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Bad Rob. The one on the bottom is either female or . . .I was totally about to say bitch here and now I can't finish my thought.
What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?
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She's hot.
Oh, vettebirther? Where are you? You've been up since at least 3:30am to answer the direct question.
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He's full of shit, just like always.
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U.S. disability rolls swell in a rough economy
Between 2000 and 2012, the number of people in Penobscot County receiving Social Security disability benefits skyrocketed, rising from 4,475 to 7,955 — or nearly one in 12 of the county’s adults between the ages of 18 and 64, according to Social Security statistics.
The fast expansion of disability here is part of a national trend that has seen the number of former workers receiving benefits soar from just over 5 million to 8.8 million between 2000 and 2012. An additional 2.1 million dependent children and spouses also receive benefits.
The crush of new recipients is putting unsustainable financial pressure on the program. Federal officials project that the program will exhaust its trust fund by 2016 — 20 years before the trust fund that supports Social Security’s old-age benefits is projected to run dry.
The growth of the disability rolls has accelerated since the recession hit in 2007. As the labor market tightened, workers with disabilities that employers previously accommodated on the job — painful hips, mental disorders, weak hearts — were often the first to go. Finding new work often proved difficult, causing many to turn to the disability rolls for support.
The migration of so many people from work to the disability rolls is raising concern among lawmakers in Congress that the program is being stretched beyond its original intent of providing a safety net for former workers whose medical problems make them unable to work.
Last week, the Government Accountability Office found that the program made $1.3 billion in potentially improper payments to people who had jobs when they were supposedly disabled. The allegedly improper payments represent less than 1 percent of disability payments.
While fraud remains a concern, policymakers say the program’s biggest vulnerability is the subjective criteria that create a large gray area for applicants. A worker with physical impairments that are difficult to document precisely, like a bad back, can tolerate the condition while on the job but claim it as a reason to go on disability if he falls out of work for a prolonged period.
Many recipients first go on unemployment, which can last a few months or even more than year. Disability, by contrast, can pay out benefits for decades. The vast majority of recipients never return to work.
“The disability program is increasingly becoming a long-term unemployment program,” said Richard Burkhauser, a Cornell University professor who co-wrote a book on disability policy and has testified before Congress about the program. “We see a lot of it now because of the effects of the recession.”
Between 2000 and 2012, the number of people in Penobscot County receiving Social Security disability benefits skyrocketed, rising from 4,475 to 7,955 — or nearly one in 12 of the county’s adults between the ages of 18 and 64, according to Social Security statistics.
The fast expansion of disability here is part of a national trend that has seen the number of former workers receiving benefits soar from just over 5 million to 8.8 million between 2000 and 2012. An additional 2.1 million dependent children and spouses also receive benefits.
The crush of new recipients is putting unsustainable financial pressure on the program. Federal officials project that the program will exhaust its trust fund by 2016 — 20 years before the trust fund that supports Social Security’s old-age benefits is projected to run dry.
The growth of the disability rolls has accelerated since the recession hit in 2007. As the labor market tightened, workers with disabilities that employers previously accommodated on the job — painful hips, mental disorders, weak hearts — were often the first to go. Finding new work often proved difficult, causing many to turn to the disability rolls for support.
The migration of so many people from work to the disability rolls is raising concern among lawmakers in Congress that the program is being stretched beyond its original intent of providing a safety net for former workers whose medical problems make them unable to work.
Last week, the Government Accountability Office found that the program made $1.3 billion in potentially improper payments to people who had jobs when they were supposedly disabled. The allegedly improper payments represent less than 1 percent of disability payments.
While fraud remains a concern, policymakers say the program’s biggest vulnerability is the subjective criteria that create a large gray area for applicants. A worker with physical impairments that are difficult to document precisely, like a bad back, can tolerate the condition while on the job but claim it as a reason to go on disability if he falls out of work for a prolonged period.
Many recipients first go on unemployment, which can last a few months or even more than year. Disability, by contrast, can pay out benefits for decades. The vast majority of recipients never return to work.
“The disability program is increasingly becoming a long-term unemployment program,” said Richard Burkhauser, a Cornell University professor who co-wrote a book on disability policy and has testified before Congress about the program. “We see a lot of it now because of the effects of the recession.”
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Looks like he couldn't deliver.
Quelle surprise.
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I just watched a Member of Congress (On ThisWeek) repeat the debunked and rated "Pants on Fire" lie about Buffet being against the Affordable Care Act.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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cry for the fool that you are
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So you like poorly informed legislators making decisions based on known false information, and repeating known false information in the national media?
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That's busybody, for sure.
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We all can agree that obama has fucked up the economy ... the ones getting richer are the 1% and the left wing welfare nuts
welfare, the new career path for the obama supporters
long live the cuckold, obama
welfare, the new career path for the obama supporters
long live the cuckold, obama
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No, we can't agree that Obama fucked up the economy because he didn't. He in fact repaired it. The 1% are getting richer and that's just reality, especially when people like Jen refuse to raise taxes on them or do anything to them at all. That's just what's going to happen. The welfare crowd is getting poorer, that's also normal but not desireable at all.
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That's what The Narrative™ is all about.
Just ask Vetteman. He doesn't care about facts, what matters is "the trooooooooooth"!
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he fucked it up
the ONLY reason we don't even have the USUAL bounce after a recession is OBAMA
and because he is BLACK
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Thank God for bank bailouts.
Actually thank Bush for the bailouts but yeah. If we hadn't done that we'd have the same problem only worse.
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The Worrisome:
HD sends 20K to the public insurance exchanges. WAG and Trader Joe's do the same. These join UPS in sending 10,000 spouses onto the public exchanges.
Keep your healthcare plan if you want? How? When you provide the incentive for companies to DUMP their healthcare plans thanks to surging costs, there is no insurance to keep. Of course anyone who has looked at the law before, or as Nancy Pelosi and most of Congress did, after it was passed, you know that is the plan, i.e. making it so costly that the only economic choice is to go on the public exchanges.
Nothing wrong with the healthcare bill, however.
Friday the House voted to defund the Affordable Care Act in the continuing resolution, one of the just two opportunities Congress has to impact spending (the other is the debt ceiling). Too costly, killing jobs, jacking up healthcare costs were some of the cited reasons.
Then at the White House carnival barker Carney said 'there is no data showing the economy is losing jobs because of the Affordable Care Act.'
No 'data' showing any jobs lost under the Affordable Care Act.
I guess that depends upon your definition of 'data.' Cleveland Clinics said today that it was cutting jobs BECAUSE of the cost of the act. DRI has said the same. Dozens of companies are on record saying this is the case. Indeed, the VERY ARGUMENT those seeking and receiving waivers from the Federal government on implementation is that if the Act applied to them they would have to cut jobs.
This goes into the category of hyper-technical language such as the old 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman.' Okay then, what is the definition of . . . you get the point.
Healthcare costs soaring when we know they can go lower.
If you think the Act is working even after the exemptions, the dumping of plans, etc., look at the costs: costs we spend on healthcare, including insurance, is now up to $9,000 per person, young or old. The President told us our average costs would be -$2500. He made a scrivener's error: that should have been +$2500.
Does it have to be this way? We erred in this country when we went from insurance to cover catastrophic events such as accidents and serious illness to insurance covering everything down to a sore throat. The mantra 'insurance will pay for it' jacked up the number of unnecessary tests and procedures. The fear of lawsuit added more.
What if insurance wasn't there to pay for every little sniffle? Then you would have to be a smarter patient. You wouldn't rush in when your kid had a cold or a sore throat likely from allergies. If strep was running in your school then you would have it checked but if not, use some common sense.
Look at Lasik eye surgery. It is not covered by most insurance as it is considered an elective choice versus glasses or contacts. Indeed many people don't have coverage for their vision correction needs. That add on is very expensive per dollar received. When Lasik was first introduced, costs easily exceeded $10,000. Costs have decline approximately 70%, however, while the technology has improved dramatically. With no insurance buffer to maintain higher prices, companies are forced to compete for business. Consumers are forced to do more research and homework, but by golly, they make better decisions. Voila.
Lasik prices down 70% as insurance doesn't cover it and companies have to, oh my, compete.
It can happen in healthcare in general. HSA's are great ways to insure for the big problems and cut costs. The Healthcare Act does all it can to make them unattractive, e.g. eliminating deductibility of non-prescription drugs and healthcare items. So what do the consumers do now? They get their doctors to write prescriptions for basic over the counter items. Senseless to have to do this, but where there is a regulation, there is a way around it. Unintended consequences, eh?
But when HSA's are allowed to work you get a smarter patient who discusses healthcare plans of action with the doctor, participates in the plan, and can actually negotiate better prices. That is precisely what my family does. You would be surprised the 'fat' that are in the prices quoted by doctors. It reminds me of buying an auto and negotiating down from the sticker price (or up from the dealer's cost). If you are informed, and you find it pays to be informed both in savings and in a better healthcare plan, it is a great and empowering thing.
Alas, try to tell that to our government that thinks we, the people of the most inventive and productive country on earth (at one time), are too stupid to understand healthcare when we virtually invented the technology revolution. Only a government could have that hubris.
HD sends 20K to the public insurance exchanges. WAG and Trader Joe's do the same. These join UPS in sending 10,000 spouses onto the public exchanges.
Keep your healthcare plan if you want? How? When you provide the incentive for companies to DUMP their healthcare plans thanks to surging costs, there is no insurance to keep. Of course anyone who has looked at the law before, or as Nancy Pelosi and most of Congress did, after it was passed, you know that is the plan, i.e. making it so costly that the only economic choice is to go on the public exchanges.
Nothing wrong with the healthcare bill, however.
Friday the House voted to defund the Affordable Care Act in the continuing resolution, one of the just two opportunities Congress has to impact spending (the other is the debt ceiling). Too costly, killing jobs, jacking up healthcare costs were some of the cited reasons.
Then at the White House carnival barker Carney said 'there is no data showing the economy is losing jobs because of the Affordable Care Act.'
No 'data' showing any jobs lost under the Affordable Care Act.
I guess that depends upon your definition of 'data.' Cleveland Clinics said today that it was cutting jobs BECAUSE of the cost of the act. DRI has said the same. Dozens of companies are on record saying this is the case. Indeed, the VERY ARGUMENT those seeking and receiving waivers from the Federal government on implementation is that if the Act applied to them they would have to cut jobs.
This goes into the category of hyper-technical language such as the old 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman.' Okay then, what is the definition of . . . you get the point.
Healthcare costs soaring when we know they can go lower.
If you think the Act is working even after the exemptions, the dumping of plans, etc., look at the costs: costs we spend on healthcare, including insurance, is now up to $9,000 per person, young or old. The President told us our average costs would be -$2500. He made a scrivener's error: that should have been +$2500.
Does it have to be this way? We erred in this country when we went from insurance to cover catastrophic events such as accidents and serious illness to insurance covering everything down to a sore throat. The mantra 'insurance will pay for it' jacked up the number of unnecessary tests and procedures. The fear of lawsuit added more.
What if insurance wasn't there to pay for every little sniffle? Then you would have to be a smarter patient. You wouldn't rush in when your kid had a cold or a sore throat likely from allergies. If strep was running in your school then you would have it checked but if not, use some common sense.
Look at Lasik eye surgery. It is not covered by most insurance as it is considered an elective choice versus glasses or contacts. Indeed many people don't have coverage for their vision correction needs. That add on is very expensive per dollar received. When Lasik was first introduced, costs easily exceeded $10,000. Costs have decline approximately 70%, however, while the technology has improved dramatically. With no insurance buffer to maintain higher prices, companies are forced to compete for business. Consumers are forced to do more research and homework, but by golly, they make better decisions. Voila.
Lasik prices down 70% as insurance doesn't cover it and companies have to, oh my, compete.
It can happen in healthcare in general. HSA's are great ways to insure for the big problems and cut costs. The Healthcare Act does all it can to make them unattractive, e.g. eliminating deductibility of non-prescription drugs and healthcare items. So what do the consumers do now? They get their doctors to write prescriptions for basic over the counter items. Senseless to have to do this, but where there is a regulation, there is a way around it. Unintended consequences, eh?
But when HSA's are allowed to work you get a smarter patient who discusses healthcare plans of action with the doctor, participates in the plan, and can actually negotiate better prices. That is precisely what my family does. You would be surprised the 'fat' that are in the prices quoted by doctors. It reminds me of buying an auto and negotiating down from the sticker price (or up from the dealer's cost). If you are informed, and you find it pays to be informed both in savings and in a better healthcare plan, it is a great and empowering thing.
Alas, try to tell that to our government that thinks we, the people of the most inventive and productive country on earth (at one time), are too stupid to understand healthcare when we virtually invented the technology revolution. Only a government could have that hubris.
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SLIT HER THROAT, shove a grenade up her cunt
UCSF Fundraiser Advocates Withholding Medical Care From Those Who Dare Oppose Obama
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUuJabHCYAAzc_d.png
Notice the creepy term she uses – “non-believers” – as though Obamacare is an article of faith. To Obama bots, doubtless, it is.
Ms. Handler, who works for UC at San Francisco, in Development and Communications And Social Media, has since scrubbed her social media profile, shutting down her Twitter, LinkedIn and other accounts.
But again, she forgets. Twitter is forever…
UCSF Fundraiser Advocates Withholding Medical Care From Those Who Dare Oppose Obama
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUuJabHCYAAzc_d.png
Notice the creepy term she uses – “non-believers” – as though Obamacare is an article of faith. To Obama bots, doubtless, it is.
Ms. Handler, who works for UC at San Francisco, in Development and Communications And Social Media, has since scrubbed her social media profile, shutting down her Twitter, LinkedIn and other accounts.
But again, she forgets. Twitter is forever…
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