Obamacare = lower premiums, better quality of care, and lower healthcare costs

[RobDownSouth]

It is interesting how those who are conservative see it one way and the liberals see it another way.

Instead of just guessing how things will be, perhaps we can all just try and live it, do the best we can to deal with this new federally mandated tax/loss of individual freedom and see where we all are in a year from now.

There is nothing, at this point, that can be done about it. Perhaps at election time in 2014, the truth about this tax/loss of individual freedom will be widely known and the election results will show this!

People such polar opposite views on this and pretty much everything else in this country. There is not one thing that can be done to please everyone. I don't see any way of this country ever coming back together to become a great nation again. I believe we are at the beginning of the end......too much in-fighting to grow stronger.

America is getting stronger than ever, pushing aside people who believe that other people's children must suffer for their ideological purity and peculiar ideas about "individual freedom".

It's morning again in America and God willing, the beginning of the end of the Tea Party.

 

[landslider2000]

Ideas about the role of federal government are never pushed aside, nor should they be.

The problem with Obamacare was that it didn't spring from the will of the people, nor was it enacted with open and bipartisan input.

Instead, the bill was written in total secrecy by lobbyists, and it was rammed through in totally partisan fashion.

America has been dramatically weakened over the past decade and every person, from every partisan perspective, is aware of that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Ideas about the role of federal government are never pushed aside, nor should they be.

The problem with Obamacare was that it didn't spring from the will of the people, nor was it enacted with open and bipartisan input.

Instead, the bill was written in total secrecy by lobbyists, and it was rammed through in totally partisan fashion.

America has been dramatically weakened over the past decade and every person, from every partisan perspective, is aware of that.

Yes it did spring for the will of the people. Obama and the Democrats told us they were pushing for Health Care Reform and won, and won a Super Majority in both houses in 2008.

It wasn't written in total secrecy, it was written in the open. To the point that here on Literotica we were debating specific pages and paragraphs because it's easy to find the text of the document and was the entire time they were debating it. Sure, it was "rammed through" but that's basically because Republicans refused to get off their asses and help. It's just a shame Democrats didn't have the balls to ram harder.

No. America is not dramatically weaker, and we certainly aren't in the years since Obama took over. The only people who think we're weaker now are the weak minded.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Ideas about the role of federal government are never pushed aside, nor should they be.

The problem with Obamacare was that it didn't spring from the will of the people, nor was it enacted with open and bipartisan input.

Instead, the bill was written in total secrecy by lobbyists, and it was rammed through in totally partisan fashion.

America has been dramatically weakened over the past decade and every person, from every partisan perspective, is aware of that.

Ah yes, "bipartisan input".

President Obama tried for 8 months to get obstinate Republicans on board. Remember Max Baucus? Olympia Snowe?

The Republicans lectured the President on what "needed" to be in the legislation.

President Obama finally said, okay, if I give you everything...EVERYTHING....you ask for will you promise to vote in favor of the legislation?

They declined. Every single one of 'em.

Fuck them.
Fuck "bipartisanship".
And fuck you.

We won.
You lost.
Elections have consequences.
Seek counseling for your grief.

 

[julybaby04]

Ah yes, "bipartisan input".

President Obama tried for 8 months to get obstinate Republicans on board. Remember Max Baucus? Olympia Snowe?

The Republicans lectured the President on what "needed" to be in the legislation.

President Obama finally said, okay, if I give you everything...EVERYTHING....you ask for will you promise to vote in favor of the legislation?

They declined. Every single one of 'em.

Fuck them.
Fuck "bipartisanship".
And fuck you.

We won.
You lost.
Elections have consequences.
Seek counseling for your grief.

...actually, the country lost (as you will see down the road).

 

[Sean Renaud]

Far from it. The country won. It was a hard fought battle against people who's ideas are destructive to modern America but we won.

 

[RjThoughts]

...actually, the country lost (as you will see down the road).

Oh please!

Read "Green Eggs and Ham." The main protagonist is exactly who you and most GOP'ers and Tea Partiers are like: I don't like it, even though I've never tried it!

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Can we please stop quoting Green Eggs n Ham?! It's only been a day and I'm already bored to tears of it.

 

[koalabear]

I like all these "experts" on something that is not in effect yet. No one has mentioned the penalties for smokers, the poorest group of all.
Hint: penalties are not covered by subsidies.

 

[landslider2000]

In a democracy, every piece of huge social welfare legislation should be bipartisan in development.

That doesn't mean saying to the other party "We have one extra vote and plan to ram it through unless you cooperate."

One's favorite party will not always be in power.

Obamacare didn't spring from the will of the people, nor was it enacted with open and bipartisan input.

Instead, the bill was written in total secrecy by lobbyists, and it was rammed through in totally partisan fashion.

So Obamacare is viewed with suspicion, and properly so because there was no popular "buy in."


America has been dramatically weakened by excessive spending by Bush Jr and by Obama, not to mention a host of unwise decisions by both.

 

[julybaby04]

America is getting stronger than ever, pushing aside people who believe that other people's children must suffer for their ideological purity and peculiar ideas about "individual freedom".

It's morning again in America and God willing, the beginning of the end of the Tea Party.

I believe the AV you have is probably rather indicative of who you are. If America is "pushing people aside" then America will not grow stronger. If those who are liberal think that the opposition want children to suffer, then that shows exactly how little intelligence that actually have.

I believe it is the liberal party who has no problem killing children. I believe it is the liberal party who believes in not teaching children how to grow up and be self-sustaining, thereby forever being dependent on others. I believe it is the liberal party that teaches these children to believe that life has to be fair and if others have more than you then it is completely fine to just whine loud enough and someone will make a law to take it from them and give it to the child.

The liberal party teaches children jealousy, greed, lack of work ethic, the ridiculous idea of "fairness", and does for all of them a great disservice in that the take away from these children the great hope of the American Dream.

The liberal party has taken away the American Dream and replaced it with the American Hand-Out.

Hate on the Conservatives all you wish, but you should be on your knees thanking them as they are the ones who will be responsible for funding this American Hand-Out, until, of course, they have had enough and leave the liberals to wallow in their own self-interest, selfish desires, and self-destruction.

 

[julybaby04]

Oh please!

Read "Green Eggs and Ham." The main protagonist is exactly who you and most GOP'ers and Tea Partiers are like: I don't like it, even though I've never tried it!

....we shall all see!

I, on one hand, will be so very sad to watch this amazing country fall apart.....but on the other hand, will sit back and watch with popcorn in hand as you liberals try to figure out you will continue with all this mess after it implodes. That part will be very very fun!

 

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[RobDownSouth]

You miss the point, people are trying it, they are being harmed by it, and they don't like it.

By all means, show us the "harm".

You spent yesterday yelling about 27 year old self-employed healthy males making more than 400% of the federal poverty level being unable to get healthcare subsidies.....got anything else?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

The economic harm caused by Obamacare raining down on Americans in all segments of the economy is undeniable.

Undeniable and yet invisible to most Americans and touches only a very small portion of Americans.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The economic harm caused by Obamacare raining down on Americans in all segments of the economy is undeniable.

Its pointless to debate our pot-sotted liberals.

 

[Missys_boytoy]

Yes it did spring for the will of the people. Obama and the Democrats told us they were pushing for Health Care Reform and won, and won a Super Majority in both houses in 2008.

It wasn't written in total secrecy, it was written in the open. To the point that here on Literotica we were debating specific pages and paragraphs because it's easy to find the text of the document and was the entire time they were debating it. Sure, it was "rammed through" but that's basically because Republicans refused to get off their asses and help. It's just a shame Democrats didn't have the balls to ram harder.

No. America is not dramatically weaker, and we certainly aren't in the years since Obama took over. The only people who think we're weaker now are the weak minded.

The Republicans were locked out of the closed door meetings. Look it up. Republicans weren't needed and it was jammed up our collective asses via reconciliation.

 

[Liar]

In a democracy, every piece of huge social welfare legislation should be bipartisan in development.

It was bipartisan in development.

It was partisan in voting.

 

[RjThoughts]

The Republicans were locked out of the closed door meetings. Look it up. Republicans weren't needed and it was jammed up our collective asses via reconciliation.

if the Dems had their way, it would have been a Single-Payer system, which would have been better AND cheaper. No, the GOP has no one to blame but themselves.

They need to stop acting like spoiled teenagers and grow the fuck up!

 

[RobDownSouth]

I believe the AV you have is probably rather indicative of who you are. If America is "pushing people aside" then America will not grow stronger. If those who are liberal think that the opposition want children to suffer, then that shows exactly how little intelligence that actually have.

I believe it is the liberal party who has no problem killing children. I believe it is the liberal party who believes in not teaching children how to grow up and be self-sustaining, thereby forever being dependent on others. I believe it is the liberal party that teaches these children to believe that life has to be fair and if others have more than you then it is completely fine to just whine loud enough and someone will make a law to take it from them and give it to the child.

The liberal party teaches children jealousy, greed, lack of work ethic, the ridiculous idea of "fairness", and does for all of them a great disservice in that the take away from these children the great hope of the American Dream.

The liberal party has taken away the American Dream and replaced it with the American Hand-Out.

Hate on the Conservatives all you wish, but you should be on your knees thanking them as they are the ones who will be responsible for funding this American Hand-Out, until, of course, they have had enough and leave the liberals to wallow in their own self-interest, selfish desires, and self-destruction.

*grin*

The above rant illustrates exactly why liberals are winning.

The whackadoodle Right cannot articulate their vision for America. They know it will be rejected.

Instead, they choose to demonize their opposition. They want folks to hate like they themselves do.

(One suspects that Julybaby04 has a very good understanding of demons).

 

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[RobDownSouth]

The Republicans were locked out of the closed door meetings. Look it up. Republicans weren't needed and it was jammed up our collective asses via reconciliation.

Where it passed by majority vote.

What part of "majority rule in America" do you not understand?