for the doctor to get a copy of the policy because the code will tell his staff all they need to know.

What reason would a policy number indicate it was bought on an exchange, vs, say, walking in to a BCBS office and buying it, since they are just individual policies much like, in principle, they've offered for years?
Basically, is there any actual evidence they are going to be coded a certain way, or is it all speculation?

 

[jeninflorida]

Obamacare a perfect example as how fucked government is


Yet another welfare program to appease the obama slaves

 

[Ishmael]

What reason would a policy number indicate it was bought on an exchange, vs, say, walking in to a BCBS office and buying it, since they are just individual policies much like, in principle, they've offered for years?
Basically, is there any actual evidence they are going to be coded a certain way, or is it all speculation?

The code will tell all. If it was purchased on an exchange and the doctor isn't part of the program you probably aren't going to see the doctor. The code could be as simple as an A - Z prefix or suffix. Pull up the underwriters chart, scan down to the appropriate code, wallah, to treat or not to treat and how much the co-pay etc. is.

And they are ALL coded right now. Cigna's code is different from BCBS which is different from Aetna's etc. All of which underwrite different group and individual plans with different co-pays, limits, services covered, yadda yadda yadda.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

The code will tell all. If it was purchased on an exchange and the doctor isn't part of the program you probably aren't going to see the doctor. The code could be as simple as an A - Z prefix or suffix. Pull up the underwriters chart, scan down to the appropriate code, wallah, to treat or not to treat and how much the co-pay etc. is.

You need some serious tinfoil in your hat for the above to make sense.

 

[jeninflorida]

Washington post talks about how one writers plan jump up over 10k a year

Obamacare sucks except for those on welfare

 

[Ishmael]

For example, my plan is coded;

#######/xxxx-##

The first 7 numbers identify me as the insured, the 4 letters and 2 numbers after the slash identify the exact policy type and coverage. It's just that simple.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

For example, my plan is coded;

#######/xxxx-##

The first 7 numbers identify me as the insured, the 4 letters and 2 numbers after the slash identify the exact policy type and coverage. It's just that simple.

Ishmael

They keep your medical records where you can reach them at the home? Nurse is going to get in trouble.

 

[Ishmael]

Rob is either terminally stupid, or has never had health insurance. The insurer has issued me an ID card with those numbers on it to make it easier on the doctor's staff to pull up the right plan.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rob is either terminally stupid, or has never had health insurance. The insurer has issued me an ID card with those numbers on it to make it easier on the doctor's staff to pull up the right plan.

Ishmael

I've probably had private health insurance longer than you, old man.

I've never had treatment or coverage dictated by numbers on a chart. YMMV.

 

[about_average]

The code will tell all. If it was purchased on an exchange and the doctor isn't part of the program you probably aren't going to see the doctor. The code could be as simple as an A - Z prefix or suffix. Pull up the underwriters chart, scan down to the appropriate code, wallah, to treat or not to treat and how much the co-pay etc. is.

And they are ALL coded right now. Cigna's code is different from BCBS which is different from Aetna's etc. All of which underwrite different group and individual plans with different co-pays, limits, services covered, yadda yadda yadda.

I know how policy numbers work. You're missing or ignoring my question.
Obamacare doesn't define what insurance policies have to cover, only that all policies must meet a certain minimum standard. The only reason I can think of that an insurance company would have some sort of different code is to track where the policy was purchased, to see how many were bought through the exchange, but there would be other easier ways to know.

And again, where is it documented that insurance will be doing this coding to indicate the policies have been purchased via an exchange, vs some other way? Or is it speculation?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Let's start with this one.

Doc's not playing

While we have no national poll to go on, this is just an indication and quite possible the tip of the ice berg. As posted here and elsewhere, having insurance is NOT the same as having access. It's like having the money to have your shoes repaired but living in a town with no cobblers.

Ishmael

Let's start with the RW position is based upon the false premace that our HC system was

1) working worth a flying fuck

2) somehow cheaper? IDK where you guys get this pile of shit.

3) somehow free market....not even close you fucking morons.

4) and thus the greatest HC system in the world....your wrong it was not the best by any measure. It's actually quantifiably one of the WORST socialized HC systems among 1st world/westernized nations.

5) Americans didn't want HC reform or Socialized HC...they absolutely favor of both. You lost the vote when we quit letting the poor die in the streets...deal with it.

NOW let's talk about the doctors...market will handle those fuckers...they can start a private practice (and free market will win by popular vote of where the dollars are being spent), accept being gubbmint workers, or go do something else.

How does that destroy the imaginary ultimate HC system we never had? How is that any fucking different than business as usual? Oh the gubbmint is boning them instead of the crony insurance company for a zero sum of who gives a fuck ish.....

The only thing that happened here is the dem's fucked the republicans out of a whole lot of money by pissing in their crony capitalist post toasties with some crony capitalism of their own....and at the end of the day we are still paying 2 and a half times what UHC should cost at MSRP pricing, and both parties fucking LOVE IT!! The entire thing WAS criminal and it still is criminal...anyone saying otherwise is a either ignorant as fuck or a total liar/in partisan denial....there is no other way out of that.
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[jeninflorida]

Socialism socialisn...gb'ers need more welfare

 

[BotanyBoy]

Socialism socialisn...gb'ers need more welfare

Our HC has been socialized for a long time......why do you insist on the most expensive/broken way to provide it?

 

[CandiCame]

Careful, there's a big difference between uneducated (lack of schooling) and stupid.

And neither deserve to be strait up lied to just to scare them.

 

[CandiCame]

How does a doctor know if a patient signed up through a health exchange? Is there some sort of notation on the insurance policy and the doctor gets a copy of the patient's policy?

The billing department will know that the services are being paid for by a government agency rather than private insurance. The same doctors who don't accept ACA already don't accept things like medicare and medicaid.

 

[jeninflorida]

Our HC has been socialized for a long time......why do you insist on the most expensive/broken way to provide it?

Exactly get government out of HC and the system will be fixed!

 

[jeninflorida]

And neither deserve to be strait up lied to just to scare them.

U r a lazy idiot. No welfare 4 u

 

[about_average]

And neither deserve to be strait up lied to just to scare them.

Agree 100%

The billing department will know that the services are being paid for by a government agency rather than private insurance. The same doctors who don't accept ACA already don't accept things like medicare and medicaid.

ok, I guess I've completely misunderstood obamacare all this time.
I thought the payments to doctors would come from the insurance companies, not from the government (except for existing government programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, etc.).

 

[CandiCame]

Agree 100%

ok, I guess I've completely misunderstood obamacare all this time.
I thought the payments to doctors would come from the insurance companies, not from the government (except for existing government programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, etc.).

Obamacare is basically medicare for the young. That's all it is. In Ky, where I live, it's not even called Obamacare. You literally sign up for medicare. It's still called Medicare. States can set their own guidelines and everything it just has to meet the federal minimum.

 

[jeninflorida]

Obanacare....the new welfare



Funny how democrats are blasting obama yet the GBerz are high on the welfare

 

[about_average]

Obamacare is basically medicare for the young. That's all it is. In Ky, where I live, it's not even called Obamacare. You literally sign up for medicare. It's still called Medicare. States can set their own guidelines and everything it just has to meet the federal minimum.

I thought that was only if you were below a certain income level, otherwise you'd buy a policy from an insurance company and the policy had to meet certain minimum requirements for various price points, but otherwise they could offer what they wanted.